/pdg/ - Payday: The Heist & Payday 2 General

Gotta Go Fast Edition

Previous thread: >Skill Tree Beta Calculator (might be out of date)
payday.drakendomain.net/

>Upcoming Payday 2 Tournaments:
overkillsoftware.com/payday2-tournament/

>Extremely In-Depth Guide on the Mechanics of PAYDAY 2 (think Frank found a new maintainer)
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267214370

>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator (going to be out of date):
pd2skills.com/

>Skilltree Guide (going to be out of date):
i.imgur.com/nUXjB3J.png

>Perk Deck Guide (definitely out of date):
i.imgur.com/E6x18Bt.png

>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
i.imgur.com/TY14uav.png

>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
pastebin.com/dSyuTzdt

>(NEW) Weapon Skin Checklist (totally up to date):
pastebin.com/jivyLi3A

>Big Oil Engine Calculators:
payday2skills.ru/bigoil.html
albertkung.com/bigoil/

>PAYDAY Wiki:
payday.wikia.com/wiki/PAYDAY_2

>Latest Updates Here:
steamcommunity.com/app/218620

>Steam Group:
steamcommunity.com/groups/itfeelslikesomethingsintheair

>Mods and Lua:
pastebin.com/E3m0uKKn

>Weapon skin previews
pd2stash.com/

>Daily Dose
fuldans.se/?v=bawawkvbhb

Other urls found in this thread:

dictionary.com/browse/vod
youtube.com/watch?v=hkmeoYKYctw
youtube.com/watch?v=wOW2j3pRlhg
youtu.be/eRXvL41B1zs
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Today's Stream VOD
>twitch dot tv/starbreeze/v/68902357

Watch Overkill_Jules talk about how much he doesn't know.

Do these pieces of shit streams get archived? I want to look at something stupid later when I play Pokémon HeartGold.

dictionary.com/browse/vod

>HeartGold
SoulSilver repping my hood. HeartGold is for punk bustas

>is for punk bustas
Why do you think I play Payday then :^)

I'm glad I spent time doing this.

Some highlights from the stream, some info is known already:

- Beta going live next week, with new sentries;
- No safehouse info or dates yet;
- Dozers should be getting buffed, sprint might return;
- Discrepancy between difficulties should be fixed sometime later;
- Overkill tests all updates on Death Wish, but don't play it on stream due to having difficulties talking and playing at the same time;
- Saw is going to become a melee, but not now;
- Camouflage skill in Silent Killer is going to be moved to Tier 2 because it loses its value at Tier 1, new Tier 1 skill is going to be added;
- Moving 2 bags - hard to code, but can be added eventually, Overkill wants it to be real;
- Armour is in perfect position for Overkill right now, they're focusing on nerfing dodge (can't really say the last patch nerfed it though).
- Sharpshooter is the weakest subtree according to Overkill;
- Die Hard Aced will still be for ballistic vests only;

That's all important shit I remember, feel free to fix me / add new info if I fucked up somewhere.

Returning from a long break, What are currently the best weapons?

Thanks, bro.

>Highlights
>Bunch of worthless information.
Real highlights

-Russians invade chat, mods can't ban them and Jules is too stupid to figure out slow mode.
-Overkill employees suck at the game too hard to play on Deathwish but lie and claim they only play it off stream.
-Game designer in charge of the skill tree beta doesn't even know what Shinobi is.
-Managed to fail a heist on Overkill with 4 people.
-Announced they were going to waste time rebalancing normal difficulty for an update you'll have to sit through.
>Almir occasionally appearing on cam furthering the belief that all he does is lie and pose for pictures.

They failed on Death Wish, though, not Overkill. That spam was quite hilarious though.

M308/GL40/Macaroni/Raven
China Lake/Judge/White Streak/Baby Deagle/Fucking honestly ANY pistol that doesn't do 40 damage just pick one

Thanks user

14th for Trap sydney is best sydney

New gensec unit when ?

Trap Sydney is canon m8

>moral fag giving out to me for using skin unlocker
>says that devs need to eat too
>Overkill literally gave 2k to a fair use cause that they had no need to get involved in

>People that claim Overkill is a small starving indie dev when their founder is now the CEO of their publisher and they turned a profit on this game before it even left beta.

>- Overkill tests all updates on Death Wish, but don't play it on stream due to having difficulties talking and playing at the same time;

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BULL

SHIT

I don't want a new GenSec unit when our last "new GenSec unit" was a stationary bullet sponge FBI captain.

MEMES

me
me
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Sydney was saying "deck". The cloaker is a fit and confident young man, and as such Sydney invites him over to sit on her deck.

youtube.com/watch?v=hkmeoYKYctw

Anything this guy said basically.

