/memex/

Sorry, language wise. I'm going to be implementing the full Meme stack. NodeJS on the backend behind nginx with some sort of nosql db. ReactJS on the front-end if I need any app-like interface. Balls to the walls memes all around.

I worked full-time for a few years and made a good reputation. All of my clients are digital agencies, I don't do direct clients. By the time I arrive on a project budgets have been signed off and designs agreed. It's a much more efficient way of getting work in and signing it off. I never have to deal directly with the end client and I get paid before the projects even go live. I also earn twice as much as when I worked full time and work half the amount. You have to not mind networking a bit though.

bump for input

How bout you make it actual money instead of fake money?

checked

I don't want to be responsible when someone hacks my side project and makes off with other peoples cash

Also the algorithms that will be determining the value of stocks will be completely made up and arbitrary and likely easy to game with enough effort.

And thirdly the myriad of legalities of doing so.

Then use fake money that can be turned into real money (crypto) instead.

I like this.

This.
Just make a new PoS coin called Memecoin and have it be the primary currency of your exchange.

sounds like a fun project! do it!!!

>tfw going long in YLYL

I have considered it, but I will leave it for a later version maybe. How much of my fake money exists in the market is completely arbitrary and tied to how many accounts people make, people could just create more accounts and boom, you have more real money.

Someone help me create a list of text based memes I can start it with

Ones that require something slightly more than an equal match can also be done, so tracking use of (((this))) is fine too for instance.

>Someone help me create a list of text based memes I can start it with
You could start off with that KNPD joke floating around Veeky Forums. Would be funny if it became real.

Bump don't let this die

>not putting it in HOWEVER
lmao

YES

*UPDATE*
Pic related is current top 20 boards, or see pastebin.com/n66sLcyz for full list.

Got a script analysing all the boards and assigning a value based on speed of the board and also average thread length. The number is price per share with a floor of 1 so the boards at the bottom of the list are slow as molasses and also have a very low reply depth to match.

One interesting thing I noticed is /trash/ is doing surprisingly well. Perhaps a great summer investment?

Veeky Forums I think is edging ahead due to the massive average length of each thread, as to be expected from the board.

I've also just got my scraper working so can start creating stocks for various text based memes.

Why does /mlp/ have so much text content?

Seriously, make a crypto, start a small, Veeky Forums based ipo and develop the website around it. You make a ton of money, I make a ton of money, and we both have fun.

In all honesty, this isn't a terrible idea.

Very unusual, a little questionable, but it has potential.

The real question is, SHOULD you do it?

sounds proper dodge m8, I can't sell fake shares for "real" money for a company I'm not even involved with

why not? it's just a bit of fun, just a side project for me, will be a laugh seeing people tying to game/crash the market

>/a/ that high

it's slow as shit compared to ~2009 how can this be

it's a combination of board speed and thread depth, so lots of long threads can boost value

when do you think this will go online? Sounds like good fun

W... they masterbate to fanfictions constantly

Realistically not for another couple weeks maybe but potentially a beta sooner. Depends how busy I get with work.

>tfw you pump and dump memes on s4s
Gonna make a killing

they can't acually post porn there because it's a blue board, but everyone in /mlp/ is there because they want to jack it to pastel horses so they have to make due with writefaggotry.

there's an idea, a stock exchange that uses BTC instead of money. And then one day they'll just disappear with 700 million BTC

Bump. Sounds cool

Like it. could bei fun

This sounds like a fantastic way to gamble, I hope you see the crypto potential for this but I respect your decision to keep it strictly play money. If it helps I wouldn't mind paying money for this and I'm sure gookm00t might have an interest as well to generate more views. Also keep in mind that certain individuals can be major market movers, specifically LongPostGuy on Veeky Forums generally hits the bump cap very fast and obviously major games on /sp/ can generate spontaneous memes

Tfw you lost all your money going long on redpill

Okay, so a couple of ideas:

In order to prevent spam and potential bans, add a variable that makes negative growth based on the increase in amount of posts/hour in a board.

