What is the historical basis and origin for racism?

What is the historical basis and origin for racism?

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Fear of the unknown. Same as the historical basis for love, murder and God, funnily enough.

>They are different from my tribe
>They must be eliminated

White people wouldn't be getting finger printed though.

Colonialist ideas radiating back in time.

Ultimately it was just people knowing people that looked different from their surrounding people were probably raiders or something else dangerous.

Racism as we know it probably was just a moral justification as to subjugating weaker peoples who look radically different.

Theyre different, therefore not part of the group, therefore a potential threat

I think it varies. Blacks attacking and harrassing white people is the basis for my racism.

ingroup vs outgroup. altruism is a pricey genetic trait and like prefers like, even simple biomachines like insects can discern kin and unrelated.

Shouldn't they have different fingerprints? Would it not make more sense if it presented three prints and three races, then asked you to match them?

> Evolution
> Nature
> /Thread

>Using the exact same fingerprint
>Thinking that three different people would have the EXACT same fingerprint

Niggers are savages

it's no better than creationism

>who look radically different.
>le race is only the color of ur skin meme xddddddd

Copypasta of the same fingerprint won't prove anything.

>Racism not allowed on blue boards
>What is the answer to 2+2?
>Do not give me 4 I mean a real answer

The compounding oh nature and nurture.
On the side of nurture, you have the firepower contagions and iron argument which led to the colonization enslavement and later general disenfranchisement of blacks.

This led to cultural and socio-economic mainstays such as lower median income , single parent households, drug and alcohol use, lack of education and gang presence as well as living in areas and conditions deleterious to health (lead paint, Low nutrition )

That said-

There is also the matter of the heritability of behavioral and cognitive traits.

This can be hormonal and neurological.
Take of that what you will.

Species,Humans are a species.

racism as a concept originated with america and the slave trade

the romans had slaves but you didn't see them pulling any kind of race related shit

>Latino
>A race

It was, in fact, the whole reason back then. Of course, the fact that they had different cultures and ideals didn't help, either.

>oh look, it's tribe [x] which has been violent towards us more than [y], lets close the gates

it was as farcical as the made up genders of today

The genuine basis of racism is that different groups have different cultural values and different geographic locations. Some groups adapt to different things hence skin color etc. Asians and ashekenazis are intelligent but in different ways. In general. Recognizing differences in races is hardly evil. Actually legal subjugation of other races is terrible.

Regardless, cultures and values can change and groups can rise and fall.

Scots used to be the stupidest people in all of Europe but decided to learn English and eventually became over represented in almost all fields after changing their culture to one that focused on education. Black people could be the 'smartest' race if they changed their culture and the same goes for any other race

>Implying Latin women weren't hungry for BGC

Step aside Latin boy.

Christians can't enslave other christians due to biblical reasons, can't really enslave muslims enmass because they are big centralized advanced kingdoms with no need to sell out other muslims. So the only other near by people to enslave were the non-christian africans. they then transported massive amounts of slaves to the new world, everyone knew it was amoral to enslave so they needed to come up with a justification, so their lack of Christian views were associated with barbarism then they claimed the owners were "humanizing them". So it was kinda a psychological 'pavlov's dog' with associating, so in white pro-slavery area culture the thought process was 'blacks are not christian therefore barbaric' then after generations of association the darker pigment of your skin would equal you being barbaric even if they were christian.

It does also involve the different tribe mentality as well

According to this image, you'd be considered Spanish if you had being 1/8 native blood and 7/8 Spanish blood, but not if you had 1/8 African blood and 7/8 Spanish blood.

This.

I blame the welfare state and drug war for the current plight of the african american population.

it has created the destruction of the nuclear family model

>This can be hormonal and neurological.
[un-biased reputable source required]

This, it was created by the eternal scourge of humanity, Amerifats

Wrong

Race is both phenotype and behavior. Whites were capable of watching the general trend of savage behavior and discerning that the trend is violence and savagery within the black race. To say race is only skin color is anti-intellectual

But if you gave every race the same amount of education/resources/everything, do you honestly think the average result of each race would be even remotely the same? You don't think there is any difference in genetics that manifests itself in a significant form?

