Pinochet

>Overthrew a democratically elected government.
>Good

>Pinochet
>Anything but a cuck to the CIA and his hellspawn of a wife
lmao no

>Get's a 3rd of the votes and tricks the DC to side with him signing a treaty to not go apeshit
>Proceeds to go apeshit, breaking the treaty inmediatly
>"""Legitimately elected"""

The faggot used a false sense of patriotism to get more support.

>false sense of patriotism
What is this supposed to mean?

who /team allende/ here

>Allende was supposedly unconstitutional
>Therefore there is nothing wrong with overthrowing the entire government and instituting a military junta.

I'm not saying it was pretty, but it was necessary, because otherwise shit would have gone to shit(ier) than what the Junta did
If they didn't overthrow him Allende would have continued to shit everything up, resulting in an all out civil war

I believe Chile is doing well because of this very sort of thing, they seem to carry out political and economical revolutions rapidly and adaptate quickly to whatever hand they were dealt, first Allende which sided with the socialists states and was already allied with Cuba, which at the very least with such form of State, envisioned a very logical sounding form to carry out their centrally planned system (a literal computer).
Then Pinochet did something no other dictator did, he grabbed the Harvard taught students of Economy from their country and used them as his economic advisors and guides (and fucked up by not listening well enough). Not too many humans rights violators from third would countries get to step off the power almost intact. A dictator that was ruling with an iron fist for almost two decades.

It means any sense of patriotism that doesn't serves the interests of the political left.

>lol yeah guys dont worry allende was the bad guy im gonna save our country, he wanted to fuck chile up >:(
>burns thousends of books
>puts mise inside women vaginas
>sell everything to transnationals
>cucks everyone with the AFP system
>the army spends like millions on alcohol thanks to his law
>yeah lol i love Chile
i mean i understand economic liberalism was going to get soon or later but this guy and his buddys level of cucking just got out of hand

>It was necessary
It was not, if Allende sucks so bad then just vote him out next time. That's the great thing about democracy whether or not chimps like Pinochet have any respect for it.

>If they didn't overthrow him Allende would have continued to shit everything up, resulting in an all out civil war
With who exactly? The right wing elements of the army who would then go on to crush any opposition?

Because I'm quite positive exactly that happened.

Patriotism with no depth put into it.
Both the left and the right serve foreign countries before benefiting the nation they govern.

>I belive Chile is doing well
lol
you clearly dont live in here

Allende lied and tricked his way into power, and the DC are at fault aswell for being idiots
Also, because of the coup the Junta avoided the guerilla warfare that would have resulted from a civil war, because while yeah, the right would have wiped the floor the remnants of the officialist would have lingered, possibly killing inocents caught in between

It seems like some numbers on a Wikipedia page matter more than the lives of the common people.

Do you? Honest question, cause if you do what's the situation in Chile?

Congrats, this happens in every democratic country to ever exist and what people generally do is not vote for them next time. Throwing the toys out of the pram and shitting up the country even harder is usually a bad idea.

>Also, because of the coup the Junta avoided the guerilla warfare that would have resulted from a civil war,
You're right, he just skipped to the mass-murdering, human rights violating action without the inconvenient resistence bit.

Or you know, right wing military leadership could just have some respect for the democratic process and not chimpout when things don't go they way they'd like.

I agree with the whole, you know, the vale that the democratic process has and whatnot, but I disagree with letting the people that can't help themselves, the ones that need help the most, the ones that Allende claimed to be helping, to suffer the most because we "must respect the process"

What does that have to do with patriotism?
Patriotism never has depth, only nationalism is substantive.

Except real wages and employment fell under Pinochet. Although economic growth and exports grew this seems like Pinochet's reforms benefitted high-level business interests more than it did the working class.

Although to be fair it's difficult to find data on this to really make a conclusion having never been to Chile as near-everything on the topic either seems to be saying either "Neoliberalism is the devil and basically socialism rules" or "Chile's economy is a literal miracle from god".

>just have some respect for the democratic process
You're acting like Allende was blameless. He was on the path to turning the country into a dictatorship himself. Pinochet didn't step in out of nowhere - the Chilean congress asked him to.

That's why the opinion of Pinochet is so mixed among Chileans today. They don't hate him because he overthrew the government. They hate him because he "ruined a revolution" by staying in power afterwards and setting the groundwork for a lot of the issues that still plague Chile today.

Pinochet definition of helping was killing those people.
While allende's was giving milk to their kids that had nothing to eat.

Chile has always been a shitty inbetween point, never the statist paradise that leftist seek, neither the free market utopia the right tell the rest it is
Nowadays Chile is a money laundering scheme for the crooked politicians that use the past to sustain their lies to stay in power, nothing but the shadow of a past country, slowly deteriorating into a shithole
t. Chilean

>"Chile's economy is a literal miracle from god".

That miracle being nitrate and copper.

I smell marxism here

>He was on the path to turning the country into a dictatorship himself.
Okay. How is that?

