Let's discuss height over time

Let's discuss height over time.

How accurate is this claim?
researchnews.osu.edu/archive/medimen.htm
>Men from 12th century nearly as tall as modern men

Also, why have average heights stagnated in the West and fallen in America?

Is it because of brown immigrants?

Were people almost as tall as us in the middle ages? How about before that?

>Also, why have average heights stagnated in the West and fallen in America?

Mexicans are short.

shitty processed food?

It makes sense. As Europe developed more and more of the population depended on grain from intensively farmed enclosures.

>Also, why have average heights stagnated in the West and fallen in America?

Lack of Vitamin D retarding bone growth because of excessive fear of skin cancer.

Bullshit.

The answer is very simple, because we can't get much taller. While your height does depend on your lifestyle and diet, there is obviously a genetic limit to how tall you can get. Now that the large majority of the population has access to an abundant food supply, that limit is simply easier to reach.
No idea about the US, maybe is actually right.

>Were people almost as tall as us in the middle ages? How about before that?
In general, people were much shorter in the pre-industrial age. Although there are exceptions such as Charlemagne, who was said to be almost 2m tall.
Also, as far as I know the romans were pretty damn short because of their diet and mediterranean genes: roman sources often emphasize the height of the nordic people compared to them, which might lead to believe the average height difference was at least slightly larger back then.

Apparently Plains Indians were the tallest people in the 19th century.

look at the axis of your chart for a second. USA has fallen like 1" in 30 years. That could be caused by literally anything.

not completely, we have huge amounts of estrogen in the waterways from flushed pills and tampons and shit that then cycle into the crop rotations etc and other testosterone blocking chemicals jam fucking packed into our modern day environment, plastics etc. could definitely account

Very accurate, but don't think we were always manlets. 19th century diminution has been attributed to the conditions of the time.

It's only fallen in the US because of Asian and Central American immigrants, if immigration ceased it would level off because the children of such immigrants are uniformly closer to the average American height than to the height of their parents.

Right, but native Bolivians -- who are genetically so similar as to be imperceptible from Plains Natives on most genetic tests -- are some of the shortest individuals on Earth.

It's not genetic, but a mix of diet and lifestyle. Weirdly enough, non-genetic heredity may also play a role, in that a third-generation Bolivian immigrant is statistically taller than a second-generation immigrant, despite presumably having the same diet and lifestyle.

Not just browns, but immigrants in general. Low food consumption is linked to short stature.

You can easily see the difference when you compare an immigrant person and a first gen offspring of the immigrant.

As a son of immigrant, I'm literally almost a head taller than the country origin of my parent.

Lemme guess, SE Asia?

Thanks

Genetically, Asians (south and east) and certain groups in Africa are shorter than Indo-Europeans.

Peak height is 20-25% nurture and 75-80% nature.

northern europeans were taller than southrons because they were less overpopulated due to the hardier conditions, and so they were less malnourished.

more people in rome = less food for each individual roman.

that's why northern diets center around steaks and hamburgers while southern diets center around pizza and spaghetti.

>italy and france are manlets
>sweden is not even 180
>netherlands was king of manlets and now it is giant tier

Nice chadscience, explains how tge dutch, being one of the most densly populated areas in europe are amongst the tallest.

Also, "sothern" eropeans, that is, the dinaric bosnians/serbs/croats are the tallest people in europe on average.

Yes, and no. Yes, because a lot of new Native American immigrants are literally course to 4 feet tall. Malnutrition. No, because the diet of modern middle classes has become shit due to industrial farming; see how Denmark changed in 1825 maybe. Yes, because that immigrants child will be 5 feet 5, and grandchild 6 feet nine.

It was really weird seeing a oaxaca grandpa, pa and son all walking next to each other after church one day, the height differences obtained in 40 years were insane. Not all of it is malnourished, obviously the grandpa was able to grow to maturity. We just have an abundance of food and the capability to do well-rounded exercise (see: Amazonian boatmen who have gigantic lumps sticking out their right hips if they are right-handed.).

Dinarics live in rural, backwater, underpopulated regions where they eat traditional foods which is why they're taller.

Dutch are the tallest because they're wealthy enough to import whatever food they want.

Chinese millennials average 6 foot because of dietary changes there since modernization.