xth for there are more nipples than there are people in the world
Ryan Sanders
>WOTLK is widely considered where everything started to go to shit.
I agree and I thought this was obvious to everyone but apparently there are people out there who think WotLK was the shit. It had nice questing areas and I liked Ulduar a lot but shit like Naxx2.0 and the Crusader Colliseum ruined the fucking game for me.
Robert Harris
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Jason Murphy
Needs more draenei.
Mason Murphy
WOTLK was a fun expansion so I can understand where the opinion comes from. You have to look a bit deeper than "what did I enjoy the most" to see all the awful, awful changes that WOTLK added that ended up evolving to the full on awful shit we have now.
Colton James
Not to mention the addition of the LFG tool.
Landon Thompson
>WOTLK is widely considered where everything started to go to shit.
Only ToC and the Dungeon Finder in 3.3 were actually bad though.
On that topic. If I were in charge of prepping WotLK for a Legacy release, I'd combined ToC with the ICC 5 mans balanced for a raid. You compete through ToC, then after beating Anub, with no other way out, you bust through the wall into Forge of Souls, fight you way through Forge, finding a portal to the Pit of Saron where you confront a Scourge Lord. After battling through the Pit, you enter the Halls of Reflection, culminating in an escape from the Lich King himself. I've always thought the ICC 5mans should have been a raid, they're a far better lead in to ICC itself than ToC was.
It would require minor terrain tweaking and a bit of balance work, but honestly I don't think it would be too hard assuming Blizzard still has dev tools compatible with 3.2/3.3.
Brody Wright
>addition you mean extension
Carter Mitchell
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Ian Jackson
>5 mans being made into a joke >bring the player not the class instead of classes bringing unique, powerful tools >super short time to kill in PVP >Arena gear becomes a "grind x time to receive loot" instead of a reward for progressing through the ratings. >multiple raid modes to stretch the same content between casuals/hardcores instead of seperate raids for casuals/hardcores >LFD
Charles Gray
>nostfags
Charles Green
>yfw you can still log in
Sebastian Howard
Who cant log in?
Samuel Green
Needs more Meme Regime
John Peterson
nostcucks
Brody Lee
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Joseph Lewis
But we can, Kronos 2 launched this week and everyone is rushing to 60. I've been ganking kungen fanboys all day
Michael Cox
5mans were always a joke. >m-m-muh Strath muh Scholo People 10manned that shit. I don't give a shit about PvP though honestly. I honestly liked PvP best in Vanilla and BC.
Raid modes and LFD I already mentioned though.
Henry Cox
there are only 4 people in the meme regime from now until the end of time. People need stop forcing the incestral and ralph meme.
Zachary Thomas
this
Brandon Myers
They were pretty challenging in BC.
And no matter how easy you think vanilla 5 mans were, you cant even begin to compare them to the AOE fest we've had every expac WOTLK on (ignoring the few weeks Cata 5mans were good)
Camden Howard
Meme Regime rep here. People who force the ralph meme only add more fuel to the fire. it's a double edged sword. While obviously not being a member, we welcome the memes it creates.
Nolan Butler
I unironically think you guys are really cool
Benjamin Ramirez
Granted, but that's not because the dungeons themselves were easier, it's because Tanks other than Paladins were given viable methods to generate AoE threat. The biggest issue with Post-BC Dungeons is not difficulty, it's design. 5mans after WotLK were creatively sterile. They were laid out like video game levels rather than real places. That's why Scholo and Strath are so loved, they're "real" places that just happen to be dungeons rather than the other way around. This is why so many people give WotLK a pass on the 5 man issue. While WotLK dungeons were easier, they were also places that fit organically into the world.
Juan Morales
>Granted, but that's not because the dungeons themselves were easier, it's because Tanks other than Paladins were given viable methods to generate AoE threat.
