Consider: what if Western degeneracy

is not caused by cultural marxism at all? What if they are both products of capitalism? Should true conservatives become anti-capitalist?

Trotsky thought that socialism would be a system of permanent revolution. But it turned out that socialism is a stagnant system and capitalism is in fact the system of permanent revolution. Marx' phrase "all that is solid melts into air" is actually refering to capitalism. Phenomena such as cultural marxism, SJWism, transgenderism, etc., could never have happened in the so called communist bloc. Only a market economy allows for individualist, harmful, deviant and anti-social behaviors to dictate policy, because the market dictates policy and the market follows social trends irrespective of their social and moral value.

Discuss.

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> harmful, deviant and anti-social behaviors

And who are you to classify any behavior you don't like as such?

We can talk about cultural degeneracy not being a product of cultural Marxism, but you second question derails your first question.

Capitalism refers to an economy with free markets. It does not at all address what the government of a capitalist society looks like. This is the basis of the mass misconception that capitalism is "greed." People imagine that companies would be able to swindle, cheat, and lie in a capitalist economy; but they don't realize that government was never referred to by the term "capitalism."

Cultural marxism sounds like it doesn't refer to government either. And where it doesn't utilize government, conservatives would have no problem with it. If conservatives weren't being hypocritical, they would have no problems with abortions, drug use/sale/production, gay marriage, nudity everywhere, transgender, or zoophilia. In the future, pedophilia might be included on that list.

It's because they are hypocrites that they have problems with those things, that's important for you to know. It should tell you that there is something very worthwhile to learn from the geniuses of conservatism.

Just as I know there is something worthwhile in reading the geniuses of socialism/communism.

Cultural marxism does not exist, all the problems you are refering to here is the product of the hyperindividualist nature of Liberalism. So in the short sense, yes it is capatalism's fault and every true nationalist should standn against giving their nation's resources and pride up for the highest bidder in this consumerist global freemarket

Check out Gramsci, m8

It's all about that cultural hegemony, capitalism as an ever adaptable movement can easily absorb and co-opt any would be revolutionaires. Black nationalists, gays, feminists, everyone who would have a reason to be distrustful of the capitalist system just becomes another demographic to be marketed too.

This is best represented in modern feminism. The 2nd wave was quite self-aware that sexualization of women was a product of the capitalist system, but then the it got co-opted by capitalist marketing. Now feminism is an elaborate scam to sell porn and other ways the capitalist system turns people into commodities via sex.

>"degeneracy is bad"

Why do people think this? This "degeneracy" only comes about in a society that is highly developed and prosperous and where the leisurely time exists for it to exist. It's a good thing. If you love your "wholesomeness" so much, then why don't you move to Afghanistan to be a subsistence farmer where the conditions are harsh, any differing opinion/point of view gets you killed, and so on?

Ugh this whorephobia is like wow

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The problem with pedophilia is that it could potentially harm someone who is not fully aware of what they are consenting to even IF they consent. Even if one accepts that those other actions are fine because informed people have given their consent (questionable in zoophilia but I'll assume it for sake of argument) a child can not give informed consent to sex for the same reason they can't give informed consent to take out a home loan.

Who is "giving" anything?

Do you mean the government subsidizing other countries and backing them up with military / money?

That's not giving. That's stealing from the people of the U.S. and it's also a case of improper government, from a conservative viewpoint.

Are the businesses "giving" to other countries by buying their products or exporting labor from within our borders to their countries? No, they are just pursuing profits.

If people elsewhere do a better job or the same job for less money, that means that people here **should have better things to do** than to continue doing what others do more efficiently! The idea that we "lose jobs" is a tool of those who are trying to get the leverage of the common ignorant people in order to implement laws and regulations which benefit them, and them only, be cause they actually understand the implications of those laws and regulations.

This guy gets it. You can talk about capitalism vs cultural marxism all you want, but the truth is, "degeneracy" ("decadent" and "abnormal" behavior) has always been commonplace among people wealthy enough to lead comfortable lives, while people who fear for their lives quickly turn reactionary/conversative/etc.

slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/04/a-thrivesurvive-theory-of-the-political-spectrum/

Not him but giving people the complete freedom of choice, probably

>degeneracy

I want this meme to die and I want it to die now.

