Why are alt rightists allergic to nuance?

Second option bias I think it's called.

One discovers that a popular narrative is heavily oversimplified and often largely inaccurate, but instead of analyzing it critically and finding out for themselves what's true and what isn't they'll decide that anything that contradicts that narrative is true and anything that supports it is false.

>anarchists
>alt-right
t. anti-state liberal

Anarchism isn't inherently left wing, it's just that most anarchists are anarcho-syndicalists or anarcho-communists or socialist anarchists.

>Anarchism isn't inherently left wing
yeah there's post-left anarchism
anarcho-capitalism is anti-state liberalism that has nothing to do with anarchist political philosophy though

Why are the neoliberals still so fucking salty over Brexit?

Because it is not a coherent ideology. Political ideology is formed on the basis of having a goal (how society is organized) and a method (how it is achieved). From what I understand, the Alt-Right does not have any of these. The closest thing to a goal is electing Trump but Trump himself is so disorganized as a political player that it is uncertain what exactly he would do. He said he is for a Single-payer Healthcare System, which is Liberal, but is obviously against Illegal Immigration and wants to build a wall, which is Conservative. We simply do not know what he envisions for America. The method, however, is achieved by voting for Trump. The Alt-Right is not a fully fleshed ideology and it will never be.

Personally, It's an autistic mishmash of edgy high schoolers who listen to Milo and White Nationalsits like Jared Taylor and Spencer. Because of these guys "directing" the movement, I don't think it will gain any proper cohesion.

'Liberal' and 'conservative' are arbitrary as fuck and mean next to nothing these days. And by the way, wanting to build a wall would be nationalist, neither liberal or conservative.

It's not liberal because liberals are obsessed with white guilt and anything that hints of a predominantly white nation asserting its own interests above others makes them REEEE, and it's not conservative because conservatives worship neoliberalism and 'the free market'. They love the idea of impoverishing poor people even further.

So you're a white nationalist. It's okay to say it.

>liberal and conservative dont mean anything
>thats not conservative
>let me define liberal for you

This. I wanna see that faggot OP write hrrrrrr when he was the one whon called them here!

making fun of black people now? thats low.

>'Liberal' and 'conservative' are arbitrary as fuck and mean next to nothing these days. And by the way, wanting to build a wall would be nationalist, neither liberal or conservative.

Eh. It really depends what you mean and the context it was given. I admit I was being vague, but the general point is that being Liberal (in the US) is being for a bigger Gov't whilst being Conservative is being for a smaller Gov't. It's Liberal to be for Single-Payer Healthcare/Obamacare while it's Conservative to be against, for example, Workers Rights, Maternity Benefits, Gov't funded Healthcare, etc.

>nationalist

How so? it's Conservative in nature, along the lines of Paleoconservative really.

>It's not liberal because liberals are obsessed with white guilt and anything that hints of a predominantly white nation asserting its own interests above others makes them REEEE, and it's not conservative because conservatives worship neoliberalism and 'the free market'. They love the idea of impoverishing poor people even further.

What you've said here has nothing to do with what has been said so far

Let me put it this way: Liberals and conservatives are no more arbitrary in their positions than alt-rightists appear to be to liberals and conservatives. How can you claim to be a neoliberal when you're constantly trying to invade and rebuild foreign countries? Or trying to stop fags from getting married and women from having abortions? By the same token, how can you claim to care about the oppressed while supporting neoliberal policies that oppress poor people and justifying it because the people being used as part of that oppression are swathes of poor brown people? These are not coherent or sane wings of politics. The alt-right is just an upset, no more or less crazy than any of them.

I'm a nationalist. I think multi-racial societies can prosper, but they seem to be much easier to tear apart.

Because neoliberalism is distinct from classical liberalism. That's why they call it neoliberalism.

>some people have contradictory opinions
>therefore political movements mean nothing

If you classified people by every single one of their opinions, you'd have a party for every seat in Congress.

>some people have contradictory opinions
>therefore political movements mean nothing
This is exactly what the user I was initially responding to said about the alt-right. That's why I wrote what I did in the first place.

My bad famalam. I came in from the front page.

It's just angst really, they're fundamentally in the same mindset as edgelord atheists were when that whole trend started. There's massive overlap between anti-feminist/anti-liberal e-celebs because the general viewpoint of disaffected young males changed from anti-religious to anti-feminist.
Many of them are simply angry about a growing lack of white identity in the Western world. They lack nuance because they're a reactionary movement fueled by the opposition. Why do you think they support Trump?

