/evn/ - Have you done any work today edition

>longish multi-route JVN vs kinetic EVN
rip in pepperonies

The adult version of No One But You just got released on MangaGamer's site. Is the Steam version getting a patch?

Wait Highway Blossoms is Kinetic? In that case, damn this is brutal.

Just checked the No One But You Steam forums, and boy are the people who bought the game pissed that it's still so incomplete compared to what was promised months ago.

That is some Touma-tier bad luck.

Shit.
Sorry for them. I was going to buy Highway Blossoms as well but a multi-route yuri VN is a lot more tempting than a kinetic one.

Is this the finished CG?
It looks good, it just looks... Unfinished. I'm guessing this kind of stuff is out of Rosuuri's comfort zone?

I'm surprised the KNDF hasn't arrived yet.

...

What's to defend? Kinetic novels can be fine, but surely everyone has to admit that when there's a comfy doujin KN vs a full-sized dating sim, the KN is going to get overshadowed, rightly or wrongly.

>implying demons exist

This month is yuri rich. Sakura Dungeon, Nurse Love Addiction, and Highway Blossoms all within about 2 weeks.

Is it taking the Umineko approach and telling you that a wizard did it?

What do you mean?
To me it doesn't look unfinished, just the eyes/expressions seem kind of weird.

It's been a ridiciulously good year for yuri. But is it best for the fandom that everything comes out all at once, or not?

Probably not. The list of yuri JVNs is really short, and most of the popular ones have been or are planned to be brought over already. As for evn, devs might back out of yuri if it feels like the market for it is too crowded. People will need to make their games stand out among the pack more.

I do feel a bit uncertain about doing another yuri game right now with the swell of things, but on the other hand with everything coming out at once, by the time I could actually get a new full game written and released that should mean less competition and more primed fans, right?

Depens on how good the last deluge of games was. If all of them are disappointing, I wouldn't bank on much of an audience by the time the next one rolls around.

Unless the west starts to get simultaneous releases with Japan, then I doubt this release pace can keep up. It's hard to tell how many evn devs plan to keep pumping out yuri vns though.

Even IF we got simultaneous releases, yuri-only games aren't that common in Japan, or haven't been in the past. Right now it seems like we're getting practically everything available, compared to the tiny fraction of bishoujo/otome that gets brought over.

and everyone continues to have it better than BL fans.

Enjoy your No Thank You and, um... try to get more EVN creators interested?

List of evn devs that release yuri vns.

-ebi-hime
-Hanako Games
-Alienworks, especially Raithfyre
-Unwonted Studios
-Razz
-Lupiesoft
-IDHAS Studios

Winter Wolves does yuri, sort of

>Lupiesoft
does it really count when it's dickgirls?

They have yet to release the main dickgirl game they were promising for forever, and have released one yuri game that isn't futa at all, so we don't need to have that debate.

Toko and Stargazers are supposed to be full yuri, while Menagerie had some yuri scenes without futa.

you forgot cyanide tea and apple cider, plus whatever the people who did brilliant shadows and pale spectrum are called.

oh and winterwolves. winged cloud has two pure yuri titles and a new one coming out sometime.
2/10 list

>brilliant shadows and pale spectrum
Yuri fans voted and those aren't yuri, they're tumblr the vn.

I need to start outlining my plot but I'm failing to come up with the protagonists goal fml, it's over before I've even begun.

It might be that she had a tight deadline or she didn't organise her time as well as she'd have liked. I have CGs that look a lot less nice than I'd like when I didn't calculate the time well enough or when I felt that what I was trying to draw was too hard. Ironically, being relaxed helps a lot too in terms of producing something that looks polished.

clearer to say they're not yuri-focused games, just games that include some f/f pairings.

>cyanide tea and apple cider
neither of which has released a single yuri game so why would they be on the list?

otome game with a yuri option is nice and all but it's a separate subject

>neither of which has released a single yuri game
Neither has lupiesoft.

let's commiserate over our shit writing skills
I can't come up with anything that's not "rotag is running away from shit again and again"

I meant fully yuri vns, or at least mostly yuri. Apple Cider's vns are otome games with a yuri option, which isn't really a yuri game.

Cyanide Tea's Taarradhin had male love interests as well, so that ones split.

Chapter 0 of Toko, though that's series is still in progress.

Has anyone played Starlight Vega? The art looks quite nice and is yuri too.

It's be a while since I played it but I don't remember any kind of actual yuri content.

It's as good as EVN yuri gets at the moment.

I agree with your opinion but you're in the wrong thread.

