Right wingers always fail

>South
The North was right wing too
>Nazi's
Fair point
>Rhodesia
Overwhelming odds, but fair point
>Italy
Continued to be ruled by a right wing party for a long time, almost exclusively by the CHRISTIAN DEMOCRACY party, also minding the fact Fascism did not really get destroyed.

Rhodesia did turn into shit once it became Zimbabwe.

The problem is that the right-wing fail, but when the left wins, they still hold some power and prevent the left from enacting all their plans. That happened in the South where the Ku Klux Klan ended the Reconstruction, it happened in Germany and Italy where the old conservative establishment was allowed to return to the government under the Allied occupied authorities as a way to counter Soviet influence, etc

That's bad because major fuckups like Zimbabwe and Venezuela, where the left are allowed to do everything they want and fuck up big time is the best way to discredit the left and achieve victory.

That's why as an anti-communist I will vote for Hillary Clinton in November.

So you essentially want everything to remain in a perpetual standoff between the left and the right with the left having the edge but not total control because then it fucks up and becomes to powerful for its own good.

I wish trump will win because he would end the american world policing power which already got weaker under obongo (chine at the sea, russian infulence, ukraine etc)

It always fails because it's rooted in logic and nationalism, whereas liberalism is rooted in emotion and unilateralism

Smhtbhimo

>Is america fascist or natsoc
>Intimate relationship with corporations and the government to the the point where in some levels they're virtually indistinguishable

Check

>Does it have rampant racism in the political system
>Yes

Check

>Usa and nazis etc are not on the same level

You're right they're not, the Nazis were never as bad as the US. Despite all the racism in their political ideology they were relatively tame compared to the Americans, as the latter the racism occurred on a social level.

fascism, does not mean what you think it means
>the nazis were never as bad as the US
shut th efuck up

Read a fucking book faggot or at least do a simple wikipedia search before you start pulling shit out of your ass.

>tfw in all likelihood there will be a major communist revolution in your lifetime.

I'm very particularly concerned with the American-Korean-Japanese alliance (because I'm moving to Korea soon) and despite the fact I'm generally conservative and extremely anti-communist (born in Venezuela, came over when I was 6 so I despise what they've done with the place) I'm also voting for Hillary because I want a warmonger who will actually oppose China and North Korea and keep our bases in the region, while Trump has been literally endorsed by north Korea.

reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S

>starting an argument with ad hominem

Yea, and the Soviets did so much better

Oh look it's the local autistic commietard that's so obsessed with /pol/ that you can pinpoint his posts with his terrible English and autistic filenames.

>You're right they're not, the Nazis were never as bad as the US. Despite all the racism in their political ideology they were relatively tame compared to the Americans, as the latter the racism occurred on a social level.

Or at least that would be true, were it not for that whole holocaust thing and the whole starting the single most destructive conflict in all of recorded history.

...

Ops reasoning
>politiks=warfare
>hurr durr i'm a faggot

>Or at least that would be true, were it not for that whole holocaust thing and the whole starting the single most destructive conflict in all of recorded history.

WWII would have happened one way or another, it was inevitable and all the political minds of the era knew this.

As for the holocaust, virtually every country had their pogroms and genocides but the Nazis are particularly vilified because they targeted the ones who ran the media in the West, the Jews.

Despite this they were very progressive socially due to the influence of fascist ideology which relaxed Nazi views on racial superiority and enforcement of traditional gender roles.

>That's why as an anti-communist I will vote for Hillary Clinton in November.
Hillary is a capitalist, just like her husband 'Ol Bill. TPP was in part created by her. Trump wants to pull military out of South Korea. He was endorsed by the North.

>Obama pivot to Asia
>weakening policing power
lol

>WWII was inevitable
Have you ever taken a history class? Step 0 is to not assume that history was inevitable. If you take the premise that Germany doesn't invade, it's a major stretch to assume it'll happen anyway.

>media in the West, the Jews
Oh oops. --> /pol/

>anyone who doesn't conform to my absurd love for right wing failures in history is just that one communist on Veeky Forums
Not even OP but Veeky Forums is a left wing board kiddo. Get used to it or get out ;^)

Yes, but communism totally works
Right?

Karl Marx himself said that before the communist revolution, there should be the most possible advancement of capitalist relations. That's the purpose of laissez-faire economic policies, to increase inequality so that poor people will support communism again.

Milton Friedman was the most influential communist activist of the 20th century because he understood this.

>Left wing
Pls suck some more Muslim dicks.
If you would understand what happened in history, you would be a konservative.

oh, so even though regulated capitalism is doing okay, it's still leading to towards communism.

Why couldn't I see that before?

>If you interpreted history like I did to fit my black and white right wing ideology you would be a conservative
Ftfy

>Have you ever taken a history class? Step 0 is to not assume that history was inevitable. If you take the premise that Germany doesn't invade, it's a major stretch to assume it'll happen anyway.

Do you even understand the context of WWII and why it occurred? Otherwise you wouldn't disagree with the statement.

