Car buying

When am I going to be able to buy a car straight from the factory? Why is it still legal for car dealers to rip off consumers? Tesla cant make money but at least they removed a layer of bs so I give then credit for that.

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Why don't Car manufacturers just sell their cars lower rate than what dealers do.

Can't these Car Manufacturing companies just sell to the public slightly or medium amount above what they are currently selling them to dealers for?

What even are the downsides here?

why can't Rachel there just blow me.

Because the OEMs would rather the dealer network handle parts of the value chain such as aftermarket support, etc.

Car salesman here

All it takes to get a good deal when buying a car is to take advantage of dealer incentives and ask for free shit thrown in. If you don't mention any discounts to me, you will see sticker price and pay that if you don't ask for money off.

bone law

I've bought 4 cars in my life and I was never able to get any of them first try

I always ask for the extras and then give my final price.

They always said it was impossible, so I would just leave them my card.

Longest time to hear back from them accepting my offer was three weeks and two were even the next day

even better, wait two years for actual price discovery. buying a new car is for chumps, hell you should be doing your best to not own one at all, virtually all opportunity cost

This. New cars are the biggest money drain, I have no idea why people even bother unless they are earning at least six figures annually.

Don't buy a new car. You can get a way nicer used car for the same money.

This is how you buy a car:
>This is going to take about 3-4 weekends, but it will save you thousands of dollars.
>Pick out 3-4 car models that you would be perfectly happy to own. If you are dead set on a single car, you will lose your negotiation power. Just pick out a few, go to dealers to drive them to get a feel for what you really want (without even thinking of buying at this point). Here you should have an idea of how much this is going to cost.
>Don't try to buy a car if you don't have a loan ready. Spend one whole weekend (and maybe during the week) shopping for a loan. Walk into a bank/lender and sit there until they can tell you in detail what kind of loan they are willing to give you. Then LEAVE. Repeat at ~5 different places. Use the best loan to call the shit loan banks and ask for better terms, if they say no, stick to the best loan, if they say yes, great! They want your business, make them compete for you. Smaller lenders are usually more flexible.
>Go online and find all dealerships and used car places that have your cars in reasonable conditions. Expand your search radius quite a bit, it's worth driving an hour to get your perfect car in a dealership that no one else is willing to go to. A lot of places will lie about having a car just to get you in the door. Call and have them confirm that the car is physically in the lot. Ask for the VIN number if necessary. Don't take any bullshit. Make a list of all these "available" cars.
>to be continued...