But you can tell someones race/ethnicity via fingerprints.

forensicmag.com/article/2015/09/can-you-determine-race-fingerprint
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3253295/Fingerprints-reveal-black-white-Distinctive-patterns-person-African-European-descent.html
handresearch.com/diagnostics/fingerprints-ethnic-differences-races.htm
in-the-loop.net.au/can-you-determine-race-from-a-fingerprint/
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1559302/Fingerprints-can-reveal-race-and-sex.html

Tribalism.

>ooga booga they're different
>ooga booga let's beat them up

this basically applies to all of history

I think you may be using the wrong word for racial behavior.

>same fingerprint
>same person
>3 different races

Also race used to be a proxy for tribe, you could use race to determine is they were from your tribe. Eventually that got reversed, and race started to be used to create tribes. Tribalism is still alive and well, even in non racial contexts.

It may take more time or effort but it is possible even if unlikely.

I reckon that the main factor driving racism has been biological differences in skin color, skull structure, height, intelligence, and so on.

Racism is the natural mode for everyone, its a survival mechanism

time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/

Short answer: No
Long answer: No, you autist

Humans are savages*

underrated

It is basically just kin selection. Genes that make you treat people with the same genes in a favorable way, tend to survive in a population.

1440's. Portuguese sailors venture out of Europe and meet West Africans. Greeks met Scythians first so they assumed that the reason they lived different is because of the climate, Porteguse assumed that Africans lived differently because of their skin color.

T-Spengler

Natural evolutionary response to the supremacy of an ethnocentric survival strategy
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I assume that when the early European explorers first reached Africa, they were surprised by the complete lack of civilization on the continent, and assumed that africans must be inferior.

but slavery was far before christianity

It's a good question with a number of different responses. Unfortunately, dumbasses are going to ruin the thread with low quality shit posting.

>early European explorers first reached Africa, they were surprised by the complete lack of civilization on the continent
Europeans were trading with African nations and peoples for years.

I'm more interested in the historical basis for anti-racism.

Is Eric Zemmour right and anti-racism was invented by communists in the 1980s who wanted to keep being relevant even after the failure of communism in Eastern Europe, and that it keeps the same totalitarian methods it inherited from it's Stalinist and Maoist fathers?

>Europeans were trading with African nations and peoples for years.
we wuz traders n sheeit

I'd like to see your supporting evidence.

>Africa is country meme

Where did I say it's a country?

Also I was quite obviously talking about sub saharan africa, retard.

>Everyone outside my tribe is a potential enemy/rival
>Those guys who are different color/look are even more outside my tribe

You think the first thing euros did after ecountering African nation and empires was insta takeover? The committed trade for years before that.

>obviously talking about sub saharan africa
When? You didn't imply anything.

>You think the first thing euros did after ecountering African nation and empires was insta takeover?
Where did I claim that? If you read my post carefully you'd notice I talked about "early european explorers", who were portuguese and spanish explorers in the 15th century.

>The committed trade for years before that.
Before the 15th century? Please provide proof.

It was pretty obvious from the context I thought. I'll try to accommodate for the fact that you're a retard by making my posts explicitly clear next time.

>It was pretty obvious from the context I thought.
No it wasn't. That comment is so misused and fatigued it's meaningless now.

If you want to be understood, stop talking in memes and shitposts.

"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." -Zapp Brannigan

>No it wasn't.
Like I said, I'll take into account that you're a retard

>fatigued
I don't think you know what that word means.

>If you want to be understood, stop talking in memes and shitposts.
Not my fault you fail basic reading comprehension.

??????

you literally had the gayreek philosophers writing that Greeks were the best and everyone else were just barbarians. the concept of race goes way back

It goes further than that. Gentiles and Jews.

It goes further than that. Homo sapiens and neanderthal.

Veeky Forums truly is /leftypol/. You are all lunatics divorced from reality.

>were the best fuck the rest

pretty much that

Racism is literally just in group vs out group.
When your tribe is 32 people and the last time you met someone new he tried to stab you with a deer antler you kind of just learn to be racist.

Racism is hard coded into our DNA, and it's simply a fear of people we don't know. Certain actions cause people to get uneasy, people looking a certain way causes us to get uneasy.
Think about how many children are comfortable around strangers within the first 5 minutes of meeting them.