Parse all posts but do not try to search for certain words. People can insert these words in seemingly inocuos statemtns and make them look like memes to the parser. You possibly need to have a line parser with minimal grammar in order to filter spelling mistakes/formatting error and tags.

Integrate a [BIG GUY] mode wherein posts from certain boards like /tv/ are only parsed during the hours of least activity the previous day, and this information is not made public. This means there would be a surge of shitposting at these hours but would then minimize.

This could be the end of Veeky Forums, be careful.p

Also, you don't have to list all memes, make the people vote. Give every account 10 votes and let someone make the list by individually adding these. Then people vote on this, and they can upvote or downvote. The total number of votes are 10, and if you upvote once it means you can downvote nine others and vice versa. Then , memes that pass a certain threshold will be counted and the others will not be. Memes that pass a certain negative score will yeild a negative return. Also, an increase in the number of accounts means that every user will get less money when he first opens an account.

Also, let them buy memecoins using bitcoins/ethcuck. It will add value fast. Also, the number of ylyl threads on b inversely affect the yeild. Also, whenever hiroyuki comments, make the stock jump. It will be fucking exciting.

Also let people buy Veeky Forums passes for a certain number of memecoins.

Also, you can buy more votes with more memcoins but once you upvote/downvote someing you can not take it back.

Everyone's just gonna invest in /b/.

This sounds p cool
Make sure to keep biz updated once the thread dies

youtube.com/watch?v=rdhNkv4ryuM

Whatever you do the currency should be good boy points or GBP for short.

Trump isn't a meme though

This is how serious I hope people take it.

It's difficult to differentiate between genuine growth because of a big event and people trying to game it. For instance I want people to be able to invest in /sp/ because there's a world cup coming up and you can profit off of the increased traffic. Same for big elections with /pol/. So I'm hesitant to penalise growth but at the same time I don't want to encourage shitposting so not sure how to handle it. Because the stock analysis happens every hour and because it take quite a few posts at the moment to increase value even a little bit it shouldn't be too easy to just shitpost a little to make gains. Same with the text based memes. You can spam it if you want but you're going to get banned and you might increase the value enough to pay for transaction fees (I'm going to implement a small % fee per transaction so you can't profit it off of extremely minor fluctuations like a bit of shitposting). I like the idea of value spikes when hiro posts (obviously hiro being worth much more). I'd like to program lots of small things like that can negatively or positively effect value.

Voting on what memes to include will be useful. Will keep it fresh without me needing to manually update it.

I'm not saying penalize all growth, but only within certain thresholds. If there's a 10% increase (pretty common in the day/night shift) you can penalize that. Not a 50% increase or something like that.

Also send me 10,000 free good boy points for this shit.

[email protected]

Also make a git or something

Please us this My mummy supports it

I'm actually getting way more excited for this than I probably should be. What language are you using? And have you thought about implementing a mobile version?

Yeah I really like the idea. Do you have twitter, github or some email where someone can reach you?

I literally posted this on biz a few weeks ago.

You forgot to add in meme trading cards, like csgo skins.

>Node
user, for performance reasons I'd recommended using something else, especially on the extremely off chance it actually catches on.

My personal recommendation would be Golang, but there are many that would be just as suitable.

This idea is awesome

The potential for shitting up several boards on Veeky Forums is real, but it only makes it better

I do believe there should be a crypto tied to this project because investing with play money is as interesting and engaging as playing poker with beans

Keeping an eye on this thread

One other technical nit:
For the DB backing the "bank" of users' finances and possessions, you may want to consider something more... reliable than a single MongoDB/ArangoDB/ReactDB/othertrendyDB machine. The sperg in me would want my net worth in memes to be backed by something more stable than Mongo.

>The potential for shitting up several boards on Veeky Forums is real, but it only makes it better
Agreed.

OP, how would memes be recognized by the exchange? If it's just plain-text matches and byte-to-byte image comparisons, people could game this pretty hard by going long on "sgskdvwldgdjdvwksgwksbfoej" and starting some sort of "share your memex symbols" thread, wherein they just post their (and others') keywords to profit.

