/4xg/ - Stellaris, Civilization & 4X Strategy General

>AKA NOT Rome
t. heinrich

It's pretty obvious you're just pretending to be retarded man.

>greek
>roman
>white

>Eastern Roman Empire.
>Not Rome.

complain on paracuck forums so they'll add reasonable victory conditions

>tfw downloading stellaris mods from russian site because the workshop downloader doesn't work

>game's only victory conditions are galactic conquest and destroying all enemy factions
>game actively stops you from conquering and destroying your enemies even when you have the means to
Fun times

anybody here has the mod for bigger fonts on crusader kings 2? I have it pirate and can't find where to download it, if you have it legit, could you please upload that mod somewhere? it should be at documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod

>Eastern
>Roman
>Empire

>people still don't understand that Collectivism in Stellaris is meant philosophically, not politically
>as in, like a bee or ant hive society
>people still don't know that Terrans are an individualist species and any attempts at collectivism end up horrifying, i.e. Japan's suicide rate
>still don't realise that attempts at individualism by a collectivist species would be equally tragic/horrifying
Why do people see everything through the lens of human history?

greeks fleeing the turks =/= Rome

Quite literally in every sense not Rome, it hadn't been the capital for over a thousand years and not part of the empire at all for just under a thousand, I'm not sure what you aren't getting here

Because memes

What is the most meme race in this game?
What is the most meme ideology in this game?

>Japan
>collectivist
You fucking what.

So there are building time reductions and construction time reductions: What are the differences?

human militarist collectivist materialist

surface buildings vs ships I think

>Japan
>not all about adhering to expectations of the collective
>credit for accomplishments is credited to the group
>disabled people are relentlessly bullied because they are deemed a burden to society
Do you even know ANYTHING about Japan?

Xenophobe. Gives you nothing useful, only picked by edgy kids who want to be ebin exterminators.

>Roman customs
>Roman language in official use for centuries after Rome fell to barbarians
>The eastern half of the Empire, centralized in Constantinople, which acted as the capital of the Empire for centuries
>not Roman
>not Roman

city of rome =/= roman empire

>i watch lots of anime
fucking cool

>stupid sexy xenophobes
What did Paradox mean by this?

>30 posts in
>/pol/ already shitting up the thread with politics.

>Caring about aliens
>Caring about fictional aliens in a fictional universe.

shut up you meme

Yeah, we better rev up that classic Veeky Forums discussion.

Ok, but you're still wrong if you are implying the Renaissance was Rome, it was Florence

This is the fate of every general thread I've ever seen. It doesn't matter if it's Dark Souls, if it's Dwarf Fortress, if it's GSG, if it's Monster Girl Quest, if it's Undertale, it's all the same. It's all a fucking meme just like this existence.

>not all about adhering to expectations of the collective
That's not true at all you dumb fuck. In the first place there's no "collective" of Japanese people, they put family first and tend to not give a fuck about anyone outside their inner circle.
>credit for accomplishments is credited to the group
Also not true at all. The Japanese are ruthlessly competitive on a personal level in pretty much all spheres of society, but mask this with a veneer of humility to maintain politeness. Humility =/= collectivism.
>disabled people are relentlessly bullied because they are deemed a burden to society
Yeah because kids really care about "being a burden to society" you dumb twit. It's obvious you know nothing about Japan and have never visited there. People get bullied there for the same reasons as everywhere else: they don't fit in. Being different and noticeably weird is reason enough. Japanese bullying is only unique in the sense that it tends to be passive aggressive rather than directly confrontational.

Stop acting like you know anything about a culture you've never spent time in just because you watch anime.

>It's all a fucking meme just like this existence.

Memes are the DNA of the soul after all.

What's the best government type and why is it objectively divine mandate?

There's no other way to keep a flat +50% slavery acceptance for ANY race in your empire without ethics drift. That combined with the requisite spiritualist happiness buff means maximum expansion and resource extraction earlygame, that turns to a net neutral once you get the genetic calibration leader techs lategame (when you should be happiness-capped regardless through social welfare and empire wonders).

>Not being a dictatorship then researching to make it a Star Empire

can you even read?

In all seriousness though xenophobia lets you enslave and purge alien populations without annoying your loyalist pops.

Also, so what if anyone wants to roleplay the space nazis or whatever? Not like the game has any more depth other than what you make of it.

>lategame minerals and food
wow I have to asininely top off sector inventories 20% more often since I hit the cap more often. What a great bonus.

Oh I can read, and remember my history a lot better than you can

Keep moving the goalposts and giving non-responses like this though. Usually people are more open minded about learning

Know what else lets you enslave people? Collectivism and and pretty much any autocratic form of government. Xenophobe gives you slavery that only applies to different species and also a negative relationship bonus. It's basically a worse version of collectivism.