The milk would eventually run out, and all that would be left would be silence, the ones in power fighting and the kids, the "Luchines" would be back at the start
Not saying the market Chile has now is any good (rather it's a fucking disaster) but if you think the system Allende tried to implement would have worked you are delussional
That being said, I have nothing but respect for Allende for, while being too optimistic (for lack of a better word), sticking to his guns

>The milk would eventually run out
If the milk "ran out" is because some people were hiding it in their basements along with other food.

>Pinochet only killed 3000 people

Communists aren't people.

So first off, Allende didn't win the popular vote in the election - he got the most votes, but it was only ~36%, and it was very close to the next runner up's percentage of the votes. He ended up being selected by Congress as the winner, but only because the next runner up - who was favored - dropped out.

Then you had a series of strikes that took place later in his presidency, where he called in the military to try to break it up. Meanwhile, the economy was collapsing, and the whole country was losing confidence in him. The Chilean Supreme Court unanimously denounced him for failing to uphold their resolutions, as a lot of what he was doing was violating the constitution - particularly employing the military to break up strikes. Finally, the Chilean Congress passed a resolution (with a 81-47 vote) calling for Allende to be ousted by the military. When Allende refused to step down, Pinochet stepped in and fulfilled the will of the people and government.

He actually killed a lot more but since the bodies havent been found they must be alive having fun in sweden :^]

>When Allende refused to step down, Pinochet stepped in and fulfilled the will of the people and government.
Wew don't go too far, lad.

I don't think becoming the dictator rather than ousting it was really the will of the people or the government.

He did nothing wrong.
Thats what happens when you try fight against the economic powerful ones.
He saw an opportunity to change things and he took it.

On the bright side, it's better than Bolivia. And Peru

The DC (democracia cristiana, political party) are the true cancer in post-Frei chilean history.
prove me wrong
brotip: you literally cant

Don't think anyone will argue that, rats jumping to whichever ships floats the best

Yes because killing one of the most famous musical artist, a 13 year old kid, and many other family members was great!

Politics as whole are a cancer now.

Pretty much.
t.Chilean
Who can save this country?
I aint voting for Piñera, son.

Do you actually think politics were ever not cancer?

He's right. Pinochet was asked and delegated by congress to step in.

Personally I love the meme. Free helicopter rides from Pinochet are way better then Siberian camping trips with Stalin.

I honestly have no idea, my dear weon

To oust Allende, not to crash the government with no survivors.

wena nido

The meme would be significantly better if it evolved in any way.

At present there's like 2 meme-pics and only one possible application of the saying and has been for months now. The meme is about as stagnant as Chile prior to Pinochet ironically.

Can you separate the coup and the dictatorship? If so, was the coup justifiable, or even more, needed?

The congress was a bunch of faggots (DC).
Allende wasnt even marxist ffs.
Actual marxists (MIR) didnt support him and were always getting in the way with their stupid agenda.

He was friendly to Castro, and Castro was friendly to him.

That was enough to make the CIA shit the bed.

Castro after his visit said he came back to Cuba more radical than ever, he didnt belive in what Allende was doing.
He came here for vacations only.
Tell the CIA to mind their own bussines next time, why do the states always feel the need to fuck everyone up?
Chile cant be more far away from them.

Pedro Aguirrez Cerda was pretty cool.

>He was on the path to turning the country into a dictatorship himself.
that would have been great

No Pinochet is literal garbage and a literal thief that siphoned the nation's wealth into secret off-shore accounts.
>Pinochet only killed 3000 people
Pinoshit apologists are literally retarded

marxist are retards that deny object quality of life improvements out of ideology, throwing them out of helicopters is a fair preventive measure similar to jailing pedophiles who own cp. The UN should hold another Nuremberg trail for their crimes against humanity then bane all communist and confiscate their wealth as reparations

Three thousand people is dead is a very minor body count in comparison to other dictators of the time such as Pol Pot.

In any country getting the most votes is the way to win the elections, the Chilean constitution included that way to pick the winner, and it wasn't an easy choice.

They used loopholes in chilean laws to do most of the big changes, like the nationalization of the copper reserves, that are fundamentally the main resource of the country.

Allende was goin gto call for a plebiscit that was suggested by members of the senate, this was the event that triggered the coup, they prevented the plebisct, that was for his own deposition.

There was never going to be gerrilla warfare, there wasn't enough guns in Chile as simple as that, this was painfully obvious for the lack of resistance.

This is very true, Chilean people is very orderly, and practical, Chilean goverments reflect this.

Fun fact, Allende was a free mason his speeches are legendary, if you have never listen to one of them

youtube.com/watch?v=garqIzNZvz8

Last speech during the attack to the house of goverment, before killing himself.

>And the calm metal instrument of my voice, will no longer reach you.

So?
Come here to Santiago and see the quality of life improvements yourself.
Pic related.

And that's why Pinochet's controversial. People are glad that he saved Chile, but they're mad that he proceeded to fuck things up in other ways.