If you're in armor you can't beat an m308 paired with a China lake. M308 can one hit kill with a body shot on most mooks, if you can actually play and get head shots consistently it's ridiculous. You can take out quite a few random cops and a charging cloaker with one mag. You can easily take 3 dozers grouped together with this combo by shooting the ground with the lake, faceshot with the m308, rinse and repeat.

If you need a high concealment build you can walk away with the bronco modded to 30 concealment and a gl40 with the sawn off stock and pirate barrel. It'll put you around 10 detection for your sneaky bastard builds.

And if you like shottys the raven is on point right now, hitting over 100 damage without even trying, and no ammo loss from picking buckshot. 14 shell load up is great because if you miss a headshot it's not a problem, squeeze that trigger again. Loads quickly too. If you don't have sprint and reload you can reload from empty and then just sprint for an instant to break the reload if you need to drop a motherfucker real quick.

Silenced judge with flechettes is all you need for stealth now, add a bow since you only need one gun and it'll keep your detection low.

>If you're in armor you can't beat an m308 paired with a China lake.
GL40 + Bronco.

That's a solid pair up, but the m308/puff beats it out slightly. Puff and m308 has more loaded ammo compared to the bronco and gl40, and both will effectively do the same thing with the same amount of consumed ammo. Having more shots available is valuable, even if it's only needed occasionally. And the m308 can mount a laser scope, so most people will be able to effectively get a head shot. Gl and bronco are still completely viable though they definitely win on any build out that requires lower concealment (so dodge). I run through the same missions with both load outs, and they get the same results, but the puff/308 makes things a tad easier.

I'm fucking disgusted at Overkill, they keep fucking making DLC and trash instead of just making Payday 3 - which is
completely possible if they stopped fucking jewing people.

Like the weapon skins which are a blatant copy and cash-in on CSGO skins.

No one wants Payday 3

I hate how they're putting more effort into making skins than into making guns.

Jiro DLC was like the last time they added a gun that had a semi-decent selection of mods.

>Pointing out that they're jewing everyone.
>Complaining they aren't making a new game to jew you with.
Idiots like you are why they get away with it.

You don't want Payday 3.

They've already got a game planned for next year that's not payday 3. And like the other user said, no one wants payday 3. Not that no one wants a new payday, but it'll be more disappointment, frustration and empty promises. Everyone would love a ton of new heists, but there's the likelihood we'll get more watchdogs, car shops, meth labs, and over priced dlc where each pack will contain a piece of the perfect build puzzle.

>N-No you're the idiot!!!

Oh fuck off retard.

The fact that they're connected to Steam in anyway means they could use Steam workshop in a new game for every benefit in the world.

>community-made heists
>community-made mods/skins which aren't as retarded
>better management of your actual items instead of shit.net

I mean the ONLY thing they're using steam for is fucking weapon skins.

>Why aren't they jewing me more efficiently? I still have too much money in my wallet with these monthly paid DLC packs and microtransactions.

/pol/ take your pills

You're the retard wanting a Payday 3 for no good reason.

They're making like 5 different shitty games while PD2 funds them all by itself. They can barely do shit for PD2, what makes you think ditching the PD2 system to start over *again* would be in any beneficial to players?

Look at how the game was at launch

>29 planned heists guiz!!!!!!1111!1!1
>only 10 non-dupe heists at launch

and then it took them 2 years to go from "no game" to "DLC Hype Train".

You don't want a repeat of that.

I've been here since beta. *I* don't want a gayday 3 because it will be categorically worse than PD2 is in its current state. All the disappoints from the transition of PD:TH -> PD2 condensed into one dead-on-arrival package.

RESU

FUCKING

REKT

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>community-made heists
the only thing I really want they don't have. But it would shoot the DLC cash machine in the head to have nerds with too much time on their hands get the tools to make their own heists.

I mean, I'm sure everyone wants the tools to, say, make a heist modeled on Rainbow Road, then race longfellows to the exit. If you don't win the race, you fall and enter custody, and the winner gets out with the full non-custody penalty score.
or a Santa's Workshop Heist where you actually literally rob Santa and his elves.
Or a carefully crafted serious heist where you go through multiple days getting components for the grand finale

And I'm sure some asshole would make those if we had the tools to build heists ourselves. but then no one would buy the Star Trek Online crossover heist, where you steal a cardassian or whatever the fuck.

So what's your excuse for not doing a sentry GL40+China puff+ fully loaded aced build ? Don't you like having the whole map for yourself ?

Broncos.

Broncos everywhere.

I fucking hate Goat Sim Day 1.

I bet that you start shooting at the start instead of running

It don't matter where you run.