You misspelled military republic. Then misspelled it's descriptions and effects.

You need to get your head checked, user.

Better to use collective or theocratic govt types for that, and
>purge
not worth the relationship hit or possible observer FE fuckery, you should be doing it in short 10-year stints then changing policy back asap anyway.

Xenophobia is objectively useless. Nevermind the fact that it also royally screws you out of a lot of events where you kneejerk blow up ancient alien tech instead of studying it for example.

Boy, you're retarded or autistic, maybe both.

Are there mods to make ship building and production not fucking retarded?

I love the aesthetic of Star Empires but their government bonuses are pretty garbage.

There is nothing better than having an Immortal Admiral with good traits.

>get a free admiral via battlefield promotion
>he has bonus evasion and ship upkeep reduction
>jackpot
>he levels up
>gains "lethargic" trait
Fuck me

>fleet logistician
>no cautious

>Slavery bonuses with out corresponding slavery tolerance, forcing you to always go collectivist or xenophobe
>Special is a large military station which is useless since stations are garbage against any decently sized fleet

They really need to do something with Despotic/Star Empires, 100% least useful government type in the game.

That's not theocratic oligarchy

>roman customs
no, greek customs

>Roman language in official use for centuries after Rome fell to barbarians
No, greek always was the language used in those parts
>constantinople
>rome

>no roman customs
>no roman language
>not ethnically roman
>doesn't own rome
>roman empire

It's like they deliberately made all the stuff edgy /pol/ kids love shit on purpose.
>xenophobe useless
>despotic/star empires useless
>humans are almost entirely non-white

So the problem you see is that slavery isn't good unless you minmax for it.

Well, nothing else is particularly good unless you minmax it either.

And I don't know about despotic empires, they seem fine as long as you make them a part of the minmaxing.

>play as Space Hebrew Empire
>meet other human empire
>demand all of their energy credits because of their historical responsibility

Hava nagila, everyone!

>Reduced ethics drift
>Bad
>Reduced leader costs
>Bad

Oligarchic agenda's are strong as fuck too.

Fanatic Collectivist+Militarist Despotic Empire reporting in.
Shit sucks, my colonies keep downgrading to Collectivist, losing their shit over the slaves that do the work their decadent asses won't do, and then I enslave them and suddenly they're happy again.

Shoulda made them conformists. Minmaxing, remember?

how?
The amount of tech that decreases ethic divergence you get as a collectivist is insane.

>social welfare

are u havin a laff

>year is 2486
>Jews STILL moaning about muh six million

>Start first game as Squids
>Surrounded by three different Bugs
>There are bird people who are ridiculously powerful just outside the bugs
>Manage to form an alliance with one of the bugs against another and win a war against another
>Half the losing bugs become liberated, join the alliance
>Bird people also want to ally
>Alright, cool! We'll form a federation! Federations sound great!
>With the federation and the birds, quickly liberate another group of bugs, add them to the federation
>Soon realize I can no longer declare war, invite people to the federation
>The Federation President is the only one who can decide these things and it's passed off without a notification
>Meanwhile the bugs, who I am now in a close federation with, are constantly moving towards my empire to colonize rather than towards the vast areas in literally any other direction
>If I leave the federation, they're all allied together with the dominant Bird people
>Maxed out the planet limit with no way to increase it, have to sector off chunks, but the AI is considerably worse (and less fun) than micromanaging it all
>No way to tell them to fuck off, no way to spread faster than them, no way to engage in war without guaranteed loss
Welp, that killed my first playthrough quickly. Time to start a new one, I guess.

It feels like this game will be amazing after six months of bug fixes and content patches. But it feels like a lot of this stuff was just added in at the last minute.

So guys, is Stellaris good?

Note that I come from a /gsg/ background and have never played any space games beofre

...

Lets start a non pol discussion.

How do you guys like to outfit your ships?
How do they change over the course of a game?
Are there favorite combinations you have for you weapon systems?

On a side note, how should one determine whether to have more smaller weapons or fewer (or 1) medium or large weapons?

it's pretty good right up until you need to go to war

well all habitable planets in my galaxy are originally owned by the Hebrew people until filthy xenophobe antisemites started purging my people.

It's mechanically pretty good. Marginal reduction to minerals and energy once you count in the increased production from happiness, and a lot of extra research.

>I come from a /gsg/ background
Then you will find it too simple, too easy, and lacking in depth. It's also a Paradox game that just came out so it's buggy and broken and missing lots of features and it will take a few months before most of this shit is fixed by patches and mods.

It's pretty fun if you want a casual 4X space game, the empire customization is probably the best part and most of the mods out right now are centered on that (and also fixing some of the worst bugs).

