Lmao this guy actually believes people didn't use fire arrows in the past. He thinks they were used to shoot at people...

Wrong.

It originates from professor Grant Frame

>Grant Frame, the current Graduate Group Chair, received his Ph.D. in Assyriology from the department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations at the University of Chicago, and his M.A and B.A. from the department of Near Eastern Studies at the University of Toronto. His area of specialization is the history and culture (economy, politics, religion, and society) of Mesopotamia in the first millennium BC and Akkadian language and literature. His books include Babylonia 689–627 B.C.: A Political History (Leiden, 1992); Rulers of Babylonia: From the Second Dynasty of Isin to the End of Assyrian Domination (1157–612 BC) (Toronto, 1995); and The Archive of Mušēzib-Marduk, Son of Kiribtu and Descendant of Sîn-nāṣir: A Landowner and Property Developer at Uruk in the Seventh Century BC (Dresden). He edited From the Upper Sea to the Lower Sea: Studies on the History of Assyria and Babylonia in Honour of A.K. Grayson(Leiden, 2004) and is co-editor of the forthcoming Tablet and Torah: Mesopotamia and the Biblical World: Papers in Honor of Dr. Barry L. Eichler(Bethesda, MD). He is currently preparing a volume editing approximately 170 letters from Babylonian officials to the Assyrian king Ashurbanipal for the Neo-Assyrian Text Corpus Project (Helsinki) and is director and editor-in-chief of the NEH-funded Royal Inscriptions of the Neo-Assyrian Period project, for which he is preparing a volume on the official inscriptions of Sargon II (721–705 BC).

Fear, but not much else, they were used to shoot into settlements mainly.

We also have texts telling us that sling stones used to be set alight to set roofs on fire and such. Same principle.

that seems pretty in line with the video nigga

He starts the video saying no one used fire arrows ever

Watch the full video, Lloyd literally says that they used them in sieges and naval battles to do exactly what you said.

What would be the point of shooting fire arrows at anything?
The extra weight would limit your effective range, they won't be burning when they get to the target, it takes more time to set up, its uncomfortable and inconvenient for the archer, its easier to see coming by its target, and in the end of the day, probably won't set fire to anything even under ideal circumstances.
Anyone who has actually been outside the basement knows that wooden structures don't combust and explode when a flame is placed on them for 10 seconds.

I am sure they were used at some point, because everything has been tried, but since they sucked they weren't used again.
Instead much bigger, larger bolts and darts, hurled by siege machines, so they can carry a bigger flame load further, were occasionally used.
Flaming spears even, thrown from horse back or close distance at fortified houses and such. But not arrows shot from bows, thats stupid.

Source: Battle: A Visual Journey Through 5,000 Years of Combat, by R. G. Grant.
A 360 page book with pictures taking up space which covers all of war, ever, in the history of mankind. As you can imagine, not a very good scientific work.
Examine his works here: amazon.com/R.G.-Grant/e/B000ARBIQ8/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
And feel free to look up academics getting mad at his nonsense.

Don't copy-paste shit.

IN "OPEN BATTLE", meaning in the field of battle, not in sieges or naval warfare. If he misphrased it then so what? He clarified later on.

That isn't the source it's referring to though :)

Your quote is from a McDonalds "history" book, written by a hack commercial "historian". It doesn't cite any actual sources. When it does, they don't contain the exact quote, or anything of the sort.

Please stop copy-pasting shit.

Also pre-heating cannonballs was a thing in naval warfare. It was not very time-efficient though so it was mostly used in either sieges or just the first volley

Lmao. Average lindy-haters.

>don't watch the video
>make up shit that Lindy hasn't said
>complain on Veeky Forums

OP you fucking retard. Next time watch the whole video and try to understand it.

You don't talk shit about god tier historians.

Does Lindy do nothing with his free time but LARP and post on Veeky Forums [spoiler]especially in Lindy threads[/spoiler]?

Dat filename

I wrote a response to Lindy's video.

bowvsmusket.com/2016/06/10/lindybeige-fire-arrows/

During the English civil war fire arrows were used by the Royalists to burn buildings in Lyme Regis.

Shut the fuck up lindy. Just because you don't have the intellect to make working fire arrows doesn't mean people in the past didnt. You got rocked by anow Assyriologist. Just fucking stop.

Spend 8 minutes attacking a straw man, le french suck lolololollol, 2 minutes talking about what people actually discuss.

Average lindy "debunk" video.

>What would be the point of shooting fire arrows at anything?
"Bow-men placed behind a Parapet, a stand of Pikes, or mannuple of Musquettiers, may showre down such incessant drops of fire, like Sodoms raine, upon an enemie, as will not onely annoy the Pikes, and route the Horse, but altogether disable the Musquettier"

"No enemy can so shelter himselfe in his approches, but that these fire-shafts may fall upon him. They will put to great trouble and hazard the Cannoniers that plye the Artillery on batteries, where bullets cannot hit them. they will serve to set on fire the enemies tents and cabening. And the blaze of them in the night will in all likelihood make such discovery, that Musquettiers standing ready to levell where they fall, may aime at the enemy as by day, & keep perdues, enginiers, workmen, and those that watch by night in such continuall awe, as will greatly hinder, if not wholly drive them from their watch and labour."

"Manie other, and indeed indeterminable are the uses that by conjecture may be drawne from such like arrowes shot out of the long-bowe, both by sea and land; in particular to deprive an enemy of the use of his sailes ata great distance, for the canvas will fire like tinder, and vanish by enforcement of the winde in sudden flame, if any arrow fasten in it, as among many some assuredly will do."

>The extra weight would limit your effective range,
The author of A New Invention of Shooting Fireshafts asserts that their maximum range was longer than the point blank range of a musket. In that period the point blank range of a musket was considered to be 160-200 yards.

>they won't be burning when they get to the target,
They would be if they were ignited by means of a slow-burning fuse, as are the ones described in Fireshafts.

>it takes more time to set up,
Only the time needed for the archer to take the match out of his belt, light the fuse, and return it to his belt.

>its uncomfortable and inconvenient for the archer,
"They are neate, portable, and so mannageable, that even children may make their sport with them".

>and in the end of the day, probably won't set fire to anything even under ideal circumstances.
A mixture of gunpowder, saltpeter, sulfur and camphor is not exactly your everyday candle flame.

kek

>lindy hateboner shitposting is minimal on Veeky Forums
>spandau video comes out
>daily hateboner shitposting threads

Wehraboos are trash

The Daily Mail must be really struggling for content these days.

Lindybeige is a researcher now apparently.

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3636014/Medieval-armies-DIDN-T-use-fire-arrows-Researchers-claims-not-practical-open-battle.html

Did you guys watch the video? He says exactly what you said; they weren't used against people but were used in sieges and naval battles to set structures alight.

That would imply anyone whining bothered to watch it all the way through and didn't hear something they disagreed with and instantly ran to tell Veeky Forums.

He has probably done some research work in his days