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Fucking finally had to chase 4 different VC armies across the map with too few witch hunters.

New to TW and kinda shitty at the moment here. Have two questions.

When is a good time to get a second lord? Ruined my first VC play through by getting one to early and ruining my econemy. Then on my first Chaos I got one to late and other armies multi stacks just went and steam rolled me.

Also about to do a Greenskin campaign. Am I better off just taking two or three provinces then just plain subjugating all other tribes? Or just go around accupying everything I can and razing everything I cant?

Repeating from old thread:

Orcs don't really need a buff apart from their Orc cav (Gobbo Cav is fine) and maybe Trolls. They are perfectly fun to play, especially with the WAAGH mechanic.

VC are the most needing of buffs, followed by some of the Dwarf late game specialist units (Slayers, Organ Guns, Brimstone Gyros/Bombers, maybe Hammerers). Gunpowder missle units also feel pretty underwhelming due to their range.

If you are really struggling with Orcs, you must be just playing them incorrectly as they have a ton of strong options to deal with most races.

Greenskins need some more armor-piercing options, but that's it. Trolls with their acid attacks, maybe?

Honestly gunpowder units would be fine if they had their arc of fire increased. Right now they have to reposition too much since they can't just fire over units like archers/crossbows. Unfortunately every modder thinks ranged units should be completely useless for some reason since all they do is nerf them.

Thanks for the help there guys.

Orcs need all their units redone so there is actual point for them. You have an entire Goblin and Savage tree they are both utterly worthless the moment the other factions start bringing the slightest bit of armor.

It has nothing to do with playing them well or not, anyone can win a campaign with them on any difficulty, the fact is that they are still the most UP faction by far.

Orcs need one or two archer units upgraded with armor piercing.

Its stupid being helpless in early game against dwarfs unless you heavily outnumber them or abuse autoresolve.

good thing they dont do any damage

Why is every chaos army full of missile cav and dogs? Are they just a copy paste of Attila?

In my experience it's actually better to get a late second lord because they're so momentum-based. You can survive multistack swarms by investing points into the bottom skill tree (which you want to do anyway to max that horde growth perk) and getting that one perk called Lightning Strike. I never invest more than one point into it, but it allows you to fight a battle without reinforcements joining on either side, so you can strategically pick the deathstacks apart.

As for VC and every other faction that can actually settle towns, just do it as your economy allows. You'll figure it out through trial and error, just stick with it.

>against dwarfs unless you heavily outnumber them
What pisses me off the most is how little the orcs actually play like the orc faction in the tabletop, or even from the lores perspective.

Not once have I ever felt like I was overwhelming the enemy with my massive numbers, they put so much reliance on the Waaagh effect they didnt bother to give orcs more units on average than other factions.

>Orcs need one or two archer units upgraded with armor piercing

t. Radious

I'm playing VC atm and got mine pretty early, although I only run him with some basic skellies, a couple of bats and hounds. I use him for smaller tasks to level him up so I've got the levels when he's needed for real

late second lord as chaos because they're so momentum-based****

Slayers are a right letdown. Took me ages to get to them then they just get slaughtered by "Bigunz" which I thought they would counter.

rip dowi lads

God dammit user they are ANTI LARGE

The average orc unit isnt large just because you are a midget

How exactly do underway interceptions work?

When you tunnel near an enemy, they get to intercept and rape you

When an enemy tunnels near you, they get free access to your base and a blowjob when they arrive

wait BIG unz arent large? fuck my bad

They counter trolls or bigger. 1v1 with normal units is worthless.

If they pass through your zone of engagment you get the chance to attack. The army using the underway is completely wiped out if they lose.

They are just too specialised. They do a reasonable job versus large (but still tend to get heavy casulties/wiped out in the process) but are useless versus anything else.

Meanwhile Empire has halberdiers that do the same job, can hold the line just fine and are easily replacable.

Are there any mods aside from Radious that give Orcs some basic armor piercing options? It makes the early game frustrating as Orcs since they're so helpless against Dwarves.

That said it does make dwarves rather fun when fighting Orc multi-stacks as the greenskins do jackshit against your armored everything.