Cartagra suffered from being translated after KnS, which holds its story together better.

>art looks quite nice
it's not bad, but uneven as fuck and outright unfinished in some CGs

oh shit you're right, I didn't even notice. Cheers.

In my case I have a backstory thought up but no driving goal for him afterwards. It's basically the same as you only he's doing random shit over and over again. Mayn, dis hard, right? Do you have a backstory for your protag? What did you want the story to tell, anything in mind?

>It's as good as EVN yuri gets at the moment.
It's as good as EVN yuri with not-quite-H-scenes gets at the moment. However, both the art and the story are disappointingly unpolished compared to the amount of money they raised to 'improve' it.

Other games are more polished but less sexy.

>I don't remember any kind of actual yuri content.
They end up in a compromising position, go on a date, face licking and jealousy ensue, move in together, sleep together (nonsexually), confess, become a couple, and kiss.

>I don't remember any kind of actual yuri content.
The whole plot is about Toko and Nadia's relationship, how did you miss that?

It's terrible. The art is wildly inconsistent and poorly done, the story is meh, and there are a bunch of design choices that drive me crazy. I paid for it, so I am going to finish it, but it is a painful slog to get my money's worth.

>paying for evn

Dunno, guess I played the concept demo instead of chapter 0.

They confessed in the demo too. Chapter 0 only had the angel singer and witch arc added to it. Everyelse else was mostly the same, give or take a few minor scenes.

>expecting people to spend more than $10K making a game for free

I might also have quit after the first 10 mind-numbingly boring minutes when I found out it's a kinetic novel.

>I have a backstory thought up but no driving goal for him afterwards
maybe you can shift the timeline a bit and begin the main plot while his personal shit isn't resolved yet or something?
I only have a vague backstory with a bunch of key plot points figured, I thought I had a theme but it's not working now that's the plot was changed, so I'm fucked on that front, maybe that's the direction I should start thinking in

Don't comment on what's in a game if you never bothered playing past the introduction.

>evn

We've had... what? 2 releases this year? And WWLOS isn't even pure BL, it's mixed.

Time to make a sacrifice to an elder god, I guess.

Look forward to Seiyuu Danshi, the evn that ripped off NO, Thank You's GUI and some characters.

Try and stop me.

Literally worse than nothing.

I feel bad for not being able to offer any support but I find BL boring except in fanfic of established characters. I'd be up for BL routes in bishoujo games but a full BL game I could never do.

There's that yaoijam going on though, isn't there? Maybe something will come from it?

I don't need to when you make such obviously incorrect statements.
>This game that primarily focuses on a yuri couple has no yuri in it. HURR DURR

>maybe you can shift the timeline a bit and begin the main plot while his personal shit isn't resolved yet or something?
It's something I was thinking about. The backstory is mainly about his childhood, and I wanted to write for him at his very late teens/early 20's. I don't find writing a child character too appealing. Could work to extend his troubles a little.
>I thought I had a theme but it's not working now that's the plot was changed
Well, narrative doesn't have to follow a single theme, the theme could change at any time depending on what you're doing with it. I'm not sure what advice I'd give you since i've no idea what you're working with right now.

I'll put in more effort next time, senpair.

>I'd be up for BL routes in bishoujo games but a full BL game I could never do.

I actually like those, but most of the time the games end up pulling a True Love 95 and fuck that.

I'm looking forward to a couple of things from the jam, but even so the number of things being worked on feels really small.

Who will be the savior of evn?

Trump, when he cuts off Japan from the internet.

I'm trying user. If only I didn't need useless things like eating and sleeping I'd progress much faster.

me because i have a jvn mindset

We already have jvn from Japan.

I'm probably asking the wrong place, but why do people make/try to make EVNs? Seems kinda silly to make something Japanese-centric when you're Western. Like, VN's are a Japanese thing, not Western or English or whatever, so why try doing it when you're literally just... not the people that do it? Why not just write a regular novel, or do regular art most westerners enjoy since that's what you are?

Like, you're trying to do a certain genre/medium when you aren't the artist/writer that's meant to do it. It's like an Eastern artist trying to make Western art when that's literally just not how it works and then it comes out horribly because they're trying to imitate something you can't just imitate. You make "Western" art because you're Western, it's not something you just learn/do and vice versa.

I guess I'm just wondering why people are trying to imitate something you're literally not supposed to be doing in the first place, I guess. Not trying to say it's wrong but it's like... seems more like "wannabe" stuff than genuine, I guess, which obviously isn't good.