But then you said
>liberals are

A bit of irony there, but it does pretty much prove you're basically a reactionary.

More importantly why aren't the alt-right capable of laughing at themselves. Honestly communists and anarchists will joke about themselves all the time, but I hardly ever see reactionaries doing it.

>a lack of white identity
I hate this meme. White isn't an identity any more than black or Asian are. Every single person on Earth has a different experience, exposure to culture, and therefore identity.

Race politics poison everything.

The real question is this going to amount to anything?

If that's how you need to convince yourself you're more sophisticated than me, go ahead.

Well, I mean, this thread is about how alt-rights lack nuance, which you clearly demonstrated. You literally based your position on what you thought the opposition believes. That's textbook reactionary.

lol.......

*cringe*

What is your argument?

Not an argument.

*white identity*

Because there is no need to have an ethnic 'identity' the same way 'blacks' or 'hispanics' do when you're represented in every city on the world in advertising billboards and videos, when everybody wants to suck up to you, hire you and be you.

ITT alt-rights lacking nuance

Maybe we need an ethnic "identity" because every race in the world hates us because we are born white and they are not.... because they instantly discount our accomplishments as a result of our race and not of our hard work... because we are constantly told by governments, by the media, by teachers/professors, and by other races to be ashamed of our heritage and our race...

Whiteys be all on CNN blaming nignogs for being criminals n shiet and genetically prone to violence

Why do you retarded people act like you're the only people in the world being victimized?

Truly it is white males who are the most oppressed victims in need of social justice...

> because every race in the world hates us
I don't get why people assume this. Congratulations you can find non-whites that hate whites. Same is true for literally ever other group talking about every other group.

I base my arguments on what I think other people believe, yes. It's a fundamental part of making a point.

The alt right is just counter culture,as the modern liberals were counter culture in the 60's.Most alt rightist,are just young people that need time to develop a cohesive ideology.Most of them ending supporting fascism,Hoppeism and in some cases traditionalism

You do realize the anti-Semitism that was popular 100 years ago almost perfectly mirrors the anti-white sentiment of today, right? Like, pretty much exactly what people were claiming about the Jews, they're now claiming about whites.

Ants!

Tbf to alt-rights, those things really only matter if you feel like you benefit from them, and since a lot of them are poor, don't have jobs/have shit jobs, have bad social life, and/or are struggling in school, they practically speaking don't benefit on an individual level. Since the vast majority of people long to be part of some type of group, especially when they are struggling with life, it makes sense that they would turn to some type of group identity based on something like whiteness the same way they see black and Latino people doing.

Wait a sec, I thought you guys also hated the jews and blame them for everything wrong.

This is EXACTLY what OP's talking about; lack of nuance.

What if I told you the way people felt towards an entire ethnicity isn't monist? If everyone hated you, why is it so easy for a white guy to go into any nonwhite country and find a partner much more easily than a native of their same financial and physical caliber?

Why is it every fictional world or piece of entertainment has over the top eurocentric overtones, while demonising asiatic ones and using them as the enemy?

Ashamed of your heritage and race? Are you fucking kidding me? Look at your history syllabi, you study white people from ancient times until WW2 and until modern times; Persia, China, India and other bastions of civilisation are entirely left out in some curriculums.

Your selection bias is something you should've overcome when you were five years old, but it's not too late.

Playing the victim card this hard

>Hoppeism
Off to the gas chambers with you

Mate I wish it was that way but it isn't. I go to one of the most expensive private schools in Sydney (am 18) and I know a couple of kids (who are average academically but obviously financially privileged) who by right into the alt-right agenda.

Lol no. There are literally no parallels

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>You do realize the anti-Semitism that was popular 100 years ago almost perfectly mirrors the anti-white sentiment of today, right?
Of course. Just look outside and see all the pogroms against white people.

I'm not a fucking emissary of /pol/, I'm not here to defend their Jew hatred, dude. If it wasn't for Jews, I wouldn't have Kubrick or Coen brothers movies, so they're pretty cool in my book.

And that has nothing to do with my point.

>I know a couple of kids (who are average academically but obviously financially privileged) who by right into the alt-right agenda.
probably just edgelords tbqh

If you're a reactionary and like to just make shit up, yes.

The Holocaust didn't happen 100 years ago, you historical illiterate. And besides, it came after decades of blaming the Jews for being privileged and insular and discriminating against everyone else and running the world.

You know, exactly the kinds of things that it's popular to say about white people right now.

