Im a princeton grad and everything i learned at princeton i could have learned at a local community college, or through online references and videos. Engineering at college is something to consider, but you dont have to go to stanford or cal tech or mit to get into a local circle of engineers that can help you just as much as professors and TA's at a top university can.
But womens studies majors? Communications majors? Politics majors? I would argue that a womens studies major from an ivy or stanford is less valuable than someone with a GED who took a couple computer classes at a local community college and has some basic skills.
The reason ppl go "ooh" and "aah" when you tell them princeton harvard yale
Stanford isnt because you get something there that you couldnt get from wikipedia and some professional friends. The main point is that you were accepted, which means you are more likely to be a talented person than the avg bloke u meet at starbucks. But there was a large portion of my classmates at princeton who took their forever-in-the-library work ethic and
hallucinated it into a belief that they were actually smart. Dont get me wrong, some of my classmates were highly intelligent. But many were just avg idiots riding the wave of their own ego.
In summation, my main point is that spending more than a few thousand dollars per year on college is a truly hilarious proposition today. Hanging out with computer nerds who truly show signs of curiosity will boost your intelligence far more than hanging with the "work hard, play hard" losers in college who study 5 hrs a day then go pose at parties, getting their confidence from their gpa, as if that had more than a single digit percent correlation with intelligence.
College is kill
Wow, the depression really hurt the job market
even Princeton grads are trying to lessen the amount of degree holders they have to compete with
Wenn einer der mit mühe kaum
Gekrochen ist auf einen baum
Schon meint dass er ein vogel wär
So irrt sich der
If one who - with ease -
Climbs up a tree
And thinks he is a bird
Then he is wrong
Old german saying
I made the same experience and am horrified to find out that these stupid (relative speaking) people who only study are becomings doctors and what not and think they are the shit
Its not that complicated.
An efficient economy should pay based on how few ppl in the world there are that can do what you do. Your innate intelligence plays a large role in determining how valuable (rare) you are to an economy. Much larger than how much you payed for or where you went to college. There is a large disconnect between the ideal (efficient economy) situation and the current situation. Fighting economics is kind of like trying to stop a force of nature. In the long run, it just doesnt work. Just like with the dynamics of drug smuggling. The demand in the us is there, so drugs literally seep across the border as if powered by osmosis. What is really powering the osmosis has to do with the true nature of economics. Economies want to adjust; they want to pay you what youre worth. Right now alot of ppl are trying to fight it, but its a losing battle at this point. It may take a comprehensive economic collapse in order to effectively shake off the leeches, but it will happen one way or another. I dont worry about being valuable to society, if thats what you are insinuating. Like the dea trying to stop the flow of drugs, so too will the status quo fail to keep ppl like me from wrecking it for amusement
As a Medical student I disagree 100% with you.
>Hanging out with computer nerds who truly show signs of curiosity will boost your intelligence far more than hanging with the "work hard, play hard" losers in college who study 5 hrs a day then go pose at parties, getting their confidence from their gpa, as if that had more than a single digit percent correlation with intelligence.
OP... you read me like a fucking book. I go to a top school here (Canada) and people are far from very intelligent - they just study like fucking robots and are into the routine of studying and then getting absolutely blasted on weekends.
It's absolutely ridiculous how uninquisitive and egotistical they all are.
But here's the thing - the true success people achieve in life won't be based on that. If they are competent, success is based on creativity and individual thought. A friend of mine who goes to a mid-tier school and doesn't study very much at all is a self-made millionaire at age 19 because he's talented and a strong creative thinker.
Work ethic isn't everything. People aren't robots.
This is probably because med school is based entirely on that study study study mentality and prolonging it (while simultaneously avoiding the real world) as long as one can
I'm at a Technical University in Germany studying engineering and I'm really happy I don't have to pay for that shit. Honestly, you can learn that all by reading books you bought on Amazon or by watching youtube videos. But yeah, it is for the degree and that companies think you are something special.
In the near future Doctors will be good or bad based on how well they can utilize a program and surgeons will be good or bad based on how well they can pilot robots. So big picture thinkers and ppl who dominated at halo and call of duty will be making the money while library residents like urself will be making 20 bucks an hour tutoring kids in subjects you dont even fully understand yourself.
This makes me happy to be honest. I never liked those library people.
Which one?
What market did he make his millions in?
