Anglo Saxons hail from modern day northwestern Germany and southwestern Denmark. They probably both originated in Denmark because the Franks set up shop in what is now the Netherlands after having been pressed out of northern Germany by the Saxons.
Kayden Lopez
They were Germanic.
David Howard
Also >Did they have connections to ancient Romans/Greeks? If they did, only through trade. The territory of Angles, Saxons and Jutes did not border the Roman empire directly, only some foederati.
Jacob Gomez
Where did the franks come from before that? Why don't modern day Anglos look like other germanics?
Joshua Collins
The Franks didn't really set up shop in what is now the Netherlands though, Frisia as it was then known only became part of the Frankish empire by the reign of Charles Martel.
Julian Brooks
Germanic admixture isn't 100%, in some areas it's quite low actually.
How genetically similar would those ancient Anglo Saxons be if you could compared them to the ancient roman/Greeks?
Liam Lopez
They were an ecclectic blend of Angles, Saxons, Jutes, and the odd Frisian from west germanic speaking lands in northern europe
Samuel Anderson
>because the Franks set up shop in what is now the Netherlands after having been pressed out of northern Germany by the Saxons. can I get some source on that? It sounds quite bullshity from a geographical standpoint
Easton Cox
Toxandria is in what's nowadays the Netherlands and Belgium
Nathaniel James
In the article it talks about re indigenous Britons. Do you know more about where they originated from?
Also, do you know what they mean by "roman Briton"?
Andrew Ross
We don't even know that for sure though, in terms of DNA they are the same so we can't really say which group was the majority. I believe Bede is the only source and he lived 200 years after the migrations.
Jackson Sanchez
Because not all Germanics look the same, there were still Celts leftover, the Saxons probably mixed with the local Romano-Celtic brits or whoever was left when the Rome collapsed, and Britain would be invaded by both the Danes and Normans afterward.
Jayden Perez
They meant the native Brittonic/celtic population and by roman Briton they meant the same group after the Romans had left.
David Cox
>Romano-Celtic brits
Who were they?
Jonathan Russell
So they weren't genetically roman, just temporarily under roman control?
Parker Murphy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripuarian_Franks I think it's in here somewhere. Toxandra as pointed out would have been a better term, I agree. Batavians for instance were absorbed into the Frankish confederation. Franks are a confederation of tribes from what is now a chunk of western germany (I believe Tencteren, Sugambriërs, Cherusken and Chatten were a few) These were known as Ripuarian Franks
Caleb Ward
Romanized celts living in Britain
Jeremiah Hernandez
Allow me to show you a map.
Julian Kelly
The people left over when Rome left.
Wyatt Moore
Not entirely sure which answer this is regarding, sorry I'm autistic, please elaborate.
Juan Foster
Oh sorry I meant that the Franks didn't really set up shop in the Netherlands until two or three hundred years after the migration Era.
>When we compared our data with an additional 177 samples collected in Friesland and Norway, we found that the Central English and Frisian samples were statistically indistinguishable. Using novel population genetic models that incorporate both mass migration and continuous gene flow, we conclude that these striking patterns are best explained by a substantial migration of Anglo-Saxon Y chromosomes into Central England (contributing 50%–100% to the gene pool at that time) but not into North Wales.
Jackson Brown
Thank you
Easton Hill
>How genetically similar would those ancient Anglo Saxons be if you could compared them to the ancient roman/Greeks We're talking PIE immigration were the last genetic event that contributed genes to both
Ian Jackson
But the Franks in Toxandria were Salians, not Ripurians. in the article the Saxon attack on Ripurian lands was in the mid 500's while Saxon settlement of England started in the 400's somewhere
Nathan Turner
Roman wasn't anymore of a genetic grouping than "American" is
It was a way of life and nationality
Ayden Nguyen
Ah, I see, thank you for pointing that out. I believe to have read somewhere that our country had been mostly underwate for about two ages prior to the migration period. Which leads me to ask, are our modern day Frisians of the same stock as those the Romans encountered around say the 1st century?
Evan Richardson
I thought at one point there was an "original" roman people. And as time went on it become more of a culture
James Adams
Well 7th century Magna Frisia covers areas inhabited by the Frisii, Batavians and Cananefates and while the area did indeed flood it's possible a small group remained. To be honest no one really knows.
Wyatt Davis
>while the area did indeed flood it's possible a small group remained.
That would make sense, Frisians had been living on terps for quite a while.
Thanks for answering my question, I'm a major Frisio-Franco-Saxoboo and wish this time-period would have been taught more in schools.
Bentley Robinson
Well the thing is that we don't really know enough about it to make bold claims, recent DNA research managed to put a dent in many things previously held true.
Carson Myers
Ah, nineteenth century historical memery debunked by science?
Evan Garcia
You mean Latin?
Leo Martinez
How?
Rome started out as a confederation of latin outcasts and "screw you guys, I'll make my own city with blackjack and hookers" tier italic tribes and etruscans
Landon Evans
The Saxons settled in the agriculturally productive south east then extended their rule over much of England, various sources such as this show Anglo-Saxons are not 100% Angle and Saxon but mostly Briton. After generations the Britons adopted the Germanic system which had proved to be the way to get ahead in life. In the past no one cared about "muh heritage".
Ryder Gray
Seconding this
Christopher Kelly
>Who were they before they were called Anglo Saxons? angles and saxons
Connor Barnes
>In the past no one cared about "muh heritage".
Actually Anglo-Saxons retained their wooden buildings in england despite being exposed to more advanced/sedentary buildings, and set up a caste system with celts in the lower castes, so they most certainly did care about "muh heritage"
Tyler Wood
quite high compared to romans
Zachary Phillips
>Why don't modern day Anglos look like other germanics? i really doubt you'd be able to tell whether someone was english or german just by looking at them.
Grayson Perez
I can easily..any european can. They don't look anything alike
Ayden Brown
bullshit you can. i bet you're an ameriburger who thinks all germans look like nazi propaganda posters. maybe for the occasional person who is extremely stereotypically british or extremely stereotypically german you'd be able to place their origin, but for the vast majority of the population i don't believe you'd be able to tell the difference.
Blake Morgan
Not him, but a lot end I mean a lot of Brits have a facial structure that's pretty rare on the continent. It's a particular kind of horse-faced
Henry Bailey
I live in Amsterdam, you can pick out Brits with ease.
John Hughes
horse face is a germanic trait. native britons have more of a round face.
maybe from how they dress you could.
Leo Reyes
Nah they're about a feet shorter, got round heads and seem to bald ever faster than us. Bonus points for floppy wide ears.
Jeremiah Davis
>horse face is a germanic trait Yet no continental looks like Rob Brydon
Justin Bennett
long, thin skulls are stereotypically germanic trait. the archetypal nordic has a long, thin face.
Andrew Bennett
no, I can tell the difference, and no they don't look like german propaganda posters. British people have very distinctive looks. When I see the vast majority of british people's faces there's no way they could be german.
If anything, you're an american if you can't easily tell apart a german from a brit. They seriously do not look anything alike. The eyes are the giveaway for telling european nationalities
Aaron Cook
mark which you think are german and which you think are english.
William Phillips
They're all german
Nolan Hall
That's a Saxon face. Scandians or Nordics have squared heads and jawlines. Saxons and west Germanics (the real master race) have long thin faces.