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Pikachu!

is it delayed for you as well rental?

Just a little. Want to call it?

yeah it's kinda hard to do anything
in that match there those two SDs i was trying to jump and dair immediately but the game just wasn't having any of that

Respect or Honor?

What is your choose?

Reminder that later today (tuesday) at 5:30 PST, 8:30 EST there's yet another weekly Tuesday /ssbg/ Tournament for the Wii U players.

Consider joining cause itll be fun. Also potential prizes

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Will people join this time

is that a question

Swat, if you're here did you save that second Luigi match? I forgot to and I really want to see why you were sent flying in that weird direction.

Why was Brawl so ugly? Was it the lighting?

Yes

Still better than melee

Melee looks fine. Smash 4 looks great and 64 has the retro charm going for it. Something about Brawl just looks off.

Reminder to not play with 30 years old pedophiles wo live in their moms basement

Falco is sleeper OP desu

>Melee looks fine

>play sheik
>fighting a very solid player, obviously knows his shit
>losing 3/4 games, with almost all coming down to last hit
>he switches to sheik and I destroy him every time
It's at this moment I realized Sheik is not worth the effort anymore. Time to mindlessly throw hitboxes around with Cloud or Mario. Fuck this game.

>It's at this moment I realized Sheik is not worth the effort anymore.
I don't get it.
Sheik's overly complicated because someone couldn't use her to sand bag and still win?

Sheik has to put in 10 times the effort just to achieve the results of any other character, and then she can't kill. Why would I put all this effort into a character when it is so obvious that playing a brain dead character would yield better result and be easier on the hands / less stressful?

>has to put in 10 times the effort
Firstly that's not a solid argument, only subjective
>Why would I put all this effort into a character when it is so obvious that playing a brain dead character would yield better result and be easier on the hands / less stressful?
Because based on tournament positioning, Sheik is worth picking up. How many Sheiks do you see winning tournaments in comparison to Nesses?

>Because based on tournament positioning, Sheik is worth picking up. How many Sheiks do you see winning tournaments in comparison to Nesses?
Only one now. Even Zero realized this character is not worth it anymore. You have to play so solid the whole match and kill options are very hard to set up. There's no up smash or kill throw or aerial that will seal stocks. You have to do all this retarded shit just to get their stock off, meanwhile you die at 80 to some retarded mario who likes to press up on the c stick.

And it is not subjective, the 10x was a random amount obviously but Sheik objectively requires a lot more effort than any other character. Even fox and pikachu have better options, and they notoriously have had issues killing.

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>you die at 80 to some retarded mario who likes to press up on the c stick.
That can easily be remedied by paying attention to what move he throws out
Judging by >Time to mindlessly throw hitboxes around with Cloud or Mario
You can make the point that this doesn't seem to be the case with you

>Sheik has to put in 10 times the effort just to achieve the results of any other character
>best character in the game rightfully nerfed
>goes online and makes wildly hyperbolic statements while forgetting the 40+ characters that have to work harder and still accomplish less
She's still a great character.

as a melee/pm player i dont understand how people can mentally endure smash 4 with that many matchups

like when i play i dont even understand half of what's going on plus bayo is like absolutely ridiculous from my standpoint why is she allowed to do what she does lmao

To be fair, Smash 4 hasn't reached the match up depth yet that Melee has in its 15 years

I'm not really interested in having this discussion, it is pretty well known the state of sheik at the moment. If you want to be contrarian then go ahead.

Sheik is not worth the effort required when characters like Cloud, Bayo, Mario, and even Sonic exist.

yeah but you guys have like a billion viable characters like how do you even prepare for that and the endless things that are being discovered for them i'll never understand smash 4 haha

>it's pretty well known the state of Sheik
Again with the subjective argument that you're yet to provide evidence for

If you want to believe that Sheik's not worth it compared to the characters you have listed, go ahead. I'm not stopping you, but people will disagree with empirical evidence

>Sheik is not worth the effort required when characters like Cloud, Bayo, Mario, and even Sonic exist.
For someone going full "tryhard" in a casual setting, you're right she's not.
Those four get a hell of a lot out of nothing and can help bad players perform better without having to actually play better.
The thing is that except for Bayo, they all have limits to what they can accomplish that leave them falling short of what a very well played Sheik can manage.