Not being racist to EVERYBODY is a learned thing. Being racist to specific groups that look different from you is fairly inherent too. It doesn't help that specific groups have reasons to actually be racist against them though, this makes it difficult to let go of the whole inherent racism thing.
I, frankly, get nervous around people that look or sound black. And by black, I mean that gangsta hood nigga type deal. Doesn't matter if they're white, black, mexican, they all make me uneasy. I can't read them well, I can't tell if they're mad, happy, joking, fucking with me, I don't 'get' them so I don't like being around them.
If it's a black guy that acts and dresses like he's white I have no issue getting along and I feel perfectly comfortable.

Russians inherently make me uneasy. The way they sound and the way they talk is also a bit hard to read, so I don't really enjoy hanging with them too much. I used to have the same problem with Germans until two German brothers moved in with my best friend on a student exchange program thing. After 2 years of hanging out with Germans I learned how to read them just as well as anyone else.

I don't have this issue with Asians because even though Asians are somewhat hard to read I've only ever been around the short smiling kind so even though I don't know them that well all my experiences have been positive and I have no negative stereotypes to back up my inherent racism towards people that don't look like me.

This

jewish devide and conquer tactics

>inb4 jewish "race"

Not just group vs group, but rather based making hard judgement based on skin color and discriminating them.

Racism actually isn't hard coded into our DNA. What's hardcoded into our DNA is the ability to perceive patterns, and make quick judgements. This expands towards everything we do. Racism as a thing didn't exist as long as human existed. The modern racism probably came into after Europeans started their age of exploration/discovery. They learned to catalog various places and make generalized statements regarding entire areas. This later evolved into a scientific definition and then into the conscience of general public. A little extreme measures by Hitler showed where this type of belief would lead, so people learned to abandon it on a systematic level.

>I am the Lord thou God who has separated you from other people
Lev. 20:24

so the jews

What the fuck are you on about? Racism did not begin in the 1500s.
And then you bring in Hitler literally what the fuck are you taking about?

Meant for

>made up genders

Please explain how clearly defined, biological reproductive roles are made up?

>"but they're not clearly defined!!"
Mentalities, feelings, and "hermaphroditic" birth defects do not change one's de facto gender

Hitler was racist against Jews. Not just common racism, but an extreme version of the common racism prevalent in the times.

I didn't say it began in 1500s, I'd say roughly about 13th century is when racism started coming into formalization. People knew there were different skin colors before. People knew they spoke different languages before. But it wasn't until around 13th century or so, that people got a more global view of things. The mongols brought in the picture of the central asia and tales of East Asia. The stories of Marco Polo depict the start of a trend for the Europeans. A trend towards exploring and cataloging. The 15th century onward was the systematic approach to exploration, later on solidification into a scientific racism.

If you intend to say "Jews were hated before", that doesn't apply. Jews were hated not because of their skin or race, but rather of their creed.

>racism was invented in the 1200s
Stop talking. Go read the Bible.

Tribalism and wanting to bond with people similar to you is nature. Fear / distrust of others is nature .

This is why retards who say "hurr durr no one is born racist " are wrong. Racism is nature. Getting away from racism is nurture.

Othello was written before there was any european colonialism in Africa. It is probably more linked to humans spending most of their existence on this planet living as tribes. Civilization is pretty new in the grand scheme of things.

Are you trolling
You'd better be

Not sure what you're going on about. Are you suggesting modern Bible is same Bible of ancient?

Ask any pychologist who studies IQ. It appears to be highly heritible.

Humor me. Tell of systematic racism before 1200s. Not of nationalism or religious different but race as a concept. A distinguished sets of customs/features/behaviors shared by different color set. Which historical period spoke of such?

All of them.
Religion is a cultural outlet to secular beliefs. The idea you're superior because x is just as racist whether you're claiming it's so because of you're religion or because of your skin color.

You really think the origin of religion is anything other than a justification of what someone believes but can't prove? The Jews saying they're the master race because God said so is really all that fundamentally different and not actually racist but Germans saying they're the master race cause Hitler said so is totally different and real racism because it's not religiously motivated?

The Greeks saying they're the master race and all other humans are savage barbarians isn't racism because...?

The Chinese saying they're the master race and everyone else is inferior isn't racism because...?

If you want to put a timeline on the creation of racism, a ridiculous idea of course, it originates at 2,000bce at the latest. It's earliest written evidence of existing goes back further than that.