Is this a new pasta? Sounds retarded enough to be one.

why are you posting in english on an imageboard based on a japanese one

Why are japanese even using computers? They seem like a pretty white thing to me.

Shouldn't the be using brushes to paint their weird hieroglyphs on bamboo scrolls?

This is like saying Japan couldn't make cartoons because the west did it first. Wtf, bro?

What's so inherently Japanese about VNs?

Okay okay, I didn't word it very well, let me put it this way...

Like, to me an "English Visual Novel" ought to be a Visual Novel, but made by westerners/English people right? And obviously that's what's going on here, but everyone is trying to copy Japanese Visual Novels in everything except the language used. Like, rather than make an original VN in the style of English/Western works, it's just Western people trying as hard as they possibly can to imitate the Japanese and it just comes out looking... not very good, I guess.

Like, why not make a Visual Novel but with your own writing ideas/drawing style rather than "Okay well, the characters look like this in Japanese Visual Novels, so I'm gonna make mine look close to that cause that's just how it works" and the same with general plot/story. It just seems weird in the end cause you're trying to imitate rather than be creative and original.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

I can see your point to a degree, but anime styled art is everywhere, not just in English VN's. Actually, I'd say there are more western styled art pieces in English VN's, especially if you go to the lem forums. When it comes to writing, I'm assuming you refer to the genre instead, the otome, highschool, bullshit dating stuff. I agree to an extent, that market is oversaturated and I'd like to see different things, but other than the typical highschool scenario, stories are stories, there isn't a specific way to tell one, Japan doesn't use the same story or storytelling techniques for everything.

When it comes down to it, a lot of Japan VN's are the result of the creator liking anime/manga, and that's partially true for English VN's, a lot of them are anime/manga fans, so it's usually the same type of creators in the end - the only difference is publishers actually have an interest over in Japan and the market is bigger.

why are you giving that (you)'s? i could have come up with a better troll with my eyes closed.

just you wait, my troll is going to revolutionize this thread like none you've seen before.

Not all English vns are like that, it's just that the ones that usually sell well and are very visible are like that.

>Hopefully that makes more sense.
It does, but actually not. That is a pretty ridiculous and narrow mindset. Zero no Tsukaima is a ripoff of Harry Potter, the Dark Souls franchise is heavily influenced by the west, Log Horizon is (a smart) WoW: the anime. Saya no Uta wouldn't exist without Lovecraft.

If you are really concerned about being true to our western heritage, consider all the aforementioned works introduce their own Japanese twist to the base concept, even without consciously intending it. The same occurs even with the most weeabo-esque EVNs, so now you can wipe your forehead and yell "yippee!, we kept true to ourselves", although I think that concern is: 1) strictly theoretical in nature and 2) utterly pointless.

that caesar_ensalada guy on NOBY's steam page is bonkers. i've never seen anyone get that upset over a $10 game.

>i've never seen anyone get that upset over a $10 game.
You'd be surprised honestly. One of the big reasons I despise the general Steam/PC community is how entitled everyone is. Big games go on sale for 10-20 dollars during holidays and suddenly if that's what your game's normal price is then it's fucking shit in comparison because it's not a AAA title with a big budget backing it up and clearly you're trying to rip everyone off.

>adult narrative game
>interactive graphic novel

I can't tell if they've never heard of visual novels or if they're intentionally avoiding the term to try and keep the weeaboos away

Sounds to me like they are avoiding the term precisely to cater to normalfags. Imagine they go with:
>It's a visual novel.
Automatically, the facebook crowd who have never heard the term google it, hastily decide VN = porn based on the results, and proceed to demand its immediate removal from Steam because muh children.

It's going to get tagged visual novel as soon as it hits steam anyway, and was described as one by the siliconera preview.

Sort of funny in light of the occasional whining about how EVNs just want to be japanese

ugh, this.

> I want your VN to be 500k words long, to have voice acting by famous people, to have 15 routes and to revive Rembrant to illustrate it
> and it should cost 10 bucks

Question, /evn/. Let's say I'm trying to make a VN with a bit of gameplay. I take care of the writing, the music and the programming, but need at least sprite and bg artists. My first impulse is to simply commision and be done with it, but assuming circumstances force me to go into shared profits, how should I assign percentages?

It doesn't matter since the fact that you're thinking of profit-share is a guarantee that your project will never be completed, so why worry?

If you are so confident why don't you act like a good steriotypical villain and thell me all you know? You have nothing to be afraid of, after all I'll never make it.

Well, looks like you have a choice, Mr. user. Do rev share, or hope to finish your game.