>Oh oops. --> /pol/
>Implying Jews don't heavily influence media

Despite the deflecting bullshit that's been fed to the public over the years this is ultimately true.

> right doesn't work because nazis!
> left doesn't work because Soviets!
It's not about left or right not working. It's about extremist ideologies not working.

>I wish trump will win
>obongo

Opinion discarded, cut the meme crap, learn to use proper grammar, and then people might take you seriously.

Islam is the most powerful religion in the world, and the most right wing religion in the world.

When we started up this shit board and they told us /pol/posting was going to kill it, I didn't expect it to be this part of /pol/

Fuck you all

>getting triggered

Move along stormfag, back to your safe space.

Libertarians left and right always seem to win.

Authoritarian right and authoritarian left sides always loose.

>No wonder modern "nazis" pol retards are edgy teens and autists mamchildren/uneducated white trash (like tha main follower base of trumpie)

>talking about /pol/ on Veeky Forums
yeah nah, you're a shitcunt

Libertarian ideology is just an extremist version of liberal ideas and is also completely stupid as it is basically just anarchism mixed with extreme capitalism.

Calling Spain and Chile successful states.

Chile had a thriving transportation industry

Libertarianism!= Anarchocapitalism thank you
It's minarchist

>be black American
>be forced to wear watermelon badge on chest for identification
>be blamed for Great Depression
>be rounded up and shipped to labor camp
>get fed shit food and forced to perform back-breaking labor
>get shot by KKK guards
>have body dumped in a mass grave
>have all of your money stolen by FDR
>repeat several thousand times until there are almost no blacks left

Oh wait that didn't happen because America was not as bad as Nazi Germany.

10/1 it's a fascist revolution desu

Not mutually exclusive.

As a matter of fact a fascist revolution just makes a communist revolution more likely.

Are you dumb or something?

Spain is pretty shit tier by western-European standards and would be infinitely better off had Franco never chimped out to begin with.

Chile on the other hand is just a shithole.

Lets not forget that Pinochet shat his pants when a judge called him.

Spain is the 5th european economy, and its one of the most influential ones.
What is more, Spain is in a economic crisis, and even with that, is one of the countries with more % of economic growing in Europe, having a 20% of unemployed.

And they were practically isolated until 1975.

Chile is the best southamerican country to live, and if I remember well, the only considered developed by international standards

At least I recognise that Franco was a retard and the II Republic should have won the war.

Spain's far from poor. But relative to the rest of the countries in the region (bar Portugal) it's doing pretty shit.

Not to mention the fact it was isolated is literally all Franco's fault.

>Chile is the best southamerican country to live, and if I remember well, the only considered developed by international standards
Both Chile and Argentina rank highly in terms of HDI. And in terms of quality of life it is outranked by both Argentina and Uruguay. Uruguay also has much lower poverty than Chile.

In terms of being a nice place to live Chile is sub-par compared to the rest of the region.

Sick b8 dood

>What is more, Spain is in a economic crisis, and even with that, is one of the countries with more % of economic growing in Europ
Of course, it fall more than others.

this

>if it's not racist or fascist then it's not right wing

pol fag is triggered, sorry for invading your safe space, go cry on your contaiment board

Boohoo mooslims are destroying the world white genocide jews and etcetc

This board is full of SJW antifas or what ? Is it a response to /pol/ ?

Here's a shocking fact for you OP, nobody wins forever.
In 500 years time some retard on a meme site will be making a thread about how "leftists" alwasy fail and point to the collapse of the West under its "progressive" era of thinking.

/leftypol/ is basically just migrating to Veeky Forums since it's somewhat related to politics and the mods tend to ban threads that are too politically incorrect. That's why whenever there's a three about Fascism it's garuntee dot get over a 100 posts.

Leftards are already failing.

Oh great, now beta leftards will ruin this funny board...

Fuck politics, it's a board about fucking history

The whole of Veeky Forums is responding to the /pol/ boogeyman by acting sjw now. They've even started to rewrite Veeky Forums's history to make it seem like it was "originally a liberal PC website."

Literally saw someone the other day claim that old /b/ used to be liberal and only raided in the name of social justice I shit you not.

Spain was not fascist, Franco suppressed the revolutionary policy of the Falange.

Chile was a military dictatorship deticated to Neoliberalism

Don't have to be fascist to be right wing.

>klu klux klan ended reconstruction
You mean the election of Rutherford B Hayes?

Israel is BTFO Palestina and every muslim country. Rhodesia had 1:20 D:K ratio,and the axis where heavily outnumbered,like the South

The left plans bring catastrofic results. We just have an awesome experiment to prove it.
>Inb4 muh specific brand of socialism has never been tried

Fascism is the belief that the highest form of politics is the state and that everything must be subordinated to the state and nation, which is described as being "organic" in nature. It demands that individuals must do whatever it takes to ensure that the state lives on and thrives, up to and including the loss of their own individual identities. The only room for the individual in the fascist state is for the leader, who is supposed to be like a platonic "philosopher king," with absolute power. It is, in short, a very nationalistic and collectivistic ideology.

