/twg/ - Total War General

>4 stacks of chaos all with legendary lords show up at once
>Sigvald the Magnificent and his stack detach from scary bird n co.
>beat his army
>"CHAOS DEFEATED"
>the 3 stacks with Kholek Suneater, Archaon the Everchosen and bird man just vanish

WTF IS THIS SHIT SRS WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA

SPOOKY SCARY CHAOS OVER WITH A SHITTY STACK AGAINST A HALF STACK AND NOW THATS IT!

>I just want more TWW
There will be for the next 10 years! it was a 10 year plan CA talked about, right?

God tier units:

Greatswords
Black orcs
Demigryph knights (Halberds)
Quarrelers
Fell bats
Grudge throwers

High tier units:

Demigryph knights
Rock lobba
Halberdiers
Handgunners
Outriders (GL)
Longbeards
Goblin wolf riders
Savage boyz
Chaos warhounds/dire wolves
Crypt horrors
Miners (BC)
Steam tank
Spearmen

Mediocre units:

Swordsmen
Crossbowmen
Empire knights
Goblin wolf archers
Goblin spider riders
Goblin spider rider archers
Crossbowmen
Dwarf warriors
Ironbreakers
Doomdiver
Zombies
Skeleton spearmen
Grave guard
Cairn wraiths
Orc boyz
Big uns
Savage big uns
Thunderers
Black knights
Forsaken
Chaos marauders (great weapons)
Dragon ogres
Longbeards (GW)
Goblins
Orc arrer boyz
Arachnarok spider
Boar boyz big uns
Hellcannon

Low tier units:

Reiksguard
Pistoliers
Outriders
Spearmen (shields)
Great cannon
Mortar
Irondrakes (both)
Slayers
Hammerers
Miners
Cannon
Trolls
Chaos trolls
Night goblins (any form)
Goblin archers
Savage orc arrer boyz
Giant
Chaos Giant
Orc boar boyz (both)
Savage boar big uns
Hexwraiths
Black knights (lances)
Skeleton warriors
Grave guard (GW)
Crypt ghouls
Terrorgheist
Varghulf
Chaos marauders
Chaos warriors
Chaos warriors(GW)
Chosen (GW)
Chaos spawn
Chaos trolls (armoured)
Chaos warhounds (poison)
Dragon ogre shaggoth
Chaos knights
Marauder horsemen (both)

Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier:

Luminark of Hysh
Helblaster Volley Gun
Helstorm Rocket Battery
Flame cannon
Organ gun
Gyrocopters (all shapes)
Goblin wolf chariot
Orc boar chariot
Vargheists
Crypt ghouls
Chosen
Chosen (halberds)
Chaos warriors (Halberds)
Chaos knights (lances)
Chaos chariot
Gorebeast Chariot

It's nice not having 1000 Spearman vs Spearman battles

ALSO BEASTMEN WHEN I WANT TO AMBUSH EMPIRE SHITS

>mfw I actually want to play every faction at least once
the campaign is much shorter than in other games
tricked again

Can you defeat chaos in the game ?

This tier list is absolute rubbish and you should feel bad for making it

God tier lords and heroes:

Karl Franz (Deathclaw)
Azhag (skullmumcha)
Mannfred (Hellsteed, Zombie dragon)
Witch hunter

High tier lords and heroes:

Chaos sorcerer lord (death, Manticore)
Runesmith
Empire captain/paladin (barded warhorse/pegasus)
Balthasar Gelt (Imperial pegasus)
Chaos sorcerer lord (metal,Manticore)
Night goblin shaman
Vampire
Wight king (barded skeletal steed)
Louen (Beaquis)
Lord (Bretonnia, Hippogryph)

Mediocre tier lords and heroes

Lord (Imperial gryphon)
Warrior priest
Light wizard
Dwarf lord
Exalted hero (barded chaos steed)
Orc shaman
Warboss (Warboar)
Chaos sorcerer (metal, manticore)
Chaos sorcerer (Death, Metal, Chaos steed)
Kholek suneater

Low tier lords and heroes

Bright wizard
Thane
Ungrim Ironfist
Thorgrim grudgebearer
Celestial wizard
Damsel
Grimgor Ironhide
Goblin big boss (Giant spider)
Vampire lord

Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier (lords and heroes edition):

Prince sigvald the magnificent
Archaon the everchosen
Master engineer
Chaos sorcerer lord (fire)
Goblin great shaman
Chaos sorcerer (Fire)
Banshee
Necromancer
Master necromancer
Heinrich Kemmler

see:

yes, in fact, it's one of your main goals

This is the first TW where the faction pack dlcs are really exciting.

Its still too green and shallow right now to keep me absolutely engrossed, im anxious to see how much they improve with parts 2 and 3.

Please kill yourself, and never post that rubbish again

>Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier:

>Vargheists

??

