What long term effects did the Vietnam war have on American culture?

>What long term effects did the Vietnam war have on American culture?

One of the worst memes in Veeky Forums history.

I rather think the unglorification of "serving your country" started when the Air Force started napalming villages.

It demonstrated that massive civil unrest can prevent the American government from waging unjust wars.

It illustrated (via the Pentagon Papers leak) that the government will knowingly mislead the American people in order to achieve its foreign policy objectives.

It resulted in the end of the draft and the creation of an all-volunteer military when the political and economic elites realized that it would be hard to justify foreign interventions when drafted soldiers were dying overseas for private interests. Also made Americans more cynical and less willing to die for ideological reasons like fighting Communism.

>Also made Americans more cynical and less willing to die for ideological reasons like fighting Communism
A decade of bringing Democracy to the Middle East has something to say about that.

The key difference being that its an all-volunteer military doing the fighting and dying. If the majority of soldiers were still draftees I guarantee we wouldn't be in the Middle East the way we are today.

Hippie movement, temporary communism in south-east asia, america denying war crimes, a lot of pissed off americans.

Also some pretty decent movies

dubs speak the truth

Plus that volunteer force gets some fairly nice benefits out of having served considering that many might have had trouble forging a future otherwise. The draftees in Vietnam really didn't get much of that.

Yeah, vets now get a way better deal then vietnam vets did.

I still don't know if hippies spitting in veterans faces and calling them babykillers when they got home was as widespread as muh conservative mil-fiction makes it out to be, but a lot of them probably got shafted with any mental health issues from their service

Part of what made Vietnam different was the fact that it was heavily televised and publicized. The press coverage in WW2 and Korea was carefully controlled to prevent the public from hearing about much of the nastiness. I have heard that many vets just became alienated after things like the My Lai massacre came out, since people started assuming that all soldiers were bloodthirsty maniacs.

first post best post.

Don't need cannon fodder anymore, just robots.

Lowered the voting age to 18

There is actually not a single confirmed case of the whole spitting on veterans thing

I agree with this.

>It ain't me starts playing.

The majority of soldiers in Vietnam were volunteers. The draftees were just the loudest. Most people signed up because their dads were the "Greatest Generation" who kicked Hitler in the teeth and felt that they had a lot to live up to.

proofs

There was only one masterpiece that had the Vietnam War as the setting my friend

>Spend months in the boonies where charlie is waiting to kill you and your friends but you never truly know where they are
>Every Vietnamese civilian could be a charlie in disguise
>Those who aren't charlie are killed horrifying with their whole families
>Lose friends to diseases, traps, VC and NVA
>Spend nights awake, every noise keeps you praying
>Finally you get home after the hell you went through when some hairy bastard who's never heard of a bath spits in your face saying it's all your fault that your a baby killer
>You don't reach over and snap their spine.
Face it annon. Any hippie who spat in a vets face would be broken in 2.

this seems an awful lot like conjecture and assumption

what if the vet is crippled and can't actually hit back?

It pretty much "made" the night stalker and probably a lot other serial killers
>As a twelve-year-old he was strongly influenced by his older cousin, Miguel ("Mike") Ramirez, a decorated U.S. Army Green Beret combat veteran who often boasted of his gruesome exploits during the Vietnam War. He shared Polaroid photos of his victims, including Vietnamese women he had raped. In some of the photos Mike posed with the severed head of a woman he had abused. Ramirez, who had smoked marijuana since the age of ten, bonded with Mike over many joints and gory war stories.

(cont.) as you can see, the return of 'nam vets coincided with a massive increase in serial homicide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program is probably to blame

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Mostly lame memes about ptsd

It's Summer.

Most of the people who spat on Vietnam war veterans were WWII and Korean War vets. See the book "The Spitting Image'.

what would that be?

'The Empty Field'.

Maybe 'Dienbienphu'.

FMJ

Matterhorn as well. Read it.

Does anyone else think the second half is just as great as the first?

I do.

Apocalypse Now(non-redux) is imo a better film than FMJ on the aesthetic level, but it's largely fantasy. It's just more engaging and interesting.

I support historical revisionism wherever it can be applied for literally any reason in any way though so disregard me if you care about historical accuracy at all.

Perhaps something similar to the Teutoberg forest.

>doesnt even know about apocolypse now or platoon
Kill yourself

ollie stone is a shitter

I honestly agree, but platoon is a great movie in spite of that, mostly because of small shit like the village actually having arms in it

American's fucking hated US troops in Vietnam, half the public assumed they were over there just killing and raping civs. 'Nam permanently tarnished the public's view of soldiers.

It instilled a burning hatred for hippies into the American collective consciousness.

The Vietnam war introduced hot blasians and anime.

84cMoPic?

Even worse, the dunce is going to summer school.

>all the commie fink faggots in this thread
>mfw

It heavily influenced US interventions in Latin America during the cold war - colombia, guatemala, etc.