Hmm okay, most of the ones I know here in the US are like I described; maybe there's a difference between high school alt-right and the rest of the alt-right. Still, do they have fairly poor social skills? I can understand wanting to belong to something, even if you're well off. I also think a generally dying optimism about the future in millennials and whatever the subsequent generation is called has fueled the alt-right.

Sorry to spoil it for you but alt right is not popular among younguns.

>And that has nothing to do with my point.
Your point makes no sense though. I get the feeling that you don't really know much about the persecution of Jews in the early 20th century.

Where are the organized pogroms against white people? Where are the systemic laws created to oppress white people? (And don't say affirmative action because that hurts Asians more than white people)

>but alt right is not popular among younguns
Yes it is.Only young people knows about it or identify as such.

>not know what a pogrom is
>confusing ruskies and nazis
>calling someone historically illiterate
Sure is /pol/

>The Holocaust didn't happen 100 years ago, you historical illiterate.
>The only pogrom was the holocaust
Are you brain damaged? I was referring to the early 20th century not WW2 you mongoloid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom#List_of_events

Alt-right being mostly young people is different from alt-right being popular among young people.

>Why is it every fictional world or piece of entertainment has over the top eurocentric overtones,
Because the people making these things are most likely white and the books and stories that influenced fantasy where heavily based in European folk lore. Even if say an american black guy decided to make a fantasy story, he'd probably be strongly influenced by these things if he didn't deliberately search for other sources of information.
>while demonising asiatic ones and using them as the enemy?
Now that is just making shit up.

>is different from alt-right being popular among young people
It is only popular among young people.

Your point is wrong though. 100 years ago everybody hated Jews, but Jewish achievement and Jewish history wasn't being taught in the schools of every major city of the world, Jews weren't presented disproportionately in goyim areas in advertising and fashion models and Jews didn't comprise 90% of the top 100 richest people

They'll probably outgrow it, but it's still kind of appalling to watch how the shittiest parts of Internet culture, whether left or right, trickle up so easily

Their social standing is alright, in fact one of the guys is really good with girls. I don't see why there would be dying optimism for them, even if they can't find a job all of them have familial connections that would land them a comfortable well paying job. Also perhaps its because this trend within them started from one particularly charming alt-right guy who's really good at talking (who ironically, is from Hong Kong and supports the CCP) I think there's definitely (or hopefully) a difference between high school alt-righters and the 'alt right' neckbeard archetype. This group is also pretty multiethnic (3 white guys, a Hapa, a Chinese guy and a half Persian half white guy), i don't really get how they come to their conclusions lol

Depends on how you define 'popular'. The vast majority of younguns are apolitical with left inclinations and some with right inclinations, and in the 10 (generous figure)% that are seriously politically inclined, most are 'SJWs'

The point is that, whites are not lacking any representation in media or entertainment and quite frankly are overrepresented; so whining about being underrepresented is stupid.

Look at Asians represented in most movies and almost every blockbuster; they're sidelined, depicted as a comical enemy (the serious enemy always has to be white) or are disposable fodder.

While that may be true, a lot of alt-rightists seem to think every Trump supporter and every Brexit voter were alt-rightists, which is not the case. If you look at Trump's Facebook page or any of those ridiculous Brexit supporting pages, the vast majority of their supporters are middle-aged or older, and there's a lot of minorities who also talk about why they support those and get lots of likes. Same with Pauline Hanson in Australia

Because /pol/ and TRS made it popular with 16-year olds. Plenty of nuance with far-right thinking

>Where are the organized pogroms against white people?
In Africa, and largely ignored by the same people who couldn't bleat enough about the evils of apartheid.

>Thinking the holocaust was a pogrom
Please go back to /pol/. You really don't belong here. You know nothing about history. No one likes you.

I was going to green text where you were making up statistics or stating conjecture as facts, but it ended up being your entire post, so instead here is your (you) LOL

Nice argument f4m. I'm now a proud defender of Europa and I will impregnate 5 Aryan women with 3 children each to save our beautiful race from the Semitic Climate Change Zion conspiracy.

Well you can read Veeky Forums for nuance or you can read Paul Gottfried's book on Carl Schmidt for nuance.

Sub-saharan africans and their progeny are genetically prone to criminality

>In Africa
You mean the are of the world where everyone genocides everyone? Wow that's definitely comparable to a multi-decade campaign of systemic violence against a singular ethnic group.

Let's be real here. There definitely is violence perpetrated against whites in Africa and it's bad, but comparing it the pogroms is ridiculous and disingenuous.