>Helblaster Volley Gun
>Organ gun

>Bad

Those are some shit opinions you got there

These aren't COMPLETELY inaccurate but it's also nowhere near completely accurate either. Basically, stop posting these fucking lists like it's some sort of agreed upon thing, people are only okay with tier lists when they're A) not shitting up the thread, B) actually generally agreed upon, C) fucking having a point for existing

STOP POSTING THIS SHIT IN EVERY GENERAL YOU AUTISTIC FAGGOT HOLY FUCK

>there's no orc boyz with spears

>goblins w/ spears are worthless

>>Helblaster Volley Gun
I actually agree on that one. A cannon does a better job.

Its really unfortunately because its my favorite artillery piece by far. Gonna have to mod it to be better.

orc boyz should be a mixed unit

>Luminark of Hysh
>Bad
15% physical immunity to troops near it is the complete opposite of bad.

>dwarf kin
>vampire

Being the bulwark against the largest and most endless chaos invasion I've experienced in this game has made the stunties love me.

orc boys in the tabletop have access to spears, so it would make sense

at the very least there should be a spear orc boy unit

this not happen to anyone else ?

It's a shame that wiping out all Empire, Bretonnia and Dwarves are part of being a vampire, cos we're all getting along really well. I mean, I'm corrupting half the planet which is basically slowly killing everyone, but we're all friends.

>orc boyz
>using spears

Not choppy enuf.

Orc halberds when

They're choppy and stabby at the same time

They already have those fucking gits who use bows.

>orc boyz
>no orc girlz

my soggy knee

How come some lords have really hard quest battles when most of them are piss easy?

Poor balance

I was disappointed when I found out Orcs in Fantasy are the same as 40k Orks. The thought of Orcs reproducing deep in the bowels of the world by some fucked up means (see Darkspawn in Dragon Age).

sort of yes, maybe not exactly like eliphas, but basically the way chaos guys sound in dow, its a decent mixture of angry with crazy

I wonder what the mini/historical campaign packs for Warhammer will be.
The rise of Sigmar/Nagash/Sotek, the War of the Beard and the Sundering are all pretty viable, after the relevant expansions obviously. Maybe Waaagh! Gorbad/Grom as well.

First vampire war when

Gelt got some good and challenging quest battles. Though your army comp has much to do with the difficulty.

Oh fug I forgot that.
>Based Vlad may be playable in your lifetime.

Well, they do vary quite a bit, what units you bring can make a big difference too though.

Skaven have that sort of thing going on.

I am dumb.

Should this be able to run total warhams on ultra with above 40fps? Currently going on high/medium and it get choppy with multi stack battles. Am I fucking up.

There's so much they could do for Warhammer. I'm hype.

I like how they put some incredibly cost efficient shit in the lower tiers

Like duh that early game unit isn't designed to compete with endgame shit

hurry up you gits, the waagh is getting ripped apart there

I would love to see The War of Eight Peaks, but I guess maybe it's too small an area to cover in a mini campaign.

There are so many great invasions of the Empire that would work though.

I'm doing gobbos and azhag's just seems insane for something that's unlocked at level 8

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

ITS CALLED A PIGSTIKKA YA FUGGIN GIT AND IMMA STIKA MA PIG IN YA

SUMMON

Nigga something is seriously wrong if you are not getting 60fps at minimum

I can't remember the details of that one.

The Grimgor one that takes place up near the Chaos Wastes was a bastard for me. Hellcannons and infantry at the top of a massive fucking hill, then cav reinforcements from all angles.

oh god help

What do I do, I don't know what could be slowing it down, ive never had this problem on previous pc's so Ive never looked into it.

U ZOGGIN WUT?!

Why the heavy sarcasm

Azhag's is chaos wastes against 3 stacks

I don't mind hard quest battles but let me take my own extra stacks up there

PIGSTIKKA YA GIT

YOU IZ NOT ORCY ENOUGH

Oh I remember now, lots of monsters and shit right?

I had a ton of Black Orcs for that one.

Kislev has just been released and one of these guys must lead your nation against the Chaos invaders, who do you pick?

How am I supposed to play campaign overworld in these games I suck

Young Putin

>very hard Empire run with ELECTROCUNT as my LL
>unite reikland no problem and grab Middenheim, sitting pretty and watching settlements grow for a few turns
>grab a trade deal with Kislev, Weissland and Stirland
>Nordland and Ostland just hate my guts (and what the fuck Karl's questline wants me to get a military alliance with Nordland, and they're -20 for great power (sitting only on reikland???) and -15 for aversion (???), along with most others just grumbling
>Brettonia's cool with me though
>confederate Stirland, get two castles and half an army out of the deal
>everybody hates me harder
>Vampire Counts declare war
>fucking bring it Manfred
>BTFO a few Vampire Cuck stacks, burn Essen and Talabecland keep as the Vamps had expanded there
>suddenly SKAELING DECLARES WAR
>four fucking three-gold chevron stacks lands on Middenheim's port and sieges it
>manage to keep Mannfred at bay with my understaffed stack keeping Talabecland keep as Karl rushes to save Middenheim
>all-out war ensues as the Skaelings keep sending armies, and Mannfred with his lesser vampire sluts barking at my door
>finally the thread unravels, start losing castles on both sides as agents keep hindering my armies to reinforce the sieges
>less income than I have in upkeep, despite getting a truly sexual trade agreement with the dwarfs for killing skellingtons
>my armies desert me because they're not getting paid enough to fight skeletrons and vikings

