Christians, why is wrong to masturbate?

Perversion, you should beat her for that

Kill the harlot

I'm not Christian, but I conjecture the idea that before germ theory, they just figured a dude touching his dick and kaking onto stuff was pretty gross, so they just wanted him to only do it into a vagina.
Probably some douchebag decided to shoot spunk onto random people as a kink and one day got a priest (or several priests), and thus God decides it's not okay to masturbate.

Because it is unnatural.

Sex's foremost goal is reproduction, and anything that deviates from the end effect of reproduction is immoral.

Because it distracts you from having a loving relationship and making babies. The proliferation of masturbation and pornography is the reason why birth rates are falling and the west is dying.

That is called foreplay, and as long as it ends in its proper purpose, the union of husband and wife with an openness to life, it is allowed, and sometimes even encouraged.

If a sexual action outside of marriage is bad, why it's even possible and even desirable by design? On other words, if God wanted for people to have sex for reproduction only, why did he use endorphins no healthy person can resist?

what total bullshit. birthrates are falling in the west because of simple economics. in urban areas, especially with child labor laws, having children is a huge drain on money with no return on the investment

but no one thinks that. why would you post?

>unnatural
there's a lot of things that are unnatural and allowed under your morality. it is unnatural to use deodorant. god made your sweat glands for a reason and he wants you to reek. it isn't like i have a limited supply of semen. my balls will continue to make more even in old age. how about after I masturbate in front of my wife I scoop up the semen and place it in her vagina? would that make you happy?

Because it is sterile stimulation of the flesh.

I was told that masturbation was wrong because of onan
>After Onan's brother Er dies his father Judah told him to fulfill his duty to his brother by entering into a levirate marriage with his brother's widow Tamar to give her offspring.
Religion professor Tikva Frymer-Kensky has pointed out the economic repercussions of a levirate marriage: any son born to Tamar would be deemed the heir of the deceased Er, and able to claim the firstborn's double share of inheritance. However, if Er were childless, Onan would have inherited as the oldest surviving son.[3]

>When Onan had sex with Tamar, he withdrew before climax[4] and "spilled his seed on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir.[5]
>The next statement in the bible says that Onan did evil and that God slew him.[6]
Apparently some people interpreted this as God saying spilling your seed is wrong

It releases powerful energies. If you want to become one with a monad, you must contain your fluids to better achive pneumatichood.

Because it will lower your testosterone and possibly give you ED.

Christians have extremely low self steem and thus think that anything that is pleasant is inherently wrong.

Mathew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I'm Muslim by the way but it's quite clear that lust outside of marriage is a sinful temptation in most religions.

It doesn't say anything about lusting after a boy dressed like a girl though does it?

masturbate > the same chemical release as if its sex > less inclination to go out and hunt for the grills as you're already gaining the same releases

bretty simple

not to mention the psychological retardation that is porn
>masturbation to someone else fucking the girl that you want to fuck
it's self-incuckination

Where?

Not even christian but how is it faith if backed by reason or logic?

Misuse of the sexual facilities.

If it was unnatural it wouldn't be found in every human culture across the world.

Same for Sodomy and the like.

Try again.

>but he's a-okay with keeping slaves
He really isn't. Jewish slavery was a matter of indentured servitude and was always supposed to have a difinitive "end" point. Besides, He can permit an evil if it serves a utility for the time being. It doesn't nullify wrongness, however. Like letting a 12 year old sip wine at Christmas.

>also rapists should be "punished" by marriage to their victims
>shoplifters should be "punished" by buying what they stole

>but don't you fap, that's a sin
Non-unitive misuse of sexuality.

What if I don't use or imagine any fap material and I just do it for the sheer physical pleasure? Is it ok then?

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>Because it is unnatural.
Animals masturbate. Try again.

Sodomy was condemned in most human cultures though (Greeks and Romans aside). All societies have murders but consider it evil. "Natural" has a more subtle meaning in Natural Law Theory than "things that happen"

Humans are animals.

faith is in things you don't know. opposing things that you do know starts to look more like superstition.

Correct, but I meant animals to mean nonhumans

Because it fucked up your grammar

There's literally nothing intrinsically wrong with slavery, and "rape" in that verse meant seducing an unmarried virgin (nobody else would marry her after that)

Unnatural in this context means it goes against the Telos of sexuality

>There's literally nothing intrinsically wrong with slavery
>Christian displays no regard for the dignity of his fellow human beings
Shocking.