>Your point is wrong though. 100 years ago everybody hated Jews, but Jewish achievement and Jewish history wasn't being taught in the schools of every major city of the world, Jews weren't presented disproportionately in goyim areas in advertising and fashion models and Jews didn't comprise 90% of the top 100 richest people
The point remains that the average
What are you talking about? Jews have been disproportionately represented in Hollywood since its very inception. So clearly, yes, they were very disproportionately representing goyim fashion and advertising.

>Trump supporter and every Brexit voter were alt-rightists, which is not the case
I know this.But people like Molyneux or Milo are popular amongst young people,and those are basically mainstream "alt-righties".It is pure counter culture,which is mostly done by young people,as it happened in the 60's with the sexual liberation,secularization,anti-racism and 2nd wave feminism.The difference that the counter culture right now is to be religious,traditional and racist

Learned it from blacks, jews and hispanics

Gotta play by ya'll's rules

>Wow that's definitely comparable to a multi-decade campaign of systemic violence against a singular ethnic group
Get back to me the next time riots burn city districts to the ground because someone killed a white guy in self-defense.

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>Maybe we need an ethnic "identity" because every race in the world hates us because we are born white and they are not.

Jesus Christ this is such a fucking stupid meme.

You guys are the standard of beauty (not even wrongly, white people are pretty damn good looking), you are at the forefront of pretty much all media, are richer than almost everyone else (whether this is because of muh oppression or because whites are just smart is irrelevant), and still pretty much rule the world, though no longer through military force.

By the way, no one's making you be ashamed of your heritage. If you're an Italian and say you're proud to be from the same line as Michelangelo and Caesar (no wewuzism please), no one will bat an eye. If you're German and say you're proud that your country has birthed so many great mathematicians and scientists, no one will call you a bigot. It's only when you start saying "hurr hurr I'm proud to be white" that people look at you weird because identifying with something as nebulous and difficult to define as 'white' is fucking dumb. And before you ask, yes, the idea of 'black nationalism' or 'mestizo nationalism' are fucking dumb too.

Oh but you get made fun of by limp-wristed lefties and there are affirmative action programs so clearly the whole world is against you and there's some massive conspiracy to destroy the white race.

So, no, contrary to what you believe, the world is not all about you and we don't spend all of our time sitting around talking about how much we hate whitey.

Get over yourself.

>as it happened in the 60's with the sexual liberation,secularization,anti-racism and 2nd wave feminism.
It's nowhere near as widespread or popular.

Well gee shucks, that's mighty neighborly of ya.

>my opponents are wrong!
>let me debase myself to their level and be wrong too!
Are you serious?

>It's nowhere near as widespread or popular.
Yes,it is still counter culture

To be fair, most blacks don't know a single thing about their African heritage considering the way that they made their way to the Americas and very much stripped of their native culture.

This is why you get WE WUZ as a shallow attempt to mimic Caucasian behaviors you described. As far as black herritage goes, most American blacks can really only identify as black Americans.

>Get back to me the next time riots burn city districts to the ground because someone killed a black guy in self-defense

Last time I checked protests and marches hardly equal burning a city down. Unless you mean situations like Ferguson. "Riots" which led to no deaths.

>Are you kidding me!

FTFY

Good post

>every race in the world hates us
Really? Asians hate you? Indians hate you?

Okay, it's a counter culture, I didn't deny that. Emo music and cutting yourself was considered counter culture at one point. But it's not popular. They're just very loud and say extremely edgy things, moreso than hippies.

LOL, you're still peddling this shit right after five white cops were murdered specifically for being white and being cops, and BLM was chanting it wanted dead cops in the streets beforehand.

People like you are why the alt-right exists. :^)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#In_the_United_States

It's a reasonable inference to conclude that violent criminality is directly influenced by testosterone (see: the vast contrast in the % of violent crimes committed by males vs females)

jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/6/506.extract
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10604704

Blacks have higher average testosterone levels than other races

Thus, black men are prone to violent criminality moreso than other races

You're basically him, just on the other side.

Nice Reddit meme btw have an upboat

>Okay, it's a counter culture, I didn't deny that. Emo music and cutting yourself was considered counter culture at one point. But it's not popular. They're just very loud and say extremely edgy things, moreso than hippies.
People like Le pen or Weert are becoming very popular amongst the youth.The movement is smaller than the 60's counter culture movement ,but it still has some kind of support in some places

>5 white people being killed is equivalent to genocide against the white race
AHAHAHA

If crime is directly linked to testosterone then why blame blacks? Shouldn't we be killing all men?

So if I said I'm proud to be of European ancestry, no one would get upset at that?

Because that's effectively what we're saying when we say we're proud to be white