Its fun, watch the dev team's blorg playthrough. Its more or less what we have now

>greek was always the language used in those parts
>not ethnically Roman
>I know nothing about history, the post

While Greek remained the dominant language amongst the unwashed masses, the political elite, especially the military, communicated in Latin until well into the 7th century, even afterward they considered themselves Roman and organized themselves according to Roman custom and tradition. When Rome fell, Greece and been a part of the Empire for half a millennia, and certainly considered themselves Roman.

Many of the Roman Emperors, actually most in the Dominate period, were from all over the Empire, not Rome, most certainly not ethnically Roman, and were often of the fringes of the Empire for much of their reigns. Rome ceased being relevant, and Constantinople along with many other cities acted as capitals of the Empire for most of the Dominate.

I like spamming as many small missiles as I can for maximum shooty, with.
Sort of wish all the alien tech you can get from killing clouds/crystals was useful, but it seems like lightning and shards are just inferior lasers.

I like battleships with big guns with escorts even though it kinda sucks against vette swarms right now

The key to gear your corvette for hitting large ships and gear your large ships for hitting corvettes

one thing I've been doing lately is build a science ship and recruit a scientist at the start of the game, and then assign research scientists to do some initial surveying to earn some a few levels, and then switch back to research. That said I think Quick Learner is my favorite trait in the game.

Torpedoes and energy lances are my preferred artillery for battleships. I don't bother with small weapons, I use sections that have mainly large and medium. If I do end up with small weapon spots I put point defense and disruptors.

I have corvettes and destroyers for smaller guns.

If he keeps winning it can go away.

The League of Fighting Anti-Semitism is now your enemy you filthy goyim.

How do I become independent if I have become a protectorate of an empire?

>He cucked himself!

actually individualism isn't an ideal within the human experience, it's an inescapable reality. In practice, our society doesn't run on the ideal of the individual, rather the individual expresses himself through materialism, and any individual's merit is usually judged by it's usefulness to the economy.

For me, the individualism and collectivism traits are specifically for a race of beings who are collectivist by nature, a hive of bees for example. It would make sense if a race began to evolve higher forms of consciousness and began to question the validity of a hivemind, and as a result a kind of philosophical schism is introduced.

You fight for your independenceness.

Guys my king die and something strange happen.
He don't have heir.(as I lowered chance for new heir significantly).
Look at this shit.

How? the faction I'm under could destroy me.

Being protectorate is god send for you. It mean that you have much less tech level and being protectorate make all tech that your overlord have much cheaper.
As a protectorate you can also colonize(not like vassal) and if you get attacked your overlord will come to help you.
And you don't need help him in his wars.
So tech up and when ready go to war.

Then you develop yo ass and then fight.
Joke's on you for becoming a protectorate.

That's not how ideals work. You're asking yourself how useful something is, not how fulfilling and happy it makes someone.

Except that's wrong, individualism and collectivism aren't species traits, they are government traits.

>Why do people see everything through the lens of human history?
Because it was by copying through the lens of human history, by humans, for humans.

You think you're playing an actual bug empire? No, you're playing a human's idea of an alien bug society.

>tech up
if you hit the magic number of techs you'll become a vassal though

>vassals can't colonize

Why ?

You're putting too much emphasis on it. Individualist and collectivist in this game are just about where priorities lie: with individuals or with the group. If you're an individualist society then you prioritize individual freedom, hence why slavery and purging and resettling are viewed negatively since these infringe on individual liberty. Whereas collective societies put the group (state) first, so you can do things like purges or slavery to benefit the state even if it harms individuals.

I guarantee I know more than you

>, the political elite, especially the military, communicated in Latin until well into the 7th century, even afterward they considered themselves Roman and organized themselves according to Roman custom and tradition
Plain wrong. Culturally, they weren't roman. Stylites are the best example of that, widespread in constantinople but a complete rare sighting in the western empire

Justinian I is famously the last emperor to speak latin and he died no long after the roman empire fell

Military organization was completely different. Fuck they didn't even use the same armor

>Many of the Roman Emperors, actually most in the Dominate period, were from all over the Empire, not Rome, most certainly not ethnically Roman, and were often of the fringes of the Empire for much of their reigns.
The dominate period consists is basically the fall of the roman empire. Capitals were moved to the borders to try and save Rome, that remained the de jure capital, and power was divided, all in an attempt to save the empire

That was still the roman empire because despite not being ethnically roman, they spoke latin, had roman culture and served Rome, the city
Differently from the greeks that, after a few failed attempts to restore the empire, just closed in themselves, stopped using latin, completely and abandoned the few customs they got from the roman empire

That's the whole origin of the term "Byzantine Empire", to differentiate from the Roman Empire. Because their customs changed so much only a retard would call them romans

>losing their shit over the slaves that do the work their decadent asses won't do, and then I enslave them and suddenly they're happy again.

This is hilarious

When does the AI accepets the "demand vasslage" thingy? It never does for me, even when they are pathetic compared to me.