My point was just that it's pointless to consider that only humans can ennact in unnatural behaviour. Sure our most gifted cousins and other intelligent animals are capable.

The other possibility being that no action can be unnatural, not even human actions.

See

My mother says that masturbate is good.

My mom> god

>implying indentured servitude isn't fucking wrong

meme

Not all porn is cuck porn, retard.

So what does "natural" mean then?

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It was, but it was hardly the same as "bound in chains and beaten into line." It was kinda like "you owe me so you'll work off your debt. Unless it's Jubilee soon, then you work until then and your debt is forgiven and you are free."

Biblical slave laws were framed in the "remember how shit Egypt was? You can have slaves because of the utility at this time of human existence, but you can't treat them like Egypt treated you, which is pretty much the standard for all societies at this point. Also you NEED to free them eventually and I will mandate a slave freeing every 50 years"

If the master isn't a sadistic or greedy shit it isn't that bad

No, but that's a guarantee you can never have.

Not any more than you can guarantee that tomorrow you won't have an aneurysm.

It's life

It's still being the property of another human being. In theory any slavery isn't "that bad" if your master isn't an awful human being, but that's not the fucking point.

Which to Biblical Israel was mandated to be like the premise of Ika Musume, sans the titular charachter's invasion scheme. Squid Girl broke a beachside foodshack and its owners force her to work off the cost of the damages.

>"rape" in that verse meant...
Just like
"son of God" only meant "spiritual man"
"commandments" just meant "advice"
"in the beginning" realy meant "13.4 billion years"
"honor the sabbath" meant "play the back 9"
"stone to death" meant "a slap on the wrist"

Do you actually believe what you say?

Using a millenias of year old jewish rulebook for social norm at the times to justify things and crimes that happens now?

Would you prefer to be slaughtered on the spot?

Probably not, but something worse being an option doesn't justify it, in a universe of potentially infinite outcomes.

The probabilities are totally different though.

kek

Here's what jews think:
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It is forbidden to release sperm wastefully.50 Therefore a person should not enter his wife and ejaculate outside of her.51 A man should not marry a minor who is not fit to give birth.52

Those who, however, release sperm with their hands, beyond the fact that they commit a great transgression, a person who does this will abide under a ban of ostracism. Concerning them, it is said: "Your hands are filled with blood." It is as if they killed a person.

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It is forbidden for a person to intentionally cause himself to have an erection or to bring himself to [sexual] thoughts. If a [sexual] thought comes to his mind, he should divert his heart from profligate and destructive matters to the words of Torah53 which are "a beloved hind, arousing favor."54 For this reason, it is forbidden for a person to sleep on his back with his face upward,55 Instead, he should turn to the side slightly so that he will not develop an erection.

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One should not look at animals, beasts, and fowls at the time the males and females are coupling. It is, however, permitted for a breeder of livestock to insert a male animal's organ in a female's. Since he is working in his profession, he will not be motivated to [sexual] thoughts.

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Similarly, it is forbidden for a man to look at woman while they do laundry. It is even forbidden to look at the colored56 garments of a woman one knows,57 lest one be motivated to [sexual] thoughts.

Imagine Einstein masturbates.

>He really isn't. Jewish slavery was a matter of indentured servitude
For Israelites enslaving Israelites, yes.
But when Israelites enslaved foreigners, they were effectively practising chattel slavery.
It says so in the OT, if you ever bother to read it.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is greate,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

What's the joke?

I always thought they had zero fap tolerance because all the boys were busy fapping than doing work all day.

waste

youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

>"rape" in that verse meant seducing an unmarried virgin

It covers that, yes. But it ALSO covers abducting a woman and forcing her to fuck you, ie, rape. But why am I surprised a Christian is a liar?

>But why am I surprised a Christian is a liar?
Back to your containment board.

>HIRR

It's funny because you can't prove me wrong. Christians are the most shameless liars in the world.

>Jewish slavery was a matter of indentured servitude
Unless you married into it.This is also only true in treatment of hebrew slaves.
This counter argument is so patently false that mentioning now is only juvenile.

Temptation lust desire adultery desecrating your temple

None of those are masturbation though.

They cause it or you do it because of those things or you think about them when you do it

I'm talking to you, and to you only, no one else
If you ever comeback to this thread to see whether there are more responses or not, take a look at this justification down below. You have first world dwellers, being okay with "indentured servitude or slaughter" having guilty feelings regarding their thoughts on sasha grey.

