Protestant work ethic

>Protestant work ethic
>Lutheran Prussia was the first modern welfare state
>Afro-Americans are predominantly Protestant but have a high unemployment rate
Explain to me why anyone still takes Weber's theory seriously.

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Why bother?

You've come to your own conclusion and are only interested in shitposting, as evident by your redditfrog picture.

Baptists not Lutherans. Filthy cucks.

This. Baptists/Anabaptists technically are not Protestants, for that matter neither are Reformed.

But Weber's theory is a bit silly, I understand his point but I think most humans naturally take available resources and opportunities afforded them. If anything the "Protestant" work ethic has almost nothing to do with spiritual outlook on life but Protestants traditionally are descended from the capital controlling or at least business savvy bourgeoisie. Cause =/= effect. Especially when it's used in regards to New England, the whole argument falls apart when you understand all the potential resources laying at their disposal and markets rip for their products, wood, ships, fish, etc.

>WASP CEO's think they're working hard and Catholic Mexican construction workers aren't.

Except nobody takes Weber's theory seriously anymore.

>>Protestant work ethic
more like germanic work ethic

A welfare state for a homogeneous society benefits everyone

In a multicuilt society it funnels money from stable families to minorities and effectively subsidizes bad behavior

Fuck weber tho

>ey esay 12:00, union says it's break time
>good thing we can't get fired for doing nothing all day
>jajajajajaja

As a person who's spent most of their life in Texas, this fucks with me hard.

Dudes roofing, painting, doing lawnwork, construction work, etc for 8 hours a day in the sweltering heat god damn. Some of the kids are cunts, but the older 1st gens that I've worked with in kitchens make me look like a poof. And I value my work.

It really just speaks leagues as to how detached from the rest of society they are, if they really have that reservation.

>evil white man!!!!

If you worked in a corporate office you wouldn't have such a binary concept of the world.

I'm sure some of them do work hard. Just not "getting seriously injured at work is a real possibility" hard.

have any of you even read the fucking book? he never says protestants work harder than other people.

he is arguing against Marx's idea (though he doesn't say it outright) that base (i.e. economy) always controls superstructure (i.e. culture, religion, art, law, morality, etc.). he tries to show that religion, and specifically the protestantism of america in the 18th century, was responsible for a change in the way people worked and how they thought of/used money. he says without this change capitalism could not have formed later on. therefore superstructre can indeed affect base.

you fucking faggots

>Why bother?
Because this is a board where people discuss these things.
What conclusions have I come to? I stated 3 facts, named a concept, and asked for an explanation. I didn't even make an argument.

>3
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But Marx was right, so why is Weber taken seriously?

cool rebuttal

NOT AN ARGUMENT
You have to prove Marx wrong

Weber already did

I don't know. What would Weber say about why capitalism emerged in non-protestant societies around the same time period as those in the West (e.g. Japan) and conversely, why capitalism did not emerge in other Western protestant societies (e.g. Scotland)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

>It has recently been suggested that Protestantism has indeed influenced positively the capitalist development of respective social systems not so much through the "Protestant ethics" but rather through the promotion of literacy.[14][15][16]

>Becker & Wossmann at the University of Munich,[17] as well as Andrey Korotayev & Daria Khaltourina at the Russian Academy of Sciences,[14] showed that literacy levels differing in religious areas can sufficiently explain the economic gaps cited by Weber. The results were supported even under a concentric diffusion model of Protestantism using distance from Wittenberg as a model.[17]

But Marx was right ;)
That wasn't true capitalism ;)

That's why Japan faired so well economically

The "Protestant work ethic" is codeword for Germanic worth ethic.

wut.

>illegals
>unionized
kill yourself desu

>This entire post

>Lutheran Prussia was the first modern welfare state
It was implemented to undermine the socialist movements that were gaining footholds in popularity, AKA people that had shitty jobs, not for people that weren't working

I am pretty sure Weber idolized calvinists and their asceticism. And Calvinism was pretty much a continental euro thing.

Weber is literally common sense in 2016. Marxism is just another paradigm out of many. People still argue about Marx, while the sociology of Weber is already ingrained in daily life and noone blinks an eye.