help

Mannfred's sword quest was so hilariously easy that the third wave of enemies ran away before getting within 500m of my guys. I guess goblins aren't so great against crypt horrors and scary vargheists. Still, most of my army was just skellington spearmans. There's no way they actually expect you to march all the way into the fucking badlands though, so I'm glad you can just teleport.

Finally understood why I have most fun playing Empire even though they are the most "boring" race in warhammer.

They are the only ones with:

>usable infantry
>usable archers
>usable artillery
>usable cavalry

Funny how after the flavor wears off it all boils to essentials.

Yeah vamps ones are piss easy

I don't think you could actually march there without dying of attrition
So just like goblins but really overpowered too?

>I don't think you could actually march there without dying of attrition
You could raid all the way there I guess but that would be fucking stupid

I'LL ZOGGIN STIK YA WIF ME CHOPPA YA GROT

Sergey for melee monster
Pyotr for campaign effects

>Fell bats

Elaborate.

>Funny how after the flavor wears off it all boils to essentials
>funny
It really isn't unexpected, isn't this the same thing fantasy fans use to pick apart the unit variety in historical games? It really just boils down to the few unit types that matter.

Goblins against Vampires really is fucking awful, I had to load an old save when I managed to provoke the VC in my Gobbo campaign.

You mean they're the only ones with all four?

Same thing as any fantasy game.There's a strong race with some disadvantage, a weak race with some advantage, a few specialized race, and then the humans which are completely middle of the road.

Dwarfs work the same way for me desu, never really needed cav to win my battles and I prefer not using it even if I have to.

I've never been big on cav in ancient Total Wars, don't know why. I just enjoy spamming massive lines of super heavy infantry and rolling the enemy up like a carpet.

The only ones that have decent units in all 4 categories.

Orcs have all 4 too, but most of time you're better off without the archers, unless you're fighting other orcs.

Chaos was my favorite race in Fantasy, but they are so boring to play in total warhammer. Just endless melee spam. You can get few hellcannons and chaos knights to make it less worse but it's still so tedious.

>tfw Arra Boyz are pretty good in sieges because they are shooty and choppy

Dwarfs have some big advantages that you don't get in historical total wars though.

I can't do without cav normally. My friend who I play co-op with never brings any, it drives me crazy sometimes.

Chaos would be fine if they actually had noticeably strong infantry

At the 25 minute mark, the moshpit ork squad decided to fight me.

Only to immediately flee, because my Vargheists somehow just drained Goregrim's morale in an instant.

Some quest requirements are fucking strange.

Master of keks. Did you put everything in randomly or are you that retarded ?

I've not played as Chaos yet, when I've faced them they don't really seem like the super elite army you'd expect on the table top though.

Balancing, or lack of it, around the stack limit is causing some strangeness I guess.

Yeah I think the issue is that everyone gets 20 units per army

A small elite unit like chaos warriors is never gonna work in total war because they'll naturally get flanked

>feel bats
???

>rocklobba
Doomdivers are better

>Chaos warhounds/dire wolves
Actually quite pricey for what they do

>Goblins
Trash. They are cheap like VC units, but will rout instantly.

>Chosen
Not THAT bad. move them one tier up.

fug, confederating with bloody spears may have been a mistake, I got all that clay above deathpass, but I will likely just lose it soon to rebellions and inevitable war declarations anyway, though I suppose Gunbad I can hold, since it has a gold mine and is a city so pretty much impossible for the AI to capture

but then again, if I didnt take it the Dwarves would have, and fuck those manlets, the only downside here is that I now discovered the vampire spookmeisters and I really dont want to fight them, yet

>Grimgor auto resolve
>he accounts for over 70% of my armies kills, some ridiculous shit like 600

The unit system fucks over shit troops too.

20 units of Goblins are all individually rubbish, you can't mob them up into a few big scary hordes that would take forever to get rid of.

Dwarves are actually kinda like a Roman legion in troop composition.

Complete with their nonextant cavalry.

zombies kinda work as shit troops since they're so spread out they never die and they don't rout thus they stay in combat forever

So you can use them to secure flanking attacks

It's fine, radious will add auxillary cav from the humans

Quarrelers too.

If the sieges weren't so terrible I'd almost feel bad about abusing the fuck out of them.

I only pop up above ground to attack settlements as Dwarfs. The underway battles just favour you so much, especially if you get that one with the massive dip in the middle of the road.

Does Radious add cav for the Romans in R2? It's like their only weakness so I could see him doing it.