You seem to be trying to apply modern conventions of race to ancient peoples.
The writings of the Jews speak of Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, and Babylonians as if they were all different races. Specifically they mention how the Jews didn't want to interbreed with them.
We know of course, with the exception of the Egyptians, they were all Semetic peoples that would be grouped under one race.
But that's not how they saw it at all. They all considered themselves a distinct and superior people to each other.
They were Semetics racist against other Semetics.

Also Babylonians may have been not Semetic I don't really remember what ethnicity they are exactly I just know ancient Hebrew writing considered them a different race and considered them inferior and Babylonian writing considered Jews a different race and inferior.

I think you're putting too much emphasis on the race thing. If they didn't know the others were semetics, how can you be racist against semetics? They thought themselves superior not because of race, but because of their religious creed. Their religious identity and cultural identity.

Cultural imperialism is a thing. You can have racist cultural imperialism and non-racist cultural imperialism. But those two are separate things.

Jewish superiority complex was due to their religious creed and religious savior saving only them. It wasn't based on race but on their religious worship.

The Greeks superiority was based on superiority of their culture and civilization compared to the non-Greeks.

The Chinese superiority was based on the concept of "learned man"/"wiseman" vs unlearned/ignorant man. This was defined by their understanding of what is considered wisdom/class/etc. You could be a barbarian but be superior due to being learned.

I personally think you're stretching this racism thing too far. The race as a concept is modern. What you exemplified were not racism but other things like religious creed, cultural imperialism, and intellectual creed.

Okay so it's not racist to think you're better than other people because God said you're smarter and better than other races. Race didn't exist before 1200 as a concept, all those writings about people different than us and how they're inferior isn't racism. Racism isn't racist until white people do it.

That's all I'm getting out of this shit. You're a dumbass that thinks the modern concept of race is the only thing that has ever existed.
The idea of race is exactly the same concept at the tribal level as it is the global level.
Just because we've actually clearly defined it now doesn't mean people didn't use the idea of race and were t racist well before that.

Ffs Italians weren't considered white until the last 200 years. Irish were considered sub human by the British for most of their time spent together.

Racism isn't black vs white, red vs yellow, that's modern racism. Ancient racism goes back as long as humanity has existed. It's the same damn thing, and it all originates from the innate fear if the unknown.

I mean dear god. Asians are the most racist people on the planet and have been ever since the various groups of Asians got together.
Japs, Chinese, Vietnamese and Koreans all think they're smarter, stronger, nicer, and just plain better than each other. They believe it at the genetic level, not the cultural level, and have for thousands if years.
Them disliking white people ever since they met the first white guy is just further proof of racism being a thing.

I can claim I'm smarter than Christians because Buddha made me smarter. Is that racist to you? Take a step back and think this through. This is a religious feud, not a racial feud.

You're confusing yourself. You've actually lead yourself to believe the ancient people were aware of the concept of race. This didn't happen. The ancients believe themselves to be superior to other tribes due to tribal difference in beliefs/customs/gods/etc. Not the race as we know (based on physiological differences).

Race as a concept is linked to skin color and physiologically shared common ancestors and common shared customs/culture.

This is not just a modern concept, this has been a concept since the age of explorations/scientific notion of racism/formalization of racism. The our definition of race comes from that era.

What you've been describing are not race but subsets. Subsets who alone don't make it into what is considered racism. If I say American culture is worse than Chinese culture, am I racist? If I say Buddhism is the only way to freedom and Chrisitianity sucks, is this racism? These are not racism.

Jesus christ. You're just confusing yourself.

based /twg/

By modern terms no. That's not racist.
By ancient terms, yes that would be racist, because their idea of race was much smaller and much less well defined than ours.

It all comes from the same place, and yes, racism based on physical appearance has existed since the BCE era. Again, Asians are a perfect example of this.
Vietnamese were considered inferior to Chinese by the Chinese. Even if the Vietnamese was raised in China the fact he was born of Vietnamese parents meant he was inferior. Same with Japanese. And Koreans. And don't get me started on Chinese opinions of Mongols which were very opinionated and took physical characteristics into account.

Basically every single instance of ancient groups saying they were better than other ancient groups take physical characteristics into account. The Romans thought the pale Gauls and Germanics, with their light hair were inferior, for physical reasons in addition to their cultural disdain.

And you keep mentioning culture. Have you ever wondered why every single culture always talked about how they were the best humans and other humans were inferior? You think that maybe cultural and religious reasons for looking down on people might come about because people are inherently racist and want to justify their distaste for people who don't look or act like they do?