Would you have some sort of quantitative meme listing standards which are automatically computed, or something of a listing committee which defines a meme by way of regexes and image MD5s?

God dammit this thread is fucking hilarious

Why did mods delete
?

anyway, here it is:

Also, you don't have to list all memes, make the people vote. Give every account 10 votes and let someone make the list by individually adding these. Then people vote on this, and they can upvote or downvote. The total number of votes are 10, and if you upvote once it means you can downvote nine others and vice versa. Then , memes that pass a certain threshold will be counted and the others will not be. Memes that pass a certain negative score will yeild a negative return. Also, an increase in the number of accounts means that every user will get less money when he first opens an account.

Also, let them buy memecoins using bitcoins/ethcuck. It will add value fast. Also, the number of ylyl threads on b inversely affect the yeild. Also, whenever hiroyuki comments, make the stock jump. It will be fucking exciting.

Also let people buy Veeky Forums passes for a certain number of memecoins.

>tfw you'll never be the chairman of the SEC (Shitposting and Expletives Commission) overseeing the operations of the MemEx

Suddenly makes so much more sense.
Thanks.

I don't exactly support the idea of directly voting for memes. I'd prefer a select group of regulators who at least decide standards for a tradable instrument, if not deciding directly on each additional meme. This way, experts from boards could be able to gauge the meme "market" from the viewpoints of their respective boards, and decide appropriately.

Would the memes' value change based on where and how they're posted? i.e. a meme commented on /g/ being valued differently than the same meme on, say, /a/. Further, would an image be valued differently from a text comment?

One last thought before bed:
Perhaps if there is a regulatory board, their performance could be evaluated on the value of their respective boards over time. If /f/'s representative member causes the value of /f/ and its memes to fall significantly over their tenure, then there could be some mechanism for them to be removed and replaced.

Sounds fucking awesome OP

Sounds real fun.
Don't listen to people saying this should require crypto, or boards are going to be flooded with pennyless autists spamming even more meme than now because their assburger money isn't enough to buy some anime toy

Build it in ethereum

Can the users sell anything to each other, or would it all be buying from and selling to an automated dealer?

Bumping this thread. I want to believe

Deal with it

I just had the weirdest feeling of serendipity. I made that gif (along with a small collection of glitch pepe's) about a year and a half ago now and posted it to /r9k/. Didn't think I'd ever see it again, let alone in a thread I made on Veeky Forums. I'm a bit of a board drifter.

I have thought about this. The main problem is people opening multiple accounts and pushing all gains into a single account. Will consider it though if I can think of a good way to do it.

At the moment it's a predefined list of (non case sensitive) text matches. There's also the option of doing basic regex matches too, like for (((these))) type of things.I havn't given much though to image md5 matching as images get tweaked a lot and it gets really difficult to follow. I don't think it would be accurate enough.

Apologies if I reply slow, got to do my normal projects in the day time.

the stock manipulation would literally never end

>pushing all the gains to a single account
Why not prohibit trading to/from new (≤1wk old) accounts?

>I just had the weirdest feeling of serendipity. I made that gif (along with a small collection of glitch pepe's) about a year and a half ago now and posted it to /r9k/. Didn't think I'd ever see it again, let alone in a thread I made on Veeky Forums. I'm a bit of a board drifter.
A year ago, I made a shitty baneposting webm and posted it exactly once on /wsg/. It got in with the first ~1.5k csgoani.me webms. Somehow, a friend of mine rolled that particular webm and posted its link in a voce chat server I frequent.

Are you looking for help on this? I'm interested in working on exchange software, fluent in Golang, and have done some (imho) good graphic design work.

>Why not prohibit trading to/from new (≤1wk old)
I don't think this will deter anyone, even at a longer time schedule, it's easy to open a bunch of accounts and just wait a week if it means making easy gains. I would like to think of a good way to do it though.

