Is government bureaucracy destroying small business?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Is government bureaucracy destroying small business?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

i'm pretty sure that graph is actually a tree that was drawn in the most convoluted way possible

FastChef
FastChef

Yes. I'm starting a small business. Hiring employees legally is so fucking expensive it's an impossibility. At the prices I would have to charge the work would just be done by illegals

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

No, businesses just like to bitch and whine so that they can get even more kickbacks than they are already

MPmaster
MPmaster

bureacucracy is one of the small businesses, theyre hiring retarded black people

takes2long
takes2long

le red tape meme
Yes, regulations which protect workers, consumers and the environment are bad things.

Let's be more like Somalia! No red tape at all!

iluvmen
iluvmen

I like how fucking retarded this board is. Not one genuine non-troll reaction.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Well the thing is you have to consider regulations both hinder businesses and protect workers/consumers. So what's the necessary balance?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

No, it protects small business by keeping the totally incompetent from starting a business.

If you can't figure out simple paperwork, you are going to fail anyway.

Techpill
Techpill

ITT a bunch of know nothings. Over regulate and you drive business underground where there are no regulations, completely undoing the point of the initial regulations. Like I said in . It's an impossibility to hire workers legally

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Thinks 100% of the law apply 100% of the time
Thinks every three-letter agency is breathing down your neck every waking moment
Thinks every gov't agency has the funding to hound business owners over every sing infraction

yea, suuuuure

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Small business owner here.

For most things I think there is very little red tape.

Starting an LLC is easy
Getting a bank account is easy
Writing checks is easy
Getting insured is easy

It's when you get employees that the WHOLE FUCKING GAME CHANGES. It's honestly like the government does not want you to give people jobs and wants to deincentivse you paying them well

Pain in the ass HR law and hiring practices
Pain in the ass payroll
Pain in the ass workmans comp
Pain in the ass taxes and tax related tasks
Pain in the ass Immigration shit

Basically you are just constantly making sure you don't get fucked by the IRS, fucked by an unemployment claim, or fucked by a workman's comp claim.

If it was not for that shit I could grow 2x as fast and 2x as easy.

The PROBLEM is that the government was forced to intervene to stop scummy business owners that want to treat employees like farm animals. But nice guys like me have to pay the price.

Such is capitalism.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I run a successful small business.

The govt paperwork is the hard part.

It's not that anything is complex really, it's more that the whole thing is just run like the nigger DMV. No one gives a fuck, no one wants to help you, and everyone wants to give you some long form then tell you it's another person's job to explain how to fill out that form.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

This is 100% accurate. It's almost like someone wants big businesses to not have to deal with small businesses expanding and stealing market share

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Bureaucracy is far from being synonymous with quality, there must be a corporate understanding and approach towards immediacy in supplementing the market as a gateway instead of a hurdle. Safeguards should be incentivized, the lack of "proof of concept" led protection being more of a requirement than bearing any substantial value; on a business spectrum the middle ground is messy, instead of unifying we're seeing a polarizing force that acts as filter to clear the market of small businesses that lack willpower and consistency. Policy isn't always geared towards vehicles driving independent economic activity but rather maintaining balance of the system as a whole.

Snarelure
Snarelure

agreed.

they should remove unemployment entirely from companies under 10 employees, or under 50 even.

Government and Large corporations go hand in hand.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

But the op is a troll

Biz is about profiting from the current regulatory environment

Pol is about changing laws

askme
askme

No, it's a meme pushed by big businesses that control the government and swallowed by people who A) don't have any ideas, B) don't have good ideas, and C) don't even try. The fact is that the problems a small business faces are almost entirely independent of government at any level.

I have a small business. My problems are sky high rent, suppliers not delivering anything on a schedule, and the fickleness/cheapness of customers. The fact that I have to make a 3-minute phone call once every 6 months to pay sales tax does not even register as an inconvenience, let alone crushing government interference.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Do you understand what trolling is?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Look at chart
Only shit you need to care about is IRS and the 3 green dots on the chart

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

You have no employees if you think tax is what we're talking about

Bidwell
Bidwell

I should be allowed to pay my employees two cents an hour and physically abuse them

Your business is so shitty that you have to pay people slave wages to survive?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

This is simple. If you make a thing more expensive, fewer people will buy it. If you make employees more expensive by increasing the red tape employers have to deal with, employers will "buy" fewer employees.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

american graphic representation skills

Nojokur
Nojokur

Not true

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Yes it is.

It isnt the wage that is the problem.

Illegals will work for $20/hr cash
My employees cost $20/hr plus $12/hr of bullshit government fees before my profit even kicks in
Who is the client gonna hire?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Cant we have no red tape and still have the institutions needed for a successful society?

Spamalot
Spamalot

japanese nasal representation skills

Evilember
Evilember

Taxation is theft

eGremlin
eGremlin

plus $12/hr of bullshit government fees

What exactly is costing you $12 an hour?

massdebater
massdebater

get rid of minimum wage and workers just git gud.also the freedom to unionize is a thing in most countries i believe

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

a thief walks up to you, jacks your money, spends your money in mutual funds that will pay off by the time you retire, college funds for the local kids, and a better driveway

you think to yourself, well i guess that's not so bad, but
1. i don't care about mutual funds 45 years from now, give me my money so i can make my own investments. pretty sure i can make better investments than some thief (Uncle Sam) suited to my own interests
2. i really have my own needs to pay for, let the college kid earn his own money like i had to
3. thanks for the driveway, but i ride the bus

That's what taxes are.

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