>I never liked those library people.
just another bit of insight. econ major (not at princeton, local university, anonymity)
there are students who spend all day in the library reciting quotes and facts and studying tables and graphs and equations for hours (i minored math, the shit is second nature to me). i just sorta read the chapter, derive the equations and say 'OOH thats how that works'
when it comes to application, they're so bugged out from studying so much they fail to see details that i found really obvious. even after all the studying i still get higher marks and i even explain things to the seniors from their courses (i'm a junior)
not trying to compare penises here, but there really is a stark contrast between library smart and people like me who really understand.
>truly show signs of curiosity will boost your intelligence far more than hanging with the "work hard, play hard" losers in college who study 5 hrs a day then go pose at parties, getting their confidence from their gpa, as if that had more than a single digit percent correlation with intelligence.
Too bad these people will be the successful people of the future while 99% of those dropout "computer nerds" will become nobodies except for the one or two who start a successful tech company--oh wait, lots of the guys who made successful startups either went to good unis or dropped out after starting their company
>people like me who really understand.
>big picture thinkers and ppl who dominated at halo and call of duty will be making the money
You're retarded m8. Really, just stop posting or go to /r9k/ and post about how uni is a scam and how you'll be totally successful because you know Ruby or Python.
try r9k
>the world is increasingly becoming more specialised
>people now specialise in one very specific field and devote their lives to it
>big picture thinkers will dominate
How hard do ivy league people work? How many hours per week? And aren't the classes harder than other schools?
From my experience, going to a non-ivy top engineering school, the non-bright high gpa students are studying 6-8+ hours a day on weekdays and 4+ hours on weekends.
Not to mention most of these kids are in clubs to boost their resumes.
My roommate last year had a 4.00GPA and was Valedictorian in high school.
I took Calc 2 & an Accountancy class with him.
Got an A in both without studying as much as him and his GPA dropped to 3.92 or so, meaning he got an A-/B+ or 2. He must've studied twice as much as me.
I don't mind having a 3.5GPA if it means studying half as much and not wasting 10+ hours a week attending useless clubs. I can't understand the purpose of these people.
All in all, he got a internship at state farm, which means he'll probably be a wagecuck making 60-70K/year when he graduates. Wasted effort desu (this guy didn't go to an Ivy League because he wanted to save money, lmao).
>Studying philosophy
>Chance of getting out of neetdom kill
What do?
Programming? biz?
Do I stop wasting time on the degree?
Yeah. You could also pursue a CFA charter and go into Finance.
Usually, they don't care about major as long as your GPA was decent.
Is the CFA worth it at all?
Will it get me somewhere?
What do you mean if my GPA was decent? the one on my current shit-tier degree?
We dont have GPAs where I live but I guess we have equivalents.
If you went to a top tier school and got like a 3.8+, IB's will hire you. Once you get 4 years experience in finance, you can start the exams for your CFA.
Philosophy is kill yourself tier, but, it's not as kill yourself as gender studies, afro-american studies etc. You can still get hired. I hope you have some work experience or something, intenrship maybe?
Philosophy isnt that bad in my view. At worst it will at least prepare your mind for learning other things. As an anecdote, one of the worlds top hedge funf managers was a philosophy professor before changing paths.
Heads up, you fucking retard, university is not, nor has it ever been about learning.
Everything I have learnt from my 7 years (two undergraduate degrees) could be ascertained from Wikipedia and YouTube.
The point of university is the NAME, the PRESTIGE. Nobody is going to hire you if you do not have a degree; nobody is going to hire you if you didn't go to a Top University; nobody is going to hire you if you 'learnt' just as much on Wikipedia.
The point is, you need to know how to play the game. Also, it's incredible that you're a Princeton graduate given your appalling grammar and syntax.
Harvard Graduate out.
I call BS
Post any proof that you're a Princeton grad
>Everything I have learnt from my 7 years (two undergraduate degrees) could be ascertained from Wikipedia and YouTube.
>Harvard Graduate out.
:^)
>Also, it's incredible that you're a Princeton graduate given your appalling grammar and syntax.
honestly schools don't matter, it's the student.
why do you think some kid from india who grew up in the slums comes to america and still tops the fuck out of every class?
also
>university is not, nor has it ever been about learning.
except it always has. it is about learning, and always has been. the 'prestige' thing you talk about is genuinely only a thing in america.
get cultured, harfag
nothing really impressive, there's all kinds of people on here
>believing Harvard is somehow superior to other top schools academically
You could go to Berkeley or University of Michigan and get similar education. Class sizes are largely the difference.
also the fact that employers look for a college name in your application and don't look for tenacity in an IRL interview is just proof that they don't deserve to be 'employers'.
please make this change when it's your turn to employ someone Veeky Forums. look at the people, not the resume
I've always wondered what kind of people goes to ivy league schools.