>Are you looking for help on this?
Not at the moment, but not out of ego. This is mostly a learning exercise for me to learn a couple things in a fun way. I'm also a web developer by trade and I'm under no illusion that "real" developers could do a better job. I'm going to get it up and running and then maybe other people can help perfect it then or even take it over and improve it.

>under no illusion that "real" developers couldn't do a better job"
I mean

>under no illusion that "real" developers couldn't do a better job
>implying I'm not a hobbyist

I think most of Veeky Forums would agree that this has potential to be EXTREMELY popular, particularly quickly.

It'd be a shame to waste the opportunity.

On a personal note, I'd really like to try my hand at working an exchange and/or automated trading. Considering the costs of doing this "for real" are insurmountable for a hobbyist, and there aren't any good interactive, at-scale exchange simulators, I'm SOL most everywhere else.
I'd hope you would open up some sort of HFT-compatible API, even if it operates on a different instance of the exchange, or if it has different limitations than a users' direct trading.

Maybe I can create a separate 'developer account' which let's that account trade through an api so you could interface with the exchange. Then you could play with writing HFT bots with no risk.

I can then have a separate leaderboard for who has the best algorithms. Kind of like the Chess AI championships where chess programs are pitted against each other. Having a separate account type makes it easier to separate them from everyone else.

hey m8, I know node,react,redux etc. Make a github repo unless you want this to be a solo project.

As I mentioned in it's partly a personal learning thing at the moment but I fully intend to open it up once I've got it up and running.

I'm writing the data collection/scraping stuff as a stand alone thing separate to the main site so I might open that up much earlier as people might find it useful. Has a few useful utility functions for scraping every thread in a board at once and stuff like that. Might be useful to someone.

/pol/ is looking like an untapped meme market imo

I'd like to restate this question from >Would the memes' value change based on where and how they're posted? i.e. a meme commented on /g/ being valued differently than the same meme on, say, /a/. Further, would an image be valued differently from a text comment?

At the moment there's nothing board specific that effects a meme stocks value. Also at the moment there are no image based stocks because of the difficulty in tracking images that are modified slightly. It's possible to figure out how similar images are to each other using various image analysis techniques but maybe out of scope for version 1.

Do you think boards should effect a memes value? I like the idea that it could spread organically and there not being artificial limits on it's potential to become valuable. Investing in early memes that could spread is actually a good way to speculate on stocks.

As a follow up. Maybe the variety of meme stocks that appear on an individual board could increase that boards stock value? so a board like [s4s] might create value through shear variety. It's something to consider.

I absolutely think that post location (with some other data points about that board) should factor in to the price.

A good starting algorithm would include, using /g/'s "install gentoo" as an example:
- a "home" board for the meme (/g/)
- the "home" board's post rate (medium)
- the home board's propensity to share original memes across boards (low)
- the meme's frequency on the home board
- the meme's frequency on the target board
- the meme's frequency across all boards
- the meme's absolute post frequency (15 utterances per minute)
- the meme's relative post frequency (56th most posted)
- for boards with IDs enabled, the spread of IDs that use it (only having one ID posting it should penalize the cost)
- for boards with country flags enabled, the variety of countries that post it (more countries are typically better)
- Perhaps some seasonality measurements (daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, etc)
- assuming an hourly update rate, the change in post frequencies relative to the last update, the last 6 updates, and the last 24 updates.
- the rate at which people are buying and selling "shares" in this meme

I think users should be able to view some historic values of these measurements, but not necessarily all of them.

And finally, there should be some mechanism to buy shares of a meme across all boards, across predetermined groups of boards, and on a single board. The valuation of these groups and boards would be adjusted for post rate, OC creation, etc.

I would still like to see some way to users trade amongst themselves, but j recognise the difficulty of doing so.