>This "degeneracy" only comes about in a society that is highly developed and prosperous and where the leisurely time exists for it to exist. It's a good thing.
>it's a good thing because it comes about as a result of leisure which is good!
ye fám, massively overweight populations are a good thing
weak and effeminate men are a good thing to have in a population
actively encouraging mental illness and self-mutilation and FUNDING these things, is a good thing
ye fám

>Now feminism is an elaborate scam to sell porn and other ways the capitalist system turns people into commodities via sex.

fucking shitlord slutshamer

dont control women's sexuality and you don't control their bodies!

fuck you!

Not him but your argument against it is begging the question
>t-these things are bad because d-degeneracy!

Rule 3!

>Blacks
>Gays
>Feminists

These are people who ought to support capitalism

>who's to say it's not bad!!!! Open you eyes everything is relative!!!!

Shut up

That's why I said "in the future" and not "currently."

Children cannot consent because they don't understand the difference between themselves and the adult. They are slaves, whereas the adult is relatively free. When the adult tries to have sex with the child, he is taking advantage of a "temporary insanity" in the child wherein the child believes herself to be *a peer* of the adult. The act of sex would definitely harm the child, whose temporary condition of "believing she is what she's not" is now strongly enforced and engraved in her.

In a society that doesn't enslave children, pedophilia would not be commonly seen as immoral. It is from the conservative viewpoint that I understand children to be enslaved, just as I see the Federal Reserve to enslave us monetarily in a sense. Or in the sense that government enslaves people by making drugs illegal.

I am using slavery in a specific and relative sense.

Sex-positive casual feminists are right wing liberals pretending to be feminists.

>"degeneracy is bad because muh Iron Age sky daddy says so"

Sex-negative hardcore feminists are basically atheist(?) nuns.

absolutely no one likes you

OK

allowing people to cut off parts of their body, discouraging investigations into their mental condition and calling anyone who wishes to get them help is a bad thing
when Liberalism reaches such a stage that people are allowed the freedom to do themselves such harm it is bad for the individual and bad for the state
massively overweight population is quite self-explanatory
weak and effeminate men are a problem as a population of softies will allow themselves to be usurped by another, stronger breed of men
it has happend throughout history and nothing is stopping it from happening once again

bronze age you retarded kraut/slav

They shouldn't. Feminists in particular ought to hate the capitalist system. Capitalism is the framework for the maintainance of oppression and privilege over the proletariat.

Of course you have Uncle Toms and bourgeois feminists among the proletariat but there's a nice anti-capitalist term for these people, class traitors.

>and calling anyone who wishes to get them help "transphobic" is a bad thing

They're not against sex, they're just against sex in so far as it's a means of exploition such as in porn and prostitution.

>massively overweight populations
Cheap, carbon-rich food with an increasingly forced sedentary life style is degeneracy?
>weak and effeminate men are a good thing to have in a population
We don't live in the paleolithic era mate, physical strength is pretty much meaningless for most people.
Besides, it doesn't affect you in any way if you don't want to fuck men.
>actively encouraging mental illness and self-mutilation and FUNDING these things, is a good thing
What are you even talking about here?

Go back to libcuck land, leftypolfag

>leftypol
>liberals
They may be brocialists but they're far from liberal.

>Cheap, carbon-rich food with an increasingly forced sedentary life style is degeneracy?
yes
biological degeneracy as well as social, people today are dying at an alarmingly frequent rate through coronary heart failure and such things

>physical strength is pretty much meaningless for most people.
do you not use your legs to walk?
do you not lift things with your arms?
plenty of people who can't do the most rudimentary physical activities and it is a shame

>What are you even talking about here?
I will forever hold a grudge against moot for making that fucking hive, you'd think he'd learn that containment boards don't work after he made /pol/
/mlp/ is relatively successful though

The point about degeneracy is that it makes the good society unsustainable. Imagine if every person decided not to have children to focus on their own hedonistic pleasures. The "developed and prosperous society" which their ancestors had built for them over centuries would be gone in a generation.


