Tfw no Christian Chinese empire

As far as memetic organisms go, it's got impressive reproductive ability.

Daily reminder that Christianity existed in China in by the 7th century.

>As far as memetic organisms go, it's got impressive reproductive ability.

why didn't christianity take off in india?

>the hat meme

Five years ago called, it would like its meme back.

It's literally the third largest religion.

Christians were the intellectual backbone of the Mongol Empire.

The Mother of Mongke (Great Khan), Hulagu (founder of the Il-Khanate), Ariq Böke (pretender who wanted mongolians to leave Chinese trappings), and Kublai Khan (founder of the Yuan dynasty and Great Khan) was a Christian.

What a world it could have been.

>2.3% of population
>1.25 billion people

hey 30 million is not that bad.

fedora didn't exist in 2012, that was the height of reddit and atheism's power on the internet.

the fedora meme was invented in 2014

This nigga JUST china harder than anyone else

>ITT:All these christfags happy that China is becoming Christian
It seems ironic christfags are happy an extremely materialistic and plebeian people are choosing Chrisitianity

Why would you deny Christianity's memetic status. No other religion except for Islam is as evangelical as Christianity. It is literally ingrained into being a good Christian

No it wasn't.

It's way older than that, I remember it.

cry more fedorafag

>and China will become a superpower in 2010

>can't make a proper response
>hurdur fedora

fight shitpost with shitpost

Do you think the average american christian would identify this painting as Jesus and Mary, and how many would think it's a painting of Chinese religious icons? Do you think people would make jokes about them having mushroom heads? Do you think the artist was on mushrooms when he made this painting?

hey no one complains when white people depict Jesus as a blonde aryan ubermensch, despite him obviously being a brown Semite.

>the fedora meme was invented in 2014

Buzfeed was using it in 2013.

buzzfeed.com/expresident/most-annoying-things-about-atheists?utm_term=.inEyO9pg0#.ptYQPq6np

Nobody has said that other than retards who were probably you when you were fearmongering for your agenda 10 years ago from now. It is untenable however that they will realistically become a superpower at least of parity if not of precedence against the U.S

Christianity is inherently plebeian, literally founded and flourished off slave culture. The entire fucking premise of Christianity is that you're morally superior to non-Christians and will be rewarded for being a good dog by eternal tenure in heaven while the bad, autonomous and thinking non-Christians will burn in hell forever.

This is a good thing.
Christianity is literal degeneracy to a culture like the Chinese.
Fuck these inferious Western/middle Eastern religious traditions.

>2016
>Placing all your value and strength in some invisible fairy tale
>Not practicing mastery over your own nature
I guess this is why "fucking" us such a bug thing in the West.

Either way, get your shitty weak ass religions out of the West -amd certainly doing take any pride in spreading this weak ass mentality and spirituality outside of your shitty fucking continent.

>Christianity is inherently plebeian, literally founded and flourished off slave culture. The entire fucking premise of Christianity is that you're morally superior to non-Christians and will be rewarded for being a good dog by eternal tenure in heaven while the bad, autonomous and thinking non-Christians will burn in hell forever.

The chinese State should finally flush down communism the toilet and purge it from their propaganda and institution names.
Making some kind of statereligion might help them to counter christianity.

Vietnameses countered christianity with Cao Dai.

1% in China literally equals to millions of Chinks. China being "most christian" would just mean that China has a lot of Christniggers.

Wouldn't last anyway if the weirdo cults gain power and China would Falun Gong their asses.

>Christianity is literal degeneracy to a culture like the Chinese.
If anything Christianity can only save Chinese culture now. Mao fucked it up for eternity with his dystopian experiments.

Don't argue with me just because you want to seem intellectually superior by being contrarian to those who criticise Christianity. I'm just really paraphrasing Nietzsche and his views of Christianity, which haven't hasn't faced any reasonable counterargument thus far.

academia.edu/7235042/The_Gospel_According_to_Nietzsche_Do_Slave_Morality_and_Ressentiment_Capture_the_Christian_Faith

carroll.edu/msmillie/perspectives/neitIII.htm

philosophy2.ru/library/pdf/116544.pdf

Nationalism already does.

And that's what Christniggery is up against in China: you can talk about millions of converts, sure, but those will be under the scrutiny of the even greater number of nationalists.

Chang Kai-Shek was a Nationalist and he was Christian.
>paraphrasing Nietzsche
there's your problem

>he doesn't want the Kingdom of Heaven to rise again

Jesus onii-san frowns upon you.

And thanks to that and many other issues, he never shook off the image of being an American Stooge.

Chinese people will restore the glory of Christendom that the filthy and arrogant white man has left to crumble and decay

Chinks will reclaim Constantinople

How mad are you cucks?

The thing is Falun Gong's premise and administration were directly conflicting in interest with the CCP, while right now the CCP endorses Christianity (look at their state owned media, they praise Chinese Christians a fuck tonne) because of the collaboration and mutual inclusivity.