Like are they similar to the normal HS where there are the cool groups and nerd groups that can't get chicks.
Then for those who party a lot and able to keep their GPA up, they would be like super smart or something then?
I really envy those people as they have the best of both world.
inb4 those party people have rich parents that pay for them to stay in ivy league schools. Don't ruin my dream
It has nothing to do with you studying at Princeton. You don't speak well, you actually believe that you could have the same kind of education from a community college, and you don't understand the value of going to a big name university.
What year did you graduate in, and what did you study.
>You don't speak well
lol wut?
me
woops wrong person, meant for OP
>Hanging out with computer nerds who truly show signs of curiosity will boost your intelligence far more than hanging with the "work hard, play hard" losers in college who study 5 hrs a day then go pose at parties, getting their confidence from their gpa, as if that had more than a single digit percent correlation with intelligence.
re-reading i just truly digested this piece. you described my roommate desu, also Veeky Forums related she's the kind to spend $50 a week on makeup
of course college is a meme. I taught myself pretty much everything from pirating textbooks beforehand anyways.
Our society will do a lot better once people stop dropping money they don't have on useless degrees.
>Our society will do a lot better once people stop dropping money they don't have on useless degrees.
as i mentioned earlier, employers are the problem, not the employees. you could have a lot of non-degree applicants who would do a job ten times better than a ivy-league grad with poorer people skills and discipline, but guess who gets the job?
yeah woops is right ya grammatically correct putz..
maybe you should only worry about grammer as much as it is effectively necessary and use the rest of your peanut to figure out what the fuck is going on...
>grammer
lad...
Not him, but you're proving his point by being pedantic.
>proving
>PROVING
that's not how anything works though
why does a princeton grad write like he's 18 years old?
you didn't actually study economics though so whatever
You could try going into law if you think you can handle that. Otherwise computer programming could work.
I don't know a lot about you OP, but from this post I can tell that you are NOT a Princeton grad.
wait, did you go to princeton and just realized this, or you knew before you went?
anyone with an IQ above 70 can realize this. literally just skip college and watch MIT opencourseware videos.
my parents are forcing me to go to college next year to try it, and i keep telling them it's a complete waste of money. at least i can go instate.
actually going to lectures and stuff in 2016 is the biggest fucking waste of time and money. complete scam for ppl to need a degree.
fucking retarded boomers fucking up society, all you should need to do for a job is take IQ test and know how to do the job.
Are you fucking retarded?
Oh look whos threatened!
Your so cute!
Dont worry sweetie , most people you run into dont have your 115 iq, so that means you will NEVER run into ppl superior to u.
Or will you?
Youre probably butthurt bc youre a pol major out of state on mommy and daddies dime.
There are only about two dozen colleges in the US with acceptance rates
No son, hes talking sense.
And no i didnt figure this out till my senior year when i really started meeting some gpa whores who were about as sophisticated as a hamburger.
Yeah and employers generally take a college degree as part of their evidence that an applicant is able to do the job right. Why would employers not want that pre-screening?
>Employees have sunken cost and/or debt, making them more likely to stick with a stable job, therefore more loyal
>Initial screening done by universities at expense of student reduces resources needed in hiring process
>Interns and university-sponsored research provides cheap labor and R&D
Sounds like college is pretty good for employers, and employees don't have much option but to jump through their hoops.
>No son, hes talking sense
No, it's making absolutely zero sense what he's saying.
You think you can learn everything from MIT OCW? Good luck trying to teach yourself what stochastic differential equations are. Even if you succeed, how do you go about proving someone you know all these things? You think HR faggots would rather hire you than someone who's actually been to university?
Just look at the way you type, it's so obvious you haven't once set foot in an Ivy League school. 20 bucks you're some 17 year old kid who's going to trade school and is coping with the fact he will never ever work at a fortune 500 company.
>You think HR faggots would rather hire you than someone who's actually been to university?
you do realize you are literally using the rhetoric from exactly what the problem is
please drink bleach you waste of organic material college shill
Women's studies majors come out stupider than before college.
Politics majors can come out stupider or smarter, depending on their level of ideology versus actual logical thinking
It's really hard to write a paper for a liberal arts major. It's a lot like architecture or painting. Although probably autistic, anyone who can graduate from Harvard with a women's studies major is actually very intelligent. Like they get really into it.
Also, the women produced from these majors are interesting! Most women are very, very, boring.