So, lets review your premises with that in mind.
>Intimate relationship between corporations and the government
Close, but not quite. You are confusing a mixed economy with the very intense state capitalism embraced by fascism. While the state in fascism is absolute with little room for individual freedom and actions, individual profit is tolerated if it is done to the benefit of the state and will be cracked down on if any corporate entity gains enough power to challenge it; it is an unequal relationship with which the private interests go along with out of self preservation.
In the United States, with a mixed economy, you may find similar elements with state capitalism, that is the state directing and working with private interest for the "common good," but the whole "rule of law" concept you may have heard about places limits on it, and while some may want, and are working towards, closer actions and entanglement between the public and private fields of industry, there are others that are working against them due to having an open society, something that fascism, by design, lacks.
cont.

Looks like the horse shoe theory is playing out in front of our eyes ITT

Right wingers are getting trolled by lefties, and are acting like a pack of SJWs.

What a surprise.

Extremists always fail, no matter if right or left wing, in the end only moderate gouvernments work out and dont fuck up the country

>and would be infinitely better off had Franco never chimped out to begin with.
Yeah,Stalin's puppets would have done such a great job,like they did in Poland

Part Two
>Rampant racism in the political system
Normally I would dismiss this as a tumblr level hysteria but I will address it. Broadly speaking there are two types of fascism, which I will refer to as Germanic Fascism (NAZI party, Hungary) and Mediterranean Fascism (Italy, Spain, United Kingdom). Were there to be a political left-right spectrum with nothing but brands of fascism on it, Mediterranean Fascism will be towards the left and Germanic towards the right. One of the key differences is the attitude towards race. Mussolini, while later adopting the Germanic stance to placate Hitler, saw the Germanic view that race is a concrete thing that is to be preserved as something very ridiculous and stupid. He saw race as something more of a feeling that one has and identify with as opposed to it "being in the blood." Indeed, there were Jews, for example, in key posts in the Italian Fascist Government. So, even if we accept the belief that you set forth that the United States government is racist, we cannot accept the conclusion that results in fascism due to the Mediterranean-Germanic split within the ideology.
>Usa and nazis etc are not on the same level
Your assertion is so ridiculous it is beneath my contempt.

Thanks user, this has great potential as copypasta

Franco should have resigned the real growth was after he was gone and the isolation ended

>"muh specific brand of socialism has never been tried"

You know why I really hate that argument? Because corruption, and the consequential deviance from what socialism really is, is THE BIGGEST FLAW of socialism.

If socialism worked flawlessly in practice, it would be a pretty solid 8/10 platform for a nation. However, giving way too much power to a centralized clique always ends up with corruption.

Corruption is the biggest flaw of socialism, and the "true socialism/communism was never tried" argument is ironic to its core.

The real growth came when EU money flood the country. Dont try to fool anyone. The same is happening with Poland.

>implying lib countries don't come together to fuck over any right wing country

and that is bad why?

In addition, I concede that capitalistic/democratic nations become corrupt too, but it takes much longer to rot (multiple generations), while a socialist nation could become a totalitarian regime within a few years.

Correct me if I'm wrong

Because:
A)The Eu destriyed the local industry for free bucks,and Spain big chunk of its industrial model,creating an average unemployment rate if 17%.(pic related)
B) It is something that has nothing to do with Franco. Even if Spain was a democracy (which it wouldn't have happened if republicans won the war), the EU,wasn't a thing until much later. The growth post Franco was just a fake bubble sustained by Germany. It has nothing to do with the incompetence of a leader.

If investors would have come to spain like they did to germany or france it would have a way more advanced industry

Investors came into Spain. Pls stop mumbling about things you dont know about. Most of the industries founded in Spain,that are still open, were created in the 60's.

sorry forgot I talked to a professor of spanish economics

Great argument boy!

>edgy teens and autists mamchildren/uneducated white trash

Ok, so leftists hate people with mental disorders, the uneducated and the poor.
Good thing you guys aren't like the Nazis or anything.

Portugal was a fascist state and had it's most successful tenure in history as a fascist state, especially economically.

>national socialism
>right wing
that is factually wrong

"right wing" governments are okay for rapid economic development but they do not have sustainable ideologies. There are some inherent beneficial cultural values in conservatism if you want to get shit done in a way that can also inhibit innovation.

>being leftists mean you have to love everybody

Nice one autismo

U.S.A versus U.S.S.R.

The leftist empire collapsed, the right wing one went on to global dominance.

...and white

>be black American
>Treated like second class citizens
>Government doesn't give a shit about you
>Communities subject to frequent pogroms
>Lynchings by white people considered a favored pastime
>Used as unwilling guinea pigs in medical experiments and test subjects for military weapons
>Exist in society with a rigid class system that deprives you of rights that your environment has an absence of hope and self-determination creating a permanent underclass

Yeah America is just as bad. In democracies the tyranny of the mob attacks the spirit whereas in autocracies the rulers attack the body but the spirit remains unharmed and rises above it. A man lives in a democracy but he lives a life far worst than death.

>But muh six millon jews

Get the fuck out of here

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