The west is more marxist then russia now

>Elaborate
I'm saying Gorbachev fucked up and opened up the Eastern bloc to hardline nationalists and global capitalist interests and as such Russia is not in any way Marxist.

The second point was that the west isn't Marxist at all. But I suppose I should ask what OP thinks is Marxist about the west?

the cultural aspect

decay of family, decay of the nation state, and decay of religion

>giving answers
Op didn't ask a question

A society that values equality over liberty will have neither :^)

They did though, "long march through the institutions" and all that.

>Decay of family
>Decay of the nation state
>Decay of religion
I would hazard that Russia is a worse offender for all of these on the count it's a haven of prostitution, it's never even been a nation state and it's like 30% atheist.

the West is also more Nazi than Germany. It's still a tiny, tiny minority.

>the west is more marxist then russia now
It's not. The commie party is one of the biggest in Russia, whereas Communists are ultra-irrelevant in the west except in some meme countries like Greece.

I agree, they're mutually inseparable. Additionally private property is the exact opposite of liberty.

>le cultural marxist meme

You should actually kill yourself if you get the chance.

Prostitusion is legal in Amsterdam

>Prostitusion is legal in Amsterdam
Yes and all of the prostitutes in Amsterdam are Russians

...

that's right user, the goyim will believe our free market ideas soon

>Posts some tumblr cartoon
do you have a point?

Made legal by Dutch politicians who were voted in by Dutch people

fugin jooz :DDDD

Dutch people who would never consider working in that place.

oh shut the fuck up

Yes I do and it is that there is an influential portion of mainstream culture that promotes "cultural marxism" (i.e. the destabilization of traditional values).

>spouts memes
>expects to be taken seriously

Oh shit I completely forgot about the chapter in Das Kapital where Marx goes off on a tangent about wanting to cut his dick off

>"cultural marxism" (i.e. the destabilization of traditional values).
That's literally an internet meme. It's an absolutely retarded basis to say that the West is more Marxist than Russia when the communist party is one of the biggest parties in Russia, and communists are practically non-existent in the west.

That's capitalism fault. Not cultural marxism.

Well he was Jewish by birth...

Really? I remember it pretty vividly, it's the part where he advocates for wealth redistribution. I mean if the party is entitled to your earnings, why shouldn't they be entitled to your cock and balls too?

Prostitutes in Amsterdam are disproportionately Slavic.

this desu senpai

He was born Christian, his dad was Jewish by birth.

are you so sure

is a question still a question if there's no question mark

>it's the part where he advocates for wealth redistribution
When did he advocate for that?

>The nationalities of the peoples associating themselves in accordance with the principle of community will be compelled to mingle with each other as a result of this association and thereby to dissolve themselves, just as the various estate and class distinctions must disappear through the abolition of their basis, private property.

>All religions so far have been the expression of historical stages of development of individual peoples or groups of peoples.

>bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.

feel free to read a book

>implying they arent one and the same

It's a meme alright but it's not just on the internet.

Are you seriously suggesting that the increase in tranny related programming is the result of the demands of average Americans and not top-down social conditioning? So Joe Sixpack from Duluth really wants pic related to be on tv?

LMAO

Doesn't look like it has shit for a budget or market appeal desu

Those stills look cringey.

The West invented Marxism lmao

>people STILL think marxism = communism

>People in different regions of the world have different tastes

Shit, how did you know?

the bloke wrote the communist manifesto I'm pretty sure they're not dissimilar

In order for workers to gain control of the means of production it is necessary to redistribute capital assets.

This was the highest-selling issues of Vanity Fair in five years, does that tell you something?

>traditional values are under attack
noone's stopping anyone from having your traditional values and going to church

No marx planned on removing the idea of property not redistributing it lmao

You're thinking of european socialism which was completely seperate

marxism is a school of thought that only focuses on materialism

communism is a radical application of that philosophy in the real world

ops question kinda makes sense i guess

But you aren't necessarily redistributing anything, you're just dissolving the legal protections that make "private property" a thing. Additionally the second point of that post

> I mean if the party is entitled to your earnings
Implies "wealth redistribution" as used by liberals, rather than loosely describing the communist ambition of worker control of the means of production.