Broncos are master snipers. Exceptionally well-trained in the art of sniping your ass with full damage from across the map through a sliver of line of sight.

You thought Tasers were bad, Broncos are the fucking worst. You never had to deal with more than one or two (e.g. Big Bank) to realise this horrible truth. And Goat Sim Day 1 just keeps spawning them wave after wave after wave after the alarm goes.

It don't matter where you run.
It don't matter where you hide.
That 16-man squad of Broncos that just hopped a concrete wall is here to fucking down you from 200m out.

>mfw you all faggots still stick around this freakshow of a game, sucking the tranny/almir's jew cock for new updates.

I'm amazed to see this general still flailing in the mud each time i get into Veeky Forums, let go already scrubs.

Kill yourselves.

>people can't play more than one game at once

Fuck off. I don't want Payday 3 either. If they went that route, it would be just as devoid of content as PD1 and 2 were at launch. I'd rather just stick with PD2 and the fucking huge amount of heists/guns/skills/perks/heisters it has to choose from.

I'm only sticking around for more Sokol porn

pg10

You think you do, but you don't

>tfw you realize the sydney trailer is actually canon as her background story imply she appeared from nowhere during a heist done by the payday gang, killing as much people in the process.

Pretty much this is why you won't say Payday 3 for a long time. There is so much content in Payday 2 that Payday 3 would never be able to rival it in terms of content at the moment so it's just wise to go onto a new game.

That and a lot of the developers just want to do something new after 3 years of 1 game.

>youtube.com/watch?v=wOW2j3pRlhg

New heist on the way, guys.

THOSE OIL BLBLBLBLBLBL

Verminetide is cheap. Is it worth getting as a replacement / game to play alongside payday 2?

>cheap
Why don't you just buy it and let us know? Or else just watch a bunch of reviews on YouTube

From what I hear Vermintide's community was dead on launch or died close to it or something. Do they even have a general here anymore?

After reading this thread, it would be really cool if overkill gave us a level editor at the end of the games support life, at the point they'll stop trying to peddle new dlc. It would kind of make up for the lack of quality content they've released, and it won't cut into future dlc sales then. They'd have nothing to lose, really.

>it would be really cool
And that's why it won't happen.

We said the same thing about safehouses. The thing is, it may happen, but it'll probably be trash and we'll be disappointed.

Safehouse customization is still an empty promise. Haven't seen anything of it and there is no reason to ever believe a word Overkill says.

Where are the Kawaii lewds

Level editors require dev support to make sure all the bugs and glitches are ironed out and to make sure that shit works.

Look at the shitshow that are Dota custom games right now. Valve devs barely work on fixing issues in the thing and thus, the custom game community is dead in the water because they can't even just carbon-copy the old WC3 custom maps. You only have like 5-ish games that are worth playing and/or people are interested in, and three of them are Dota mods.

*IF* OVK does the unthinkable and actually does release a community level editor and workshop system to let people share maps like Portal 2 did, then they will have to support the thing for a good while as the community dicks around with it en masse. It's not a minor project, it'll probably require a whole team and regular support for a good couple years.

They're never going to do it for us.
We're not worth the effort to them. Just make them playing The Walking Dead or Dead by Daylight ;)))))

To be honest, I don't know why they changed their minds about the Safehouse customisation.

It went from ";)" to an official "No." until like...summer 2015 and then suddenly they changed their minds. And a lot of it was waffling about saying "We're discussing it internally" like how they took their sweet-ass time with Winters.

It can't be good.

That or it's a solid implementation of initial expectations but it's too little too late. 3 years late.

Welp pd2 is going even more to shit than usual due beta going live with "bugs and untested stuff edition", warframe just got a nerf to make grind even worse , division still shit and ubisoft is never going to fix it, why the hell does everything i play dies

Do not sexualise the heisters.

Literally just L4D with a Warhammer skin on top.

Fuck you I do what I want

fire at it

I LOVE SOKOL

AAA I NEED SOME MEDS OR ITS OVER

Because you set yourself up to literally hate everything you play. Lose some of the salt and try to admit that everything you play has one or two good things about it. Otherwise you're doomed to never enjoy video games in spite of wasting tones of hours on them.

Or go take up another hobby.

Yes it is the goys fault that PD2 is shit.

>implying anybody who posts here pays for legitimate copies

20 dollas?!!!! Oy vey its anudda Shoah!!!

I'm just saying that this was a horrible timing of broken beta going live with bunhc of untested and bugs, and warframe nerf together it's not nice at all

>replying

Then go find a new game

So shitting about Overjew and such aside, it occurs to me Overkill actually doesn't do much to pirates.
You get the bad goy tag. That's it. Compare to, say, Battle.net shit, where detecting piracy results in an instant permaban.