I'm not a Christian.

It's not. This concept comes from a fundamentally flawed understanding of the story of Onan.

Because Christians have a healthy view of sexuality.

Makes me laugh when the people who have sex with their own hands, watch other people having sex on the internet, have meaningless literally depressing sex with total strangers, spread diseases, think fag sex is equal to the love of man and wife, et al., try to act like they're the ones with the healthy view of sex.

>what is Natural Law?

Yeah, or sexually abuse altar boys and cover it up on an industrial scale

Oh wait

>industrial scale

I don't think you know what that means.

No Christian will defend child abuse. Plenty of your partisans will earnestly defend an inherently cuckolded and deeply pathetic act like masturbation. Just look at this thread.

Someone else. You say it like all Christians do this. Only a few priest have done this. It's not like the degenerates today that go around sleeping with everyone

>no true scotsman fallacy
Come on now.

I know we offended you by saying your compulsive porn addiction is not as healthy as a Christian couple's lovemaking, but that's no excuse to totally forget the proper definition of a fallacy.

When did I ever say that? Im justifying it in the context of what it was then. There's a reason it's lumped along side Jesus saying "God allowed divorce in Moses' day because you guys were being dicks, and now He doesn't want you doing it anymore."

a spook

Why would a Christian do something that they refuse to defend?

>casual sex is worse than raping little boys!
wew lad

>What does "natural" mean then

Google the article "whose nature? which law?" on Edward Feser's blog.

>So, for the natural law theorist, certain things are “natural” for us in the sense of tending to fulfill those ends the realization of which constitutes our flourishing as the kinds of thing we are.

>No Christian will defend child abuse.

By covering it up, they absolutely did. But I'm not in the camp of thinking that's typical Christian behaviour.

>Plenty of your partisans will earnestly defend an inherently cuckolded and deeply pathetic act like masturbation.

Words mean things you know. You can't be cuckolded by someone you're not in an intimate relationship with, and whether it's pathetic or not is a matter of personal opinion. Considering it's something basically everyone does on instinctively, I'd personally say calling it pathetic can only stem from some truly idiotic hangups.

Aquinus was just as autistic as Striner, but Aqunius was smart enough to realize this and not let his autism affect his philosophy

Other way around. Stirner was just as autistic as Aquinas, but he didn't sperg out by trying to mash the beliefs of a pagan philosopher into a fundamentally incompatible religion, and instead just engaged in passive commentary on idealism

It is cuckolded. You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men. You're the chimpanzee stroking his penis in the corner watching the alpha have all the mates.

>Considering it's something basically everyone does on instinctively

Nice porn industry propaganda. Modern hunter gatherers don't even know what masturbation is, and it has long been considered shameful and effeminate by cultures which know it existed.

>I'd personally say calling it pathetic can only stem from some truly idiotic hangups.

Yes, you are truly enlightened for fucking your hand while better men are out with actual women.

Because masturbation is bad for you, it makes you fine with being alone short term and long term it can actually cause you depression.

Sure fapping during puberty is no big deal but back in the day you got married when you were 15 so you never needed it to relieve pressure

>It is cuckolded. You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men
Watching lesbian porn isn't cuckolded though. It's actually less cuckolded than HAVING normal sex.

>You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men. You're the chimpanzee stroking his penis in the corner watching the alpha have all the mates.
God /pol/ is funny when they pretend to know anything about psychology.

>It is cuckolded. You're the one masturbating to girls who are having sex with other men.

That's still not being cuckolded. Your mate has not committed infidelity against you. I'd assume a Christian would understand what fidelity and infidelity are.

>Nice porn industry propaganda. Modern hunter gatherers don't even know what masturbation is, and it has long been considered shameful and effeminate by cultures which know it existed.

So is that why young boys in isolated regions seem to manage figuring it out just fine on their own? Back up your claims or shut up.

>Yes, you are truly enlightened for fucking your hand while better men are out with actual women.

False dichotomy. Masturbation and a healthy social life, or even pursuing a relationship are not mutually exclusive. Would it blow your mind to find out that even men in relationships still jerk it?

I'm not really in the argument but what do you guys think about when you fap thinking of a woman? What about a picture?

Sexy things? Add little details like what kind of perfume she might wear, the heat of her sweat. Pretty basic shit for some Veeky Forums tard.

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I was talking about if that's considered cuckdom or whatever you're talking about.