Not true, you should be free to have property. The government is there to ensure access to necessities like education, security and healthcare, as well as regulate abuses.
People should be free to own, to speak, to act without infringing, to live and to die.

Yep that print media is dying and has to rely on shock value to boost interest.

By removing the idea of property you ARE redistributing it; my property is no longer mine because it belongs to everyone now...

Capitalism has no regard for traditional or cultural values. It's aim is to create a standardized world where everywhere is the same.
Same housing, same hotels, same restaurants, same airports, same clothing stores etc.
People like Bruce Jenner are a victimes of capitalism. People which have so much, but they still aren't happy, they want more. So that's why he convinced himself that he's a women and made that surgery. I bet deep down he still isn't happy.

Cultural marxism has nothing to do with marxism. It's a counter-conspiracy to make conspiracy theorists appear even more crazy. Like the Flat earth
And no, i'm not a communist. I think communism and capitalism are biggest failure models of the 20th century. I believe we need something new.

it belongs to nobody
so anyone can use it

Have property, yes, personal property that is. Private property on the other hand is theft of the highest order and must be annihilated in order for the overwhelming majority of the population (including everyone ITT probably) to fully actualize their freedom without the fruits of their labour being robbed on the spooky basis of private property.

Also ideally the government shouldn't be there at all.

>Yep that print media is dying and has to rely on shock value to boost interest.
Capitalism at its finest, do you have a problem with that?

Yes it's been redistributed from belonging to me to belonging to no one/everyone.

The point is everybody else in media is for this stuff. So my family in 200 years may eventually transition to a relgionless statelss familyless society. I know you cant conceptulaize things that are beyond your biological self because you're Marxist, but i dont want that.

But you aren't, nothing has changed except the state isn't enforcing your claim to property anymore. The "property" in question wasn't given to anyone else, it was just done away with.

Likewise if your computer were to vanish into thin air it wasn't redistributed from someone to no one, it simply ceased to be.

You have a very abstract idea of "redistribution"

If your descendents in 200 years want to be communists then fair enough. But it's not really any of your business, nor is it even in your power no matter what's going on in the wider world.

mark and engels literally wrote about the changing of culture under marxist thought. How the fuck is it a conspiracy theory?

>there are people who will believe that
The USA had ALWAYS been quite odd and 'progressive' when compared to Europe, Russia and the rest of the world.
Even if we just take that picture, those 'tradtional values' aren't as traditional as you think. I mean a women kissing a complete stranger in the middle of the road? That's just 'degeneracy'. The entire anti-colonialist notion the US sported through it's existence went quite against the idea of western superiority embedded within european imperialism.

If I own a factory and Marxists take over, that factory doesn't "vanish into thin air" it becomes an asset of the "community;" what was once my factory is no longer my factory because it has been "redistributed."

>But it's not really any of your business
it literally is. I want to show them what it means to be human. I dont want them to fall into the trap of materialism.

>If you abolish private property the institutions reliant on private property will crumble

>Therefore cultural Marxism

It's like you're looking for a conspiracy

>Progressivism
>Marxist
wat.
Progressivism is so american it deep fried and dipped in butter

>The point is everybody else in media is for this stuff. So my family in 200 years may eventually transition to a relgionless statelss familyless society. I know you cant conceptulaize things that are beyond your biological self because you're Marxist, but i dont want that.

Not everyone in the media is against it, there is right wing media, that's becoming bigger and more popular every day, because people like alternatives.

If your family want to transition to new values today or 200 years from now, that's their choice. If they started enforcing their choices on you, would you be happy?

Everyone can conceptualize things that happen after their own deaths, people are just saying that the ability to conceptualize disappears after death, for obvious reasons.

What you want is again irrelevant to what other people want. You have your stuff, they will have theirs - is this really so hard to understand.

Your post is a train wreck, a disaster and you are really really bad at this, and generally incredibly memed up.