The point is that he won't even be able to teach himself all these things in the first place, unless he is absolutely brilliant, and considering OP can't differentiate between "your" and "you're", he isn't.
going to college is an even worse decision for OP however
it is a complete government scam and it needs to end,
literally all education could be put online for pennies or even for free,
the fact that brick and mortar universities still exist in 2016 is mind boggling to me
it is literally a giant collusion of college to drive up prices, plus employers needing to see a college degree
the whole system is literally cancer
>work hard play hard
disgusting
>have a bachelor's in accounting from a cheap shitty state school
>making $48k
>pick up a book on VBA
>within three years making $90k
paying for education is the ultimate meme
economics is just political philosophy masquerading as science anyways
VBA?
Veeky Forums... you're making me worried about my college decision
I got into pic related and will be attending in the fall planning to major in either Mechanical Engineering, Nuclear Engineering, or Computer Science, how do you recommend I best use this school to get big money?
I will also be attending on a full ROTC scholarship which entails 5 years of service on graduation
Teach me, senpai. Is that Visual Basic for Applications that upped your income? Did you switch careers or get raises/promotions?
>how do you recommend I best use this school to get big money
Connections, brother. When it comes to fields in STEM, the prestige of your school doesn't matter terribly much (pay-wise). Basically,make friends with someone who's going to be successful.
Philosophy major from a bottom tier ivy league here, just made the switch into programming. market is really really tough so you have to hustle hard. if you're a non-asian minority or a femanon, programming is the absolute best option for you
I actually think Harvard has retained a culture very similar to that of its past -- pure intellectual pursuit, in many cases at least. The liberal arts people I've met from there -- Social Studies & Linguistics -- have been truly intelligent and passionate. But they also were slightly sheltered, born extremely wealthy, and not obsessed with money.
The rest are all infected with your money-oriented attitude, IMO.
>70k right out of college
>wagecuck
>wasted effort
man you people should go outside once in a while
Hey user,
Research your decision on those majors carefully. The markets are re-aligning big time right now, and many think Comp Sci is getting harder to find work in. BUT its MIT, so that might now matter at all. Check their job placement reports, and look for trends.
As for Nuclear, I have heard that jobs are extremely hard to get. Again, its MIT, so that really doesn't apply if you know your shit.
You might be best off talking to someone with a military background, for what sort of jobs are best out there. In fact, everything I just said is probably wrong once considering you're going into military.
Maybe plan for an exit into defense.
They don't study to become researcher, but to get good grades and thus a job.
or in other words: they are the smart ones and we who study out of interest are fucked and should die ASAP. Research careers are shit anyway.
My grades were mediocre-to-good but my Bachelor and Master thesis were top graded. This is the difference between the researcher and the worker. Companies however want to employ workers. It is incredibly arrogant to think lowly of study-robots. I envy them. The determination, work ethics and self-control they need. Study without joy. I'd be bad at this.
Now I apply for a doctorate that'll yield me 1200€/Mo. So who's the fool? I am.
The bad future prospect starts to wear out my joy and interest in the field anyway. The mental masturbation I do through my essays is merely an ego trip. I regret that I have been born, desu. I fucked up with my life decisions. To think of those others as stupid is denial.
You need to have finance experience to do the CFA exams, right? Now how would a Philosophy grad hustle his way into a finance job in the first place?
Honestly how much does one year tuition cost at a non-shitty US university?
I'm a European and I pay€1951 a year in tuition cost, and I find it well worth it.
For a school that is bottom of the Top 50 (top 50 would be non-shitty unless you look for specific major rankings) such as University of Maryland, a state school, instate cost of attendance would be 25k a year and out of state would be 45k (this includes all living costs food etc.) so its pretty pricey unless you can get scholarships or have your parents pay. The good financial aid is at ivies or similar top universities like stanford and MIT where you can get good aid even if you are middle middle class. I'd say its hardly worth going to anything below a top 50 or good major specific university if youre paying out of state tuition or really dedicated to pursuing engineering which has a decent starting or can get great scholarships.
Thanks both of you for the advice!
If you really think that the Ivys offer nothing that you can't get from a CC, you're missing the point.
Going to Harvard to sit in the library is a waste of time & money, just like it would be at any other 4-year institution.
The point is to go to school, get decent grades, and DO THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE CLASSROOM, IN A COMMUNITY OF YOUR PEERS.
You have an unequaled opportunity as a student to take on leadership roles, make new acquaintances, and build relationships with people who are similarly gifted, with similar interests and similar goals, while you are in college. That experience is often magnified by the forceful inclusivity some of the Ivys and other highly-respected institutions offer, particularly to undergrads.
The point of college is to learn how to be an adult. Sure, some adults can get by solely on their intellect, but the point of college is to teach you that you can get a lot farther as an active participant/leader in a community of your peers than you can get all on your lonesome.