From what I've heard from Chileans, most people supported the coup. What they didn't like was the dictatorship, both because of the general oppressiveness and the corruption.

The coup generally was justified - you had both the Chilean congress and Supreme Court pass resolutions condemning Allende, and Pinochet didn't step in until after he was asked to by congress. And the coup had plenty of popular support as well - Allende was dealing with massive protests for almost the entirety of the last year of his regime.

>While allende's was giving milk to their kids that had nothing to eat.
How,increasing the price of milk 20% a month due inflation and putting 85% tariffs so milk would even cost more?

As a Venezuelan, do the Chileans itt wish they had ended up like us instead?

>If the milk "ran out" is because some people were hiding it in their basements along with other food.
Or maybe because Allende put tariffs so high,that importing milk was nigh impossible.

>I claim to be a democrat.
>Fuck democracy lol I am doing nothing wrong other than starve you to death losers.
>Fucking golpists,they are not respeting democracy!!!!

Fucking congress,trying to respect representation. I mean Allende wasn't even that far from them,and he was only crashing the economy and breaking his oath. How dare them?

>killing a musician
He just would've OD'd anyway

> Pol Pot.
Also backed by Uncle Sam may I add.

There's already a song

youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o

Why don't you learn how to use PhotoShop and force it to evolve? Complaining about a lack of OC is weak.

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t. Noam

God, chileans are full of self pitty and just keep whinning and bitching about everyone. They literally don't compromise with anyone, is there even a political figure chileans as a whole like or even respect? Seems like you fuckers have nothing good to say about anyone.

m8, the coup was called by the two other branches of the government and had more popular support than Allende did.

People keel talking about how Chilean economic success is linked to it's natural resources, but the thing is: even to exploit natural resources in a way that benefits the country, you need stable political institutions and rational economic policies.

That was granted under the Pinochet regime by Jaime Guzman and the Chicago Boys.

Look at Venezuela for a counter-example. It has oil, the most valuable resource in the world, in it's largest reserves, and yet it's a complete clusterfuck in economic collapse. Chilean under Allende, with all it's copper, would be no different.

but...
>muh Project Cybersyn

Have you ever been in a room with 3000 people? It's a lot if people. 3000 is no joking matter, the guy was a straight up murderer

>comfy shack
>private garden
>satellite television

Yes, there is poverty in Chile, like any other country in the world. There are trailer parks in U.S. and Canada, and people living in shacks or net cafes even in Japan.

If you think that what you posted is particularly bad, you don't know anything about Latin America. Specially compared to countries that followed Allende-like policies until the bitter end.

naturalnews.com/051481_Venezuelan_government_food_shortage_socialist_economy.html

The US kills a shitload more every year. Is Obama a murderer? And the US has been involved in various scandals involving human rights violations (see Guantanamo and that military base in Iraq).

Many leaders ignore economists

This

Believing Chile is doing well because of economic policies and not there natural resources and geographical location, is pure autism.
If you want to see what neo-liberalism does to a non resource based economy look at northern englands growth and poverty.

Venezuelan here, thank god we're doing so well thanks to having the world's largest oil reserves then, socialist comrade.

Your problem is that you have a retard for leader.
Chavez >>> Maduro

>is there even a political figure chileans as a whole like or even respect?
our people have no memory
when i was in HS like 4 years ago i had classmates who didnt know who allende was until they were like 16-15

venezuela doesn't have a valuable resource at the moment, oil in fact is pretty cheap especially when the OPEC countries oversupply the demand as it is. But of course corrupt governments and an unproductive workforce will always ruin your economy.

That is what I was claiming.

The problem is that the price of oil was at historical heights with Chavez. Maduro just inherited a mess. Venezuela went from 50% of the exports being oil,to 90% in less than a decade with Chavez. When oil prices went down the country crashed. On the other hand is building new industries and diversifying the economy,fo example being the leader in absolute numbers of renewables of Latam,even beating Brazil.
>But muh Chomsky said that Chavez was a god.

>venezuela doesn't have a valuable resource at the moment
Gold,Diamonds,Bauxite,iron or aluminum are amongst the resources that Venezuela has. If the goverment is full of retards is another matter.

>Gold
Well I don't know about the ecological location of the mineral but there must be a reason on not to mine it due to the ecosystem.

>Diamonds
I thought the diamond market was oversaturated and has corporations setting quotas on how much diamonds are being sold at once too rise prices.

>Iron
Setting up the infrastructure would be more expensive then letting india and china doing it

>Aluminum
Is expensive but its still on a market downturn as less aeroplanes are being created due to corporations renting them and longer lifespan.

I just named a few.
mapsofworld.com/venezuela/venezuela-mineral-map.html
Venezuela is rich as fuck in resources.

Well that is an issue with your state then if you can't get profitable resources.
I just wanted to give venezuela the benefit of the doubt as there must be a reason on why there not mining them.

>Is Obama a murderer?

Yeah.