Are you going to make a blog and or kick-starter/patreon. I would like updates and i want to invest in pol everytime there is a happening

>tfw going long in >tfw

I'm
I think I can add a couple more to your list.
- Every board needs its own archive to function.
- A deleted post that contained a meme reduces that meme's value by 2x what the meme stock would gain if it was undeleted. The deleted post is obviously pulled from external archives.
- Posts deleted by mods that contained memes are really bad for the stock and reduce its value by 4x the jumpin stock would have been if the meme would have been used properly.
- Dubs and any kind of repeating digits that contain memes give a bonus of 1.yx to the value of that post. Here, y is the number of repeating digits. 2 for dubs, 3 for trips,etc.
- Memes contained within amazing gets (one million, or 333333 or 55555, gets like that) increase the stock's value by 3x, or if the contents of the get did not contain a new meme, the contents are then added to the database to add a new platinum meme.
- A platinum meme has a multiplier that is inversely proportional to the poularity of the board. So, an amazing get at /po/ would have a greater multiplier than a get at /pol/ or /b/.
- IF any admin/mod/jani/sysdev posts contain a meme, the meme gets a 0.5x boost for a day. 0.5 x is the base multiplier, and increases by 0.1x according to this heirarchy:
sysdev

This sounds super stupid but also great. I will play it. Gwt to work OP

The last part had me thinking user...
If this does go into full effect, wouldnt Veeky Forums just turn into a site where the users are gambling endlessly for fake money? Also, if this does happen, i wouldnt want to see guys just spamming things left and right for a couple bucks. All boards would be cluttered with said posts and nothing else.This is a good project but im not liking the possible aftereffects this will have.

- "Amazing" gets should be self-contained- 99444444 is not an amazing get while 44444444 is an amazing get.
- Board memeberships: Before anyone can start trading, you need to become member of a board. Every board has a certain memebership fine/tax, they take a certain % of your profits in exchange for certain perks and bonuses on certain memes. If you are a memeber of /tv/, then you get a 1.1x bonus anytime "BIG GUY" and "PLANE CRASHING" are used on other boards. Boards with "stable"(long- lasting) memes have a higher multiplier but also have an inherently lower chance of the meem being used on other boards. This list of memes is updated monthly and depends on the total usage of memes on a certain board. Memes CAN change boards but only after a long period of time, and these memes are called "Golde" memes.These have an inherent 1.6x multiplier and are very, very profitable.
- You can reject your current memebership and move to another board but this takes away half of your memecoins.
- "Failed" memes and "Forced" memes:Memes that were once positive but are now negative, are Failed memes. A slight variation on a popular meme is a forced meme. Spelling mistakes count as forced memes (like, bug guy instad of big guy). Both of these have a 0.9x post multiplier.
- Tripfags and namefags are ignored.

I forgot two important variables:
- Number of replies to posts containing that meme
- Whether or not the post is an OP

>- A deleted post that contained a meme reduces that meme's value by 2x what the meme stock would gain if it was undeleted. The deleted post is obviously pulled from external archives.
2x seems a bit high, maybe 1.5x would be more apt, especially since this could be used to manipulate the prices. Also, I doubt the archive owners would appreciate being bombarded every hour.
>- Posts deleted by mods...
Can we tell when mods delete a post, as opposed to the author?
>- Dubs and any kind of repeating digits that contain memes give a bonus...
I have to disagree here, IMHO post numbers should have nothing to do with the value. If the reply count is factored in, this could easily make up for it, as replies to a post can be related to the number of repeating digits.
>- IF any admin/mod/jani/sysdev posts contain a meme, the meme gets a 0.5x boost for a day. 0.5 x is the base multiplier, and increases by 0.1x according to this heirarchy:
>sysdev

>Can we tell when mods delete a post, as opposed to the author?
yes, users can not delete their posts after two minutes.

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All good points. I'm going to try and track as many data points as possible and I'll try and make some of these works too. At the moment I give stocks a starting price of 1 and augment from there but I'm thinking it might be better to start at something like 100 and augment using percentages and fractions to add and remove value based on a list of factors. We have to be careful that there aren't too many influencing factors. One element of the market should be that without enough thought you can speculate with some level of accuracy how future events will effect stock price. I wouldn't want to random factors negatively influencing a stocks price during an even that should logically increase a stocks value. We should distill it down to an algirithm that has multiple factors like you guys have mentioned but contains some logic as to why it effects the stock that way.