Big uns are literally stock line infantry units, a step up from basic boyz and a step below Black Orcs.

The orc units Slayers can kill are Trolls/Giant Spiders and Giants. Anything that actually says 'large' or 'monster'

no they are only big guys

>He doesn't recruit rank 11 heroes
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Do they have to pass through it though?

I've had interceptions when I moved as close as I could to them and then they tried to teleport away.

"Large" is a unit category.

It refers to cav and monsters, basically.

Makes more sense with Empire spearmen and halberdiers, because they make a pretty instinctive counter for cav and monsters.

Slayers have the same goddamn axes as every other dwarf. Making them anti-cav just seems strange to me.

if you're asking about the tribes like the Varg or Skaeling it's because the AI has a really poor build order as tribes. Most of the time they go for marauders and skip the chaos warriors chain and try to go straight for trolls in most cases when trolls are pretty garbage.

The actual event-based forces of chaos faction (Sarthorael, Archaon) is a little more threatening just because they're forced to spawn with actually threatening units like Chosen and Giants.

Slayers suck donkey cock

>Varg takes all the Skaeling holdings before turn 15
>wipes out Kislev with 6 stacks around turn 30

This is gonna be an interesting Chaos campaign. I wonder if I have to even do anything other than watch.

I hate how I have to wait a turn for my Waagh army to do anything in concert with the main.

My campaign so far is playing pop the weasel with rebels while moving armies back and forth trying to take dwarf towns.

You get the army when you feel you can afford it.
And no you dont subjugate anybody you occupy their shit, its lots of shekel.

Dwarfs are the worst faction in the game.

Infantry is hard countered by empire greatswords, savage orcs, chaos with great weapons and grave guard.

Their range is no better than empire.

They have no mobility whatsoever.

Gyrocoptors cant even kill a single unit.

Too expensive, and all late game units are hard to get and not as good as other factions.

Why would anyone play dwarfs, they are shit.

If you actually read what slayers do its pretty obvious

"Anti-Large: Anti-large units have an advantage agaisnt targets that are at least as large as a horse"

>trying to remove Top Knots while fighting off the doomstack rock jews from the north

zog me

i only just realized what those 3 circles are for

i didnt even see them in my last empire campaign

welp, time to start from the beginning

What units should I take into consideration with greenskins apart from Boyz > Big 'uns > Black orcs and Arachnoks? Like, what cavalry should I be aiming for, and what ranged?

Abuse them, the AI almost always intercept even if they have 5 units versus 20, it's stupid and they always get wiped out

No more running AI fuckers

Your bait is stale, your memes old, consider suicide.

So did I

Thanks for letting me know fAm

alright /twugguh/, I haven't been around for a couple of years, since about the time gook got cummed on

Can I just ask, is DEI still the go-to realism overhaul for Rome 2? And is there a similar mod for Attila yet?

Cheers

savage ork boar boyz or bust

I've heard good things about Savage Boar Boys, and Doom Divers blew holes in my Grave Guard lines during Mannfred's second quest battle.

Rollan!

norscan tribes can only recruit chariots, trolls, marauder cav, dogs and marauder infantry

Prove me wrong, most cav is anti infantry so they wrek dwarfs.

All the infantry i mentioned will beat them with ease.

All it takes is a flank to take out their ranged units, and they have nothing. If you have flying units then its GG dwarfs.

>what cavalry should I be aiming for, and what ranged?
All the orc cav are shit, so ignore them. Take some giants, and maybe 2 units of night goblin archers for their posion debuff. Every other unit should be Black orcs/Big Uns as well as a doom diver or two

Adding to this, shits not giving me an option to confederate these savages. Do I need to conquer them?

Slayer King is raping my Iron Rock and most of my armies our down trying to remove these top knot faggots

:^)

You really don't know what you're talking about bud.

Nigger orcs, knob goblin shaman and whore boys.

Thank you.

TIME TER ROLL YA ZOGS

So what leaks do we have for upcoming dlc?

Nice try, but im not falling for it. Here is your (you).