Would you recommend joining a frat at a top tier university for the best connections possible? Sure there are parties but its not like at another university where these guys wont be doing successful things in their future.
disease diagnosis is already largely aided by technology; in 10-20 years most of the medical field will look much different than it does today. IBM has already been working to replace/repurpose the current diagnostic role of doctors, and they're pretty damn close to achieving that goal. In addition, robot-aided surgery is becoming more common than ever, and diagnostic imaging is becoming more automated than ever. By the end of our lifetime, we'll see the first entirely automated surgical procedure. At that point, your "high value" career will be little more than the bedside manner you give "your" patients while the machines do all the work in the background.
> exp(-ln...)
>not 1/...
Typical girl that have to get naked to get a job i suppose
You'll be fine.
Join student groups, do your best to find study groups.
However, IF YOU DON'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH YOUR PEERS, the money will be mostly wasted. Your peers and/or your non-graded undergrad experience (i.e. student groups, student work jobs, volunteer stuff, etc.) will help connect you with your first job, and the alumni association can help you network with similarly connected people from that point on; this is the advantage of prestigious universities, and this is what you are actually paying your tuition for.
Haha enjoy 200k student loan debt. #RIPYourBankAccount
Frats are ok. They're time-intensive and somewhat exclusionary, though. The people I knew who made the most of fraternities joined service fraternities or other similar goal-oriented student groups.
Don't join the frat because it looks like they "have a lot of fun"; join it because the people there inspire you in one way or another.
There will always be parties with hot chicks; even after college, you can go to any bar on a weekend and hook up with someone, if you so desire, and you're relatively normal.
The real benefit of college is gaining real-world experiences with a buffer from real-world consequences. If you join/start a student group, your school will often just give you a budget to work with and use how you please; if you start a company, you either need a loan, or you need the startup capital on your own.
If you get a student work job through your school, your boss will never get angry at you for putting your education first; if you are going to a CC and you have to skip a shift for an exam, your boss will eventually fire you.
Long story short, college is wasted on the young & anxious. Anxiety is wasted energy in college; do what you want, when you want, where you want. So long as it's within the confines of the law, it will be forgiven.
>full ROTC scholarship
what does this mean to you?
I plan on joining a frat thats a bit of an inbetween of super social and studious as there are plenty that appear to just be study groups that dont even have a house, and I plan to hop into internships/research as soon as possible maybe even spring semester if I am lucky enough (I dont have any real resume experience currently though :/)
Veeky Forums in a nutshell:
>guys there's no point in going to medical school, you can learn everything from videos of mbeke motumdo from nigeria on youtube, he will teach you how to use a skull opening rock to remove demons from your skull
>there's no point to anything guys just drop out and become a garbageman or welder, they make BANK, I mean you can read some articles on wikipedia and basically it's the same as a PhD from oxford, we all know that reading the tripe of some nerd with aspergers writing on wikipedia is the same as a comprehensive degree with exams and prestige and accreditation and shit
LOL
You could have learned it from home, but you need internships and shit from princeton.
If you didnt sign up for ambitious internships hsing the princeston name you're kinda a dumbass.
I guess they don't teach basic sentence structure at Princeton, huh?
Man, your green text is basically my career path right now.
What are some accounting macros that you use? I wanna get into a niche and learn this shit. Thanks
wow, great argument! you really opened my eyes!!
>spot the liberal arts major
Philosophy is fine, but you have to take it in a computing/mathematics direction. Focus on logic, learn coding. I know some people who come out with a philosophy background in logic etc. who get snapped up.
Don't think you can rest on Nietzsche and Sartre though.
>Be born danefag
>Free good education
>I can study any subject and the state pays for it
>I even get a scholarship paying for basic living costs
>I can just get the fuck out before the socialist taxation hits me
Feels good, to be honest.
>assuming anywhere outside of Denmark will take a Denmark education
>Not going to a world renowned university in America for opportunity for careers globally
baka senpai
Yeah, it is cancer. The crisis will be the chemo.
Did hitler really say this?
You have to be joking lol. Burger universities are poop tier.
Believe it or not u are paraphrasing things i have said before.
College is a microcosm designed to challenge you. Ur hyp friends can talk about things like determinism without some idiot saying "i can choose anything i want therefore i have free will bla bla bla. "
But my point in this thread is that u dont need that. The comp sci kids at a community college are going to be smarter than the comms/politics/pub speaking majors at a good university.
Kek
You tell 'em bawss.
Why?
Jesus Christ dude.
Ivy League.