You say this as though nationalism and Christianity are mutually exclusive. They're not, the brain and the human thinking process is flexible af. A testament to this is the strong overlap between Christians and nationalists in the United States. In China, I imagine it would be more or less the same.

Chiang Kai-Shek was a nationalist on paper but he was extremely incompetent and so detrimental towards the nation that despite massive American funding he literally lost to a charming fat fuck running around the country persuading peasants against him. The 'nationalists' are a fucking meme and have never had the mandate of heaven upon them evidenced by the fact throughout their tenure they were constantly divided and fucking up.

Tell me one philosopher or remotely renowned intellectual or give me one common argument against Nietzsche or at least one against his idea of slave-master morality.

desu he received much more aid from fucking Stalin than from the US but that's not the point. The point is that Christianity isn't inherently opposed to nationalism. And Mautist version of nationalism isn't really the best thing Chinese ever came up to.

>The 'nationalists' are a fucking meme and have never had the mandate of heaven upon them evidenced by the fact throughout their tenure they were constantly divided and fucking up.
And godless pseudo-communists somehow had the mandate of heaven, no?

>Tell me one philosopher or remotely renowned intellectual or give me one common argument against Nietzsche or at least one against his idea of slave-master morality.

The best argument would be the entire Western civilization which has managed to subdue the world both culturally, economically and politically with "slave morality" ingrained within it.

What's the explanation for this? Is it the usual thing of heaven sounding nice or what?

>Jiang the Baptist.jpg

One explanation was that the elimination/suppression of religion during the Cultural Revolution left a void in a lot of people's lives, and now that the government is easing up on the suppression and the next generation is coming of age, religion is seeing a new renaissance.

I can understand that. What does the Chinese government think of this though? From what I've read they don't seem to like the idea of large numbers of their people being united by anything other than nationalism. Imagine if a significant portion of the Chinese population actually starts trying to live by the teachings of Jesus! 'eye of a needle' and all that.

The CCP is the master of using people.

Furthermore you are talking of the sanctioned churches. The same government shits on the heads of Christian groups that wont toe the line and get a party-monitored religious association like the rest of China's religions.

You're taking the 'mandate of heaven' in the simplest form which is the literal idea of it; you're a fucking retard. It simply (if you have the cognitive ability of a 3rd grader, you should be able to have inferred this yourself) means approval on part of the Chinese people collectively so that their approval and feelings of positivity towards the administrative power at place would make them in general more productive, much less resentful and thus stable as chances of rebellion are few. The fact the 'godless pseudocommie government' did the largest raising out of poverty in the history, spearheading an irrelevant country into the worlds' geopolitical chessboard, increased education, life expectancy and general material availability is why they have the mandate of heaven. It was never on the Kuomintang (nationalists) because their entire administration was characterised by instability, a distrust of the government and military branches and a general antipathy against the government on part of the population that despite Soviet funding, Chiang couldn't prevent a fat man with little to no connections to the administrative powers to basically rally up the people against him and take the fucking country.

>Philosophy and historic-political ideas must be black and white

Jesus christ kys. Look at Christianity; when Christianity was most fervent in Europe, it was a complete shithole in comparison to the Middle East and East Asia. It was when there was genuine discourse and atheistic (or at least partial atheistic, or dubious) sentiment among the population that innovation and conquest happened. Nietzsche's specified example of slave master morality with Christianity contextually speaking would refer to the very late 19th and early 20th century, wherein it is untenable that European powers were spearheaded towards downfall.

can you shoot yourself please?
you think the PRC will allow your mcburger churches to spring up in china without any vetting process?

What? That's exactly what he's saying. You're agreeing with him.

>It simply (if you have the cognitive ability of a 3rd grader, you should be able to have inferred this yourself) means approval on part of the Chinese people collectively so that their approval and feelings of positivity towards the administrative power at place would make them in general more productive, much less resentful and thus stable as chances of rebellion are few.

Not him but you are an idiot. You need to read a book, specifically pic related.

Mandate of Heaven is literally right to rule granted by the heavens. Many cultures had this ideal. Not just the Chinese. It is given to rulers who are proven to be just and fair - it is something which is earned - the people have nothing to do with it past observing it.

Wrongo.

Some people had shit like divine right in which the Monarch is appointed by an infallible God. Even if you had a sucky king, you can't do anything against it.

Meanwhile the Mandate has a strong civic addition to it: if you can't rule well, the people are justified in the eyes of heaven for revolting. In fact, they are EXPECTED to or else heaven will just continue to be pissed off and leave the land in disarray.

tl;dr Mandate is 2 Way. Not unilateral.

addition: divine right is forever. Mandate can be revoked.

Holy shit, you're an idiot. That is literally what I just said.

Here I thought we were talking about achieving the Mandate, not what it actually meant.

Of course that would mean you are wrong, just stop.

>all these non-Chinese talking about Christianity in China

Yeah, China has a lot of Christians. China also has a lot of Muslims.

And mainstream Chinese society hates both groups for ruining other people's fun.

It seems to me the Taiping were the ISIS of their time.

>while right now the CCP endorses Christianity

So then why are they bulldozing churches in Wenzhou just for having steeples with crosses?