Nightgoblin archers. Orc Boar Boyz.

Do you think GW finally realized killing WH was a mistake?

PONTUS WILL BE NEXT

Is that a mod or are you stacking upgrades from buildings etc, if so what?

I am literally the worst at this game, so here's to whatever race I'll attempt an EASY playthrough on so I can at least beat the game once. Sigmar, Ulric, Morr, the Ancestral Gods, Gork and Mork, please save me from having to play Chaos.

I heard some rumors that the "creative" department and the financial department were not allowed to communicate

Any how, I hope they sleep well at GW these days

this is the user im talking about

Their sales for Warhammer increased because of Sigmar

So no, I dont think they give a fuck.

Abusing the AI hardy means much when they are all skeletons and low teir shit.

I beat 4000 units with 700 chaos and lost minimal men, Using the top unit tends to win any engagement.

You can stick a unit of Oathsworn against a banner of eastern spearmen and they will beat them.

Stat wise, their core units are fine. Good stats all round and they rarely rout. Quarrelers are borderline OP.

They just get ruined by good cav/flying units as they have no good answers for it and their playstyle is very linear so it's easy to counter them if you have the right units.

If their specialist, late game stuff gets boosted to help them out with their weaknesses, they would be a lot more effective.

Giving Slayers charge defense vs large and boosting Gyro damage and anti-air capabilies would be a good start. Making Trollhammers good vs air would be pretty useful too.

The way GW is going down the shitter someone will buy them in the next 5 years.

>Most of the time they go for marauders and skip the chaos warriors chain
they dont have chaos warriors building at all user, only the actual warriors of chaos faction can get them

I'm taking 10:1 bets the free faction they're talking about releasing is Bretonnia which I have mixed feelings about but whatever. It'll be nice to actually have a reason to go west of the Reiksland or south of Wissenland on the campaign map.

It increased when people panicked and realized this was the last shot they would get at completing their armies before they scrapped all the old models. And then they got even more sales when they scrapped them and put them on last chance buy

>increase damage on spell
>it doesn't increase in game
This is infuriating.

>low tier shit
Half of all those armies are units you said would rape dwarfs. You have no argument, kill yourself.

Had Balthasar Gelt become supreme patriarch, also Altdorf gets an unique mage building (so do vampire counts if they conquer Altdorf)

>tfw will never have clones in your council

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Played by Tzeentch

They must have worked out quite a lucrative deal, royalty probably brings in more money than the miniatures.

Do Orcs get any special cut scenes like Manfredd sieging Altdorf?

get fucked, sigvald is even the weakest chaos lord for the majority of the game

Slayers are so bad, i charged them head on with reiksgaurd and they lost.

The units in general dont excel at anything, and are easily countered by every faction they have no options. That is why they are the worst.

Every other faction has an answer to dwarfs, but the dwarfs cant do much against an anti infantry and cav heavy army.

>still no mod that makes magic not floppy horse dick
Why is this taking so long

I feel violated.

1-2 Nordland
3-4 Hochland
4-5 Middenland
6-7 Ostland
8-9 Reikland
0 fap instead

>Charging non-spear infantry into cavalry
>They lose
You don't fucking say?

You can easily mod it by setting unit size to small :^)

He's a weak shitposter, just report and ignore him

Magic is good. Just direct damage vs multiple unit is shit. Single target spells like accuse and other stuff is still OP as fuck. AOE debuffs are also OP as fuck.

>wanted to fap

Nordland it is

>Not playing as the best race edition
Can't stand dwarfs because their first 10-15 turns are so easy

Yet again the AI is shit and abusable, You can win greatly out numbered battles by just kiting with fell bats and dogs.

Online they are trash and easy to counter, same when you play against them in campaign.

Hes shitposting, just ignore him.

The fact is Empire/Chaos/VC and Dwarfs are fairly well balanced, considering the introduction of monsters and large units, and the majority of their unit rosters make sense.

Only orcs pulled the short straw, and I suspect its because they didnt bother to increase the unit sizes for them enough because of performance concerns. Once a mod increases it they will be fine.