My question is: is this because Overkill made a strategic choice to allow cheaters so their playerbase doesn't shrink further, or are they just so bad at programming server architecture that they have literally no mechanism for segregating out cheaters from pubs?

It's whatever will make Over$hill even more despicable in the eyes of asspained saltbags

Rate my Car-4 /pdg/

Most probable answer is they're too stupid to figure out how to do it without blocking LUA entirely. Making a non-optional bad goy auto kick would cause issues because false positives have been a thing since they added the "anti-cheat". They probably won't ever add any further anti-cheat until PD3. Which all the bad goys I know wouldn't buy regardless.

Somewhere, not for vanillafags though.

I also use a car4.
except mine has a larger clip, more damage, better accuracy and concealment 26.

You would have had to work to make it that bad, I think.

nice quads

why not just use the m308?

Vermintide is not nearly as good as it seems.

It's very melee-focused, but the melee system is clunky as fuck and very block/dodge based. This wouldn't be as bad if not for the fact that enemy hit detection is about two to three times longer than what you would expect it to be. Here's a video showing what I'm talking about:
youtu.be/eRXvL41B1zs
The dude who went down was the fucking host, so it's not server lag. That's just the reach normal enemies have.

Two-handed weapons don't OHK the shitty swarm enemies unless you charge the attack first. This makes them basically useless, as weapon-and-shield combos can also achieve OHK charge attacks while also not being complete garbage at blocking.

Ranged weapons are very limited in ammo and generally don't deal very much damage.

Wayfarer players hog all of the goddamn ammo because they're bow-wielding elf faggots and spout "i'm a ranged character" whenever you tell them to knock that shit off, despite the fact that all characters have ranged weapons.

If you thought card drops were bad, you have not experienced Vermintide's equipment rolls. You have a fairly good chance of getting fucking NOTHING from completing a match. The only way to improve your chances is to grab Tomes and Grimoires, which take up inventory space and reduce your health.

Speaking of equipment, item rarity determines stats! This means you're not going to have good equipment until you slog through the 40 minute minimum levels multiple times (and even then it's only a chance you'll get it).

Equipment can come with Traits, which is basically Vermintide's version of Perk Decks. A fully-kitted weapon more or less has Grinder, Rogue, and Gambler equipped simultaneously.

The community is super, super dead.

There are a wide variety of other issues that Vermintide has, but I'm not going into them because that would involve making a ton of posts and I just don't give enough of a fuck to do that.

Oh hey Trashly's here.

>quads
>clip

Vintage mag giving a +4 accuracy bonus when ?

I can't wait for this meme to die

>One of Trashly's orbiters acting like they're anything but a mouthpiece.

Reminder that Overkill sent Trashly here to bribe people with codes to do damage control.
Reminder that Trashly has moved it to the Steam group to keep tabs on who he's bribing.
Reminder that they shitpost for him and have report bombed posts for him before.

I can't wait for this meme to die

What said.

OVK wants to let people people do what they want with mods and shit. Let players dictate how they want to play.

But you can't both have that and proper anti-cheats enabled because the anti-cheat isn't going to fucking know if a mod implements Pyrovision or a button that spawns lootbags, mainly because all their shit is done via Lua instead of say...a properly designed program architecture that exposes an API mods could dick with so that a game client that bypasses the modding API is an obvious cheat. Shit like a modding API needs to be put into the game during the design phase, not after you're done mucking about with a copy+paste of the first game's internals (because that's what they did instead of "writing from scratch" like they said they would when they announced PD2).

So the only thing they are capable of doing is checking if a player owns a particular DLC through the Steam dev API or whatever and give unlockers the bad goy tag.

So that's all they do.

Not only are they not competent enough to have any form of real anti-cheat enabled, the game's current state fundamentally prevents it from happening even if they spend a few months trying to duct-tape something into the game.

I can't wait for this meme to die.

How can we make the Brenner-21 good ? For a level 75 weapon, it's such a fucking turd it's not funny.

Go choke on a dick Overkill

I can't wait for this I can't wait for this meme to die meme to die

>DMR Kit
It's shit.

>OVK wants to let people people do what they want with mods and shit. Let players dictate how they want to play.
Trash post detected.

LMGs are dead, they'll never be good.

>arg blarg I am a retard who wasn't around long enough to listen to OVK praise modders and express their fake support for modders since the beginning

>arg blarg I have Trashly's dick my mouth and think I can trick people into forgetting when Overkill proudly claimed PD:TH was unmoddable and banned Marphy for doing stupid model swaps.

Anyone for PD:TH?