Yes, which is part of the design problem. Making every tank able to effortlessly hold threat on a whole pack turned a large pack of mobs from "how the fuck are we gonna deal with this" to "fuck it pop some CDs and burn them down"
Jonathan Evans
Thanks senpai.
Joseph Jenkins
whos the coolest member /wowg/?
Evan Thomas
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Joseph Ramirez
Do I have to actually level everything on the alpha realms to test them at 110?
Evan Cox
N-Nizbun
Isaac Robinson
>having 300+ ms
nah ill pass
Alexander Russell
minigamer realm is automatically 110, I think
don't know if the regular realms are still capped to 108 though
Christian Collins
can i grind 80k gold in a week questing on 3-4 characters?
Nathan Sanchez
That's really the crux of the issue. With things like Shield Wall dropping from 30 minutes to 30 minutes, the ability to pop them on every other trash pack combined with AoE threat made it possible the laugh through it.
I think Blizzard should move away from trying to bring back "hard" CC like Polymorphs in 5mans and move it into a more active role. Short stuns, debuffs, and incapacitates brought by DPS specs, with mobs that will wreck a tank if they aren't used effectively even with CD's up. WoD was a bit like this at the start when everyone was 610-615 and it was neat. Unfortunately everyone just overpowered content 2 weeks in because gearing up was so easy.
Chase Green
>With things like Shield Wall dropping from 30 minutes to 30 minutes,
3 minutes*
Dominic Morris
its tricky though because they want to disarm CC across the game for pvp, so they've been rapidly removing CC so you can't reasonably expect to have good CC in a 5 man given its only 5 people.
Oliver Wright
ive seen people at lvl110 in pve realm dalaran
John Nelson
Members Of What?
Juan Gonzalez
Well blizzard has recently been splitting pvp even further from the rest of the game, so I wouldn't be shocked to see something like polymorph being just completely untargetable on players.
Julian Wood
They should just make the PvP and PvE talent trees mutually exclusive imo. It was really neat being able to make a noticeable difference in days gone by just by using Disarm or Kidney Shot to help the tank out, I liked stuff like that better than hard CC.
Luis Carter
whatg if there was a boss which made you fart but to beat it you uhad to make it make you fart so much that oyu uszed it as a jetpack to reach it 's weak spot
Jackson Morales
None. They're are all the coolest.
Ian Taylor
>Only ToC and the Dungeon Finder in 3.3 were actually bad though. That's wrong, Naxx25 was disappointing to a lot of people for various different reasons.
On top of the first raid tier being just a rehashed vanilla raid, It fell far too short of Sunwell both in quality and difficulty.
How much does the felsteel annihilator sell for on your realms? Think it'll go up or down as we get closer to Legion?
I only just started playing again so it's a bit late to try and raid for it now. Unless I spend the next months gearing up all 10 of my alts to grab it in the prepatch, but frankly spending that time farming gold would probably be easier.
Elijah Moore
look up the honorbuddy addon, it makes tanaan jungle lots of fun
Ian Hall
1.000.000 eu
Jeremiah Gonzalez
It will most likely be reminiscent of the MoP CM sets towards the end of the xpac. People will be rushing to buy it so the prices will probably go up a little bit.
But you're a shitter if you ever contemplate a carry regardless of your excuse.
Jacob Collins
I believe it goes up, because lack of raiding guilds, guilds disband, unless we get HFC 20% boss nerf, even fucking T3 pieces go gold cap, way too much gold
Carter Barnes
So given the very limited number of masteries that actually alter play style in legion and the fact that the mastery for all of the tank specs are simply survivability increases should masteries be given to characters at 10-15 or 55-58 in the case of DKs? They all add a lot of passive power to each spec even before mastery gear becomes available and in the case of blood DK's missing out on that shield makes the earlier half of your leveling just that little less enjoyable
Asher Campbell
It'll end up on the black market anyway, so what's the difference?
David Brown
If HFC gets a 20% nerf, the mount probably won't be available anymore.