So if you're just playing Sm4sh to beat people in For Glory, yeah she's not really worth the effort since you can win there with much less.
If you want to beat people in tournaments with significant cash prizes, then Sheik would definitely be worth mastering since her overall power when played well isn't being wasted against bad players.

>totally forgot this thread existed for over half a year
Is it still /ssb4g/, or can you talk about other games here?

>i dont understand how people can mentally endure smash 4 with that many matchups
It's pretty fun. Games with more characters tend to be more popular.

I mean yeah, but not many people come here and talk it up about Melee or the other games

I understand. I just remember being told to straight up leave if I weren't talking about 4. Good to see that's not the case anymore.

I haven't played 4 in a while, and I'm kind of getting back into the hang of things. Thing is, I'm on 3DS, and finding people to play with is kind of difficult (shitty friend system). I'm guessing there are some 3DS players here I might be able to play on occasion?

>I understand. I just remember being told to straight up leave if I weren't talking about 4

It has always been a meme, you dip.

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>I just remember being told to straight up leave if I weren't talking about 4.
>falling for memes

/ssbg/ is now dominated by 3DS players, most Wii U anons left

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Fuck off pedonigger

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BRING BACK CHUBBY PIKACHU

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Looking for a big change from my current characters. Is pic related any fun or viable?

:3

Got buffed a lot recently and is underrated imo

is like luigi without the aerial frame data and tools (ie fireball) to help bait them into a grab
also combomeat is garbage and confirm percents are strict and stop working stupid low

the multijumps dont really make up for the complete lack of mobility, hes like a fucking rock and doesnt have the defensive/spam tools to make it work

so no hes not really fun
okay for memes, not really viable vs a good portion of the cast unless youre patient enough to annoy them into approaching you with crouch

who wants to play some video games?
NNID TheListerMister

Aaah man, if only my internet wouldn't be so shit. I'd join you! I'm always laggy playing smash online...

Not him but couldn't hurt to try.

well whoever you are we could always try now or another time, not like we're losing much
who you?

Ayye lemme check. I think my NNID is GanjaBob, but the ganja part got censored out.

add me and host then, lets see how the connection goes

Sent you a request!

Damn mate, you play a mean Cloud.
Though I did have quite some lag. Jumping 0.5 seconds after clicking the button etc. What if you host the match?

well that delay was horrible and a poor way to end the night
at least we tried

i heavily doubt there'll be a difference but if you insist

Nevermind, mate I'm already done with online. Dem delays...

welp, was worth a shot anyway

Trust me its probably lister not you

he was on FG when i hosted again before he posted about more delays, assuming that was from FG
wouldn't rule that out though ;_;

Filtering macfag was a mistake

Filtering Hoody was a mistake*
Fixed that for you, famalam.

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>Roy in Jigglypuff tier
Was it because he couldn't use Palutena for his ebin lenny meme? Roy's a better and more viable character than half of the ones in the tier above him.

Why do you guys play tr4sh? Play melee instead

>Mewtwo wins one national after forever of everyone thinking he's shit
>suddenly he's Sheik tier
Disregarded

Fun is subjective, I personally find his slowness and lack of reliable approach options too frusterating to main. His combos, while reliable, are really just cookie cutter and repeatetive

>WFT over Falco Doc Shulk PacMan and Roy
>Mewtwo over Mario
I mean I also busted a nut over Aba's run with him but lets not be get fucking retarded now. Mario wins that matchup like nobody's business

>you can't chain grab
Take that, tr4shfags

Don't tell me what to do faggot

>have to get a bunch of old equipment that's no longer manufactured or a good enough PC to run the shitty emulator that is Dolphin
>just to play a game where I can only use 10 characters because the rest are unviable even for friendlies
>so that even then I have to avoid falling through Pokemon Stadium and my opponent hitting an invisible ceiling when I spike them
What's the fucking point?