A blog is a good idea. I might set one up soon. I have no intention of asking for money though.

I already have ideas for stopping spamming and others have contributed ideas to this effect too. First off, text based memes will only be counted once in a post. Pasting '>tfw' loads into a single post will count once. Because the site is going to be scraped once an hour, there is no guarantee a mod won't delete your shitpost before scraping begins. I'll also look at the memes likelihood of appearing on that board. So if a meme is spammed on a board it's never been on before it won't effect the value very much. If it's sustained over a long time and is indicative of being part of the board culture then it will rise in value.

Gets effects value is a great idea, I think quads and up should count with quads having a minor effect and going up from there. A balance between the quality of the get and how many people replied could be a good indicator of value.

Tomorrow I'll post some pseudo-code that will assign value to stocks so everyone can give input.

>Developer Account
You should probably go with an API key approach, where devs get a flag set on their account that allows them to generate and use up to N active API keys. They can use these keys for one bot instance, but some basic info about the bot has to be provided (language used, version of bot, etc.) before the key is allowed to trade, and the key gets suspended if the bot breaks rules (like rate limits) too many times.

If user-to-user trading ever happens, the balances gathered with API keys should not tradable outside of the main dealer system.

Also, maybe the dev accounts should be able to move profit around between API keys. Say the starting balance for a new bot is 10,000 memecoins. If the bot makes a profit (500mc), then the balance rests at 10,500mc. To prevent cheating, the dev wouldn't be allowed to move any more than the 500mc the bot earned, but if the dev decides to shut down that bot, then he could move that 500mc to another API key he owns.

I like the algorithmic competition aspect too.

Do you have an API spec in mind yet?

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Give me your thoughts.

Algorithm: (specifically for valuing text memes)

let x = meme
let board = the current board that this specific instance of x has appeared on
let value = 100 (cost per share of x, thoughts on base price?)
let num_shares = 50,000 (how should we decide this?, having a market cap is good I think, it can be raised periodically)

for every post on every board that contains x
- if board speed is higher than ‘slow’ OR board is defined as x’s homeboard, add .5% to value
- if x is posted by a tripfag, remove .5% of value
- if x is posted by a
mod: add 10% to value
hiro: add 25% to value
moot: add 50% to value (he’s coming back right?…)
- if x is accompanied by a Get and board speed is above ‘slow’
quads: + 3%
quints: + 5%
and so on for each successive higher level Get, double percentage points if board is 'fast'
- if x gains from being in OP, add .2% to value
- if x loses from being in OP, remove .5% of value
- if x loses from being on board, remove .3% of value (‘redpill me on…’ on /pol/ for instance)
- if x is an [s4s] certified meme, add .5%, certified memes can be voted on by s4s and only a set amount will ever exist at one time, old certified memes will lose bonus when voted out
- for every percentage point of num_shares that have been sold, add .5 to value (+50 maximum addition)

Notes
It's important to understand that this set of instructions is run for EVERY instance of the meme as is appears on all boards. So low additions like ..2% can add up to a noticeable amount.
There are no factors concerning archived or deleted posts, currently these posts are not collected/scraped.
All stock market cap increases will be advertised ahead of time so people can speculate on market reactions
Please suggest modifies that make logical sense as to why they add or remove value to the stock, adding 5% for an arbitrary reason makes the market unstable and impossible to speculate on

I don't currently have a spec in mind but api keys will definitely be used so they can be revoked for going over limits. The api will definitely be build as part of phase 2 after the main site and trading functionality is functional. If you have any more ideas regarding how the API should work I'm all ears. Designing API's isn't my forte. I'll version the API from the start too to avoid breaking peoples bots.

You're late, we already have something like that.
It's called TRUMP

This thread is for discussing the creation of a whole stock exchange, not an individual stock.

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