William Hill
gold cap willl be 10mil, bots pay 10mil np
Alexander Morris
yes desu, you can enchant looms for mastery, should just be a starting stat
Camden Miller
Difference is gold cap (and auction cap) in Legion is 10m.
Benjamin Wood
Isn't that more reason to buy it now then?
Zachary Russell
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Leo Gomez
So is it possible to transfer large amounts of gold cross-realm by making a new guild and transferring the character to the new realm with all of their gold in the guild bank?
Adam Bell
Yes, unless you like paying significantly more for the same mount for whatever reason.
Angel Flores
You have to do a guild transfer, and that guild has to exist with you as the GM for a few weeks I think.
Nathan Bailey
I doubt we're going to see any changes before the prepatch now. There just isn't enough time left.
Camden Thomas
the blanket raid nerfs aren't really patches, all the enemies just get a zone-wide debuff.
Angel Nguyen
Anyone here play on Emerald Dream?
What side? How's the server?
Adrian Mitchell
can anyone remember when SoO nerfs came? 1month before the exp?
Benjamin Thomas
the heroic to mythic transition was 4 weeks before WoD
James Clark
SoO never got one of those though. The closest it had was the additional upgrade levels, which was months before the prepatch. And HFC has already had that now.
Zachary Gomez
>try 7 days trial to play wod >bg is a clown fiesta
heard something about a new human racial, is that what caused this imbalance?
William Cooper
The top of the arena ladder is something like 90% alliance/10% horde
shits fucked yo
Connor Garcia
Are elemental shamans fun in minigames? I'd also have an unplayed druid which I used to play in resto but I rather heal on my monk. Should I dig out the druid and play boomkin?
PLEASE HELP I CAN'T DECIDE WHAT TO PLAY, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
dont listen to disinfo guy, he wants to be the only person with that dope pvp artifact model that balance druid gets come this new expac
Jonathan Anderson
the balance pvp artifact skin is shit though
Brandon Price
ok disinfo guy, why dont YOU play feral then
Landon Nelson
Because i'm not a minigamer
Charles Reyes
They usually come at the release of the next raid, like when it happened to highmaul and brf when hfc came out
Nicholas Sullivan
Ele looks good in Legion as far as casters go. Huge improvement over live. Too early to say how it will compare to other casters, but I think they'll be in a pretty good place where people can actually have fun playing the spec again.
Liam Richardson
I don't wanna be a nigger with a cat mask, though! Thank you for the warning, is the disinfo guy a lizardperson by any chance? Also, what does the artifact for boomkin look like?
Jordan Russell
>lol the balance skin is shit >im not even going to pvp in ligeon full on damage control disinfo guy, nice try but im gonna get that skin inside the first week
Sebastian Davis
look at this shid, it has an actual eclipsed sun on it, its THE BEST skin, i can't wait to show it off
Xavier Ward
holy shit that looks awful
Hudson Price
disinfo guy said, tears rolling down his cheeks as he realized that more people were finding out about his favourite skin
Jayden Cooper
That looks decent, although I'm not a big fan of scythes. Using banner slicer on my monk xmog BECAUSE IT'S HOT AS SHIT.
Back to the question, is elemental shaman any fun at the moment? I play on US from EU so the latency is kinda annoying for most melee classes, hence I prefer casters.
Go away, Lizardman.
Hunter Kelly
Why use that when every other skin for it is better
Hudson Wood
Are druids the muslims of WoW?
Asher Richardson
DRUID HARAM SHAMAM HARAM IMAM HALAL
Asher Myers
>The symbol of islam represents an eclipse that took place thousands of years ago (Balance anyone?) >They don't eat meat, they don't drink alcohol either >Both muslims and druids love nature >They have their own Mecca (Moonglade) where only other Druids are allowed inside >They worship a moon goddess, Elune. Allah started out as a moon god originally.