If your character requires more effort than its worth then it's bad.
However, the effort you need to put into Sheik has been proven to be entirely worth it with Sheik being completely solo viable even after the patch.

What's the point in dropping such a solid character you placed so much effort to learn for a character that's easier but overall performs poorly because of exploitable flaws such as bad recovery and poor range?

This is all my humble opinion but.

>Falco
Bad and one dimensional.

>Doc
Bad Mario.

>Pac-Man
Rosalina, Mario, Villager, ROB, Mewtwo, Fox, Ness, Toon Link, Wario.
He just has too many bad matchups and his entire gameplan is sitting behind a trampoline or hydrant and charging his projectile.
At least Wii Fit Trainer can either outcamp or outbox some of those not to mention she has even or good matchups against characters with an real tournament presence (Sheik, Bayonetta, Ryu).

>Roy
Roy's just a bad Cloud at this point.

>Mewtwo over Mario
Mewtwo's just a slightly better Mario at this point.

>Bad and one dimensional
Fuck off?!

missing a "slows down the game to the point that basically nobody has the patience to tolerate them and their shitty kill confirms" tier

also why the fuck are fox and mario not switched, theres nothing that counters mario hard enough to justify that placing when fox can die at 20% to well-placed gimps from choice characters

Wait, chazo used to rule your gouy's asses, why the sudden change and kick him out?

Can we take some time to appreciate the best character in smash 4?

>Ftilt has insane range and pivots to catch fast characters
>Ungimpable super armour recovery
>5 jumps
>Best Nair in the game
>Dtilt comes out fast enough to stop people punishing smashes/landings with nair
>Uair has unbeatable priority
>Great grab combo's
>Bair killing out of nowhere at 80%
And the disrespect with,
>Lying down
>Amazingly powerful spike
>Dedecide
>Jet hammer
>Dicking on mac by holding inhale by the edge

Not to mention the traps you can do with gordo's and fsmash when people are on the ledge with even a passing knowledge of spacing.

Its's 2016, Dedede S tier.

They've all accepted the new gay way

>Ungimpable super armour recovery

Wii Fit Trainer can win you a regional and place you top 32 at a national.
What can Falco do besides run like he's in low gravity?
Granted, a couple of good Smash players use him on free mid-level players but that's about it.

>theres nothing that counters mario hard enough to justify that placing
Being a very close range fighter and having no real kill confirms, just a quick and safe Smash attack to spam.
Also, disjoints but Smash 4 has no tremendously good disjoints so it's not really a HARD counter, just a slightly bad time for Mario in neutral.

*capes you off the edge*

;)

Honestly how is Nicholas not been party vanned yet? We know his real name, we know his facebook profile, and there is evidence of him posting cp in the discord.

see

One guy doing good with WFT doesn't automatically make the character good. Just one really dedicated user. Now if there was heavier tournament rep...

Then why is Mewtwo high tier now?

just go on and report him, I'm not from usa so I can't do it as easy as you guy people

Technically it's two/three guys.
About the same amount of people who main Ryu in the world.

According to what or who

>he hasn't kept up with it

>tournament was supposed to start 22 days ago
You've been pushing it back week by week because nobody was joining, what's gonna make this one any different?

I miss that cute girl stef, it was fucked of you fags to run her out. She was innocent bruh

If you don't want to answer, just say it.

>>Best Nair in the game
might want to check out this character called zss, she's pretty good

Hey man he went from 2 to a whopping 5 tired old cocksuckers!

We'll see about that when the tourney starts.

Amirrite?

>goes from 6 to 3
Oooh I'll be looking foward to it

ZSS player here, a frame 10 nair is not free, so it can't be the best. I'd give it to Sheik, Luma, Ryu, someone with a frame 3-5 nair that has similar combo potential.

>Vodka
Fucking pussies.

Not really, the most mentioned Wii U player here is a 30 year-old black skeleton that's probably going to be arrested for owning child pornography before the end of the year.

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