You have fallen for the old Marxist meme that human behaviour is a product of the economic system. It is not, human nature is constant.

Communist states have had less degeneracy (debatable) because the government has far greater control over society and prohibits degeneracy.
Capitalist societies sometimes have laissez-faire attitudes towards social behaviours, as we do now. But at other points in history they have been much more strict, as in 19th century Britain.

>human nature is constant

Cultural Marxism results from Capitalism.

Weak and effeminate men are able to walk and lift things.

>You have fallen for the old Marxist meme that human behaviour is a product of the economic system. It is not, human nature is constant.
Every sociologist disagrees with you

walk how far?
lift what things?
what's your definition of an effeminate man may I ask?

>ownership of the means of production affects your genes

>Gods not real, therefore everyone should have the same philosophy and morals

Fuck off

>genes control everything
Take a rudimentary biology class

>human nature is genetic

is this a post or did you have a seizure

(Economical) systems are more than who owns the means.

I don't think it's a product of any specific ideology I think it is an innate and eventual state for any sufficiently wealthy society. Larges sections of society become lazy and hedonistic and they start to think that nothing is worth fighting over because they have everything they want. What they fail to realize is how many people don't have those things and would be willing to kill them to get their things.

That's how Marxists define it.

The problem is that there is nothing stopping the "reactionary/conservative" people who fear for their lives (or just generally have crappy lives) from killing all the decadent people in order to take their shit or impose their beliefs onto them.

Most of the time the actual surgeries involved in gender reassignment take months or years of required therapy
>weak and effeminate men
Aside from cuck memes you don't have much of a point here

all actual therapy comes post-transition when the suicide rate for these people sky-rockets
the therapy beforehand generally is as a result of their feeling suicidal, not to talk them out of it in any way but to find out why they feel the way they do

>everything is biology

Children are to young and inexperienced to make informed decisions. If given the opportunity they would make pour decisions which would cause them and society harm. For that reason they are not allowed to drive, get married, take out a loan or have sex. It has nothing to do with the child viewing themselves as a "peer" to an adult or what they believe themselves to be.

Source?

fair enough about the effeminate men btw, wasn't aware so many men are comfortable not being masculine but aight whatever floats your boat

wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

>A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population.

worrying thing is Hollywood's endorsement of this sickness honestly, it encourages more impressionable young people to do it

I don't have a wsj account, does the article compare pre and post transition rates?

>Cheap, carbon-rich food with an increasingly forced sedentary life style is degeneracy?

None of those things are forced onto people. Claiming that they are is essentially just claiming to be a slave to your own impulses.

>physical strength is pretty much meaningless for most people.

Physically fit people are healthier, happier and less prone to mental illness. Many eastern traditions use physical activity as means to spiritual tranquility.

>eastern traditions

Economics have shit to do with it.

>After WW2 and denazification propaganda, you're not allowed to be racist or homophobic or whatever anymore or you're literally the reincarnation of Hitler
>Christianity preaches that everyone is equal
>Universal suffrage means everyone in the state is equal no matter their background
>Decline of religion which was responsible for enforcing most social taboos, but leaves core Christian values such as equality for all intact
>No major wars since WW2 + comfy living = everyone in the West has gone soft

Basically I think it's caused by Christian theology, democracy, lack of war and pacifist policies since WW2, and high quality of life

it suddenly isn't letting me view it either, and I certainly ain't signing up for that shit

>McHugh, the University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Medical School, writes this week that the very idea of transgender identities — the acceptance that a person’s gender identity might not be congruent with the sex they were assigned at birth — is a “meme,” a myth that has spread across society. He frames it as the idea “that one’s biological sex is a choice” and that gender is “more of a disposition or feeling about yourself than a fact of nature.”
this should convince you tb h

>literally 'gender is a social construct'

Are you denying that exercise has significant mental benefits?

>Op wants a legit answer
>Anyone who disagrees ITT with the op statement of "degeneracy" will be called an SJW
You might as well just yell at a wall at that point because doing this accomplishes just as much.