But it hasn't, the factory isn't anyone's property anymore. The material makings of the factory are still there, but any air of property to it is about as present as the gaps in your fingers. It has ceased to be property, it wasn't given to anyone but rather the institutions that allowed you to claim it have just been done away with.

I'm arguing that the fact that there is even a mainstream market for tranny related content is evidence of how traditional values have been subverted by media and academic cultural Marxism.

Noone's stopping YOU from being as traditional as YOU want.

YES I KNOW IT NOT MY PROPERTY ANYMORE BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT USED TO BE MY PROPERTY BUT NOW IT IS NOT MY PROPERTY AND THIS MEANS THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT TRANSFORMED WHAT WAS ONCE MY PROPERTY INTO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT MY PROPERTY. THIS SOMETHING IS CALLED REDISTRIBUTION.

The whole fucking point is that the average person dosent look at these things as institutions based on private property. And a very materialistic and marxist person simply looks at them as an ebil social constructs and seeks to dismantle them because muh hate speech.

>So Joe Sixpack from Duluth really wants pic related to be on tv?
No but Jane Sixpack from California does.

Then do so, but at the end of the day only they can make that call.

This isn't really a matter of anything really but your limited power in shaping the future. Maybe they will be traditionalists, maybe they will be communists, but no one alive today has the power to force their beliefs into the future. The best you can hope to do is share your beliefs with your children, but even then it's up to them to reject or embrace them.

thats what im fucking saying.

I dont think you know what distribution means

>it's up to them to reject or embrace them.
NO! They will have my beliefs, because my beliefs are right and traditions must last forever. My traditions.

Everyone must have my values, or I can't enjoy my community/country anymore.

Unless I own a bakery and a couple of homos want me to make them a wedding cake.

Or unless I don't want men in dresses to use the same bathroom as my daughter.

Or unless I don't want a sexual deviant to be my son's boy scout leader.

Yes, the institutions that allowed you to lay claim to "property" are gone. It was redistributed from one party to another, it's that what once was is no more.

The material makings of the factory haven't gone anywhere, but rather the concept of the factory being property is just lifted.

Jane Sixpack with a degree in Gender Studies from Shekelberg University? You don't say!

Then maybe there's been a miscommunication here.

I'm saying it's none of your business because it's beyond your power.

No. The state just stopped enforcing property rights. Bloody statists, always wanting the government to do everything for you.

this is not Marx's fault senpai, blame american individualism

>implying I can't enforce my own property rights with a little help from Smith & Wesson

>implying the commies wouldn't violate my property rights with Kalashnikovs.

How does trannies using toilets affects your daughter

You have a point about the cake constituionally, but how does you baking a cake, as you would bake for any other couple really affect you being traditional in your own personal life

i agree about the sexual deviant thing, though that was common place before and has been for a long time, so..

You can't shit on other people's freedoms just to preserve a group's traditional values, simple as that and if those values are against freedoms, those values must make way

>It's okay when I use guns to enforce by abstract concept but when people try to contest my force with guns it's a violation of """"""""""property"""""""""" """""""""""rights"""""""""""

It is actually capitalism though.
Consider
>trannies become accepted and treated as normal
>becoming one isn't as taboo as it was
>surgeons, cosmetics and medical industry rake in that dough

what do you mean its beyond my power? Im going to raise a child how i see fit. Im going to nurture the best family values and urge him to pass them on and to do the same. If enlightenment values get lost in the future oh well, i did my part. Saying you have little influence on the future generations and their ideology, therefore you shouldnt try is stupid

What about my daughter's freedom to be free from exposure to sexual paraphilias?

You can't just dismiss people's beliefs over "muh freedom" because that sword cuts both ways.

>trannies become accepted and treated as normal
>becoming one isn't as taboo as it was
>surgeons, cosmetics and medical industry rake in that dough

I wonder who could be behind this?

>freedom to be free from exposure to sexual paraphilias?
no such freedom
your daughter doesn't have a clue about any of that anyway

it's a little shitty you are using your probably hypothetical daughter as a shield in your losing arguments instead of using yourself, because that's who really matters

it's really shitty

You want to violently steal?