>They will come back when Westerners do
>Aka never

Too late

They are already abandonning the Western degenerate hedostinistc society for a christian one.

Catholics (42%), Muslims (4%), Protestants (3%) ... Beyond belief, young French also more strongly identify with a religion that a decade ago: only 34% of 18 -29 years were connected to a religion in 2008, according to the survey on values carried in the same year at the European level, against 53% today.
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.la-croix.com/Religion/France/Des-jeunes-plus-croyants-leurs-aines-2016-07-24-1200777920&edit-text=&act=url

Not only are Spaniards attending Mass more frequently, but also youths are rediscovering the priesthood and religious life. In 2013–2014, the number of Spanish diocesan seminarians increased for a third consecutive year to 1321, a steady growth from 1227 in 2010–2011. Active female religious orders are also vibrant—each year, about 400 Spanish girls become non-cloistered sisters, a slowly increasing number. The number of women at the Poor Clares Convent of the Ascension in Lerma has surged from 28 in 1994 to 134 in 2009. One of the Lerma nuns, Sister Verónica, created her own community, Jesu Communio. The Vatican approved the rapidly growing order, known as the “sisters in jeans” because they wear denim habits, in 2010.
....
Furthermore, Spain is not only experiencing a religious revival of its society, but its public sphere is also turning away from the moral relativism of Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s government (2004–2011).
firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/06/is-spain-regaining-its-faith

Religious attachment among Quebecers, meanwhile, rose from 26 percent to 34 percent over that time period.
huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26/quebec-no-longer-canadas-most-secular-province_n_2762519.html

ATHEISM BTFO

muh dora

Chinese transcription would actually be Yehan. Funny how Chinese has done a better job than English in preserving the pronunciation of J as similar to Y.

The Mongol Empire was mainly administrated by Persians and Chinese. I don't think so, especially since Mongols tended more then anything favor Islam after Tengrism.

Also speaking of religion, Christianity is the fastest growing faith in Iran. Its growing at a rate of about 2.5% a year when it comes to adherents, if anyone cared.

Not mad at all, that sounds great. Just don't come to America or I'll shoot ya.

NO YOU GOOK
CHRISTIANITY IS ON THE RISE
ALL WILL BOW BEFORE JEBUS BY FORCE

The early Mongols (Genghis and his children) really disliked Islam. Muslims dirtied rivers, which were considered sacred, when washing for prayer and they thought halal was unnecessarily cruel. The Mongols only started accepting Islam when the civil wars started and everyone had to secure their powerbase by converting to whatever religion was dominant in their region.

Many of the Persian, Turkic, 'Chinese' administrators were Christians, again especially in the early empire. The region was far more diverse than it is today but also because one of the first states that allied* itself to Genghis was a literate Uyghur Kingdom who had a significant Church of the East population.

Even in Kubalis court these Uyghurs were given a place of honour for supporting the winning team so early.

*Submitted with violence.

Majority of Persian officials in the Mongol Empire were not Christian.

>What's the explanation for this? Is it the usual thing of heaven sounding nice or what?

Same explanation for every historical instance of Christianization in history.

Political influences and coercion

>he doesn't know how to quote people

This your first day here off Reddit?

>The Mother of Mongke
True, but Mongke himself was a traditonal religionist
>Hulagu
Converted to Buddhism on his deathbed
>Ariq Böke
Traditional religionist
>Kublai Khan
Traditional religionist

So you straight up lied about half the list, and one of them was apparently more impressed with Buddhism.

>while the bad, autonomous and thinking non-Christians will burn in hell forever.

>Being slave to your passions is being autonomous

>hey no one complains when white people depict Jesus as a blonde aryan ubermensch, despite him obviously being a brown Semite.

Honest question: did you just fucking crawl out from under a rock? People complain about that all the time.

>you can't exercise discipline without being Christian

Shit, I better go tell all them Stoics, Taoists, Buddhists, etc. that they're just slaves to their passions and aren't actually leading lives of temperance and virtue because they don't think everyone that disagrees with them is going to hell.

>Christian.
>Discipline
Says the religion that fails at bans on premarital sex, eating pork on fridays, and forcing women to wear wimples all the fucking time.

>, eating pork on fridays, and forcing women to wear wimples all the fucking time.

Ahmed pls

Are they majority Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant? This is important.

>LEL HE MUST BE MOOSE LEEM, CLETUS :DDDD.
Oh I am sorry.

It's just that being from Singapore and being neighbors with insufferable, emotional, Filipinos whose missionaries claim moral high grounds but they themselves are a fucking mess, sure means that Christianity automatically leads to discipline.

What i meant by this image, is that the exterior appearance meant nothing.

>sure means that Christianity automatically leads to discipline.

A serious practice of christianity leads to discipline, but it's true christians tend to be loose morally speaking, but it doesn't mean the moral they preach is inferior or equal to other religious beliefs.

South Korea got Christcucked but they're even more superficial and vapid than Japan. Christianity has literally no effect on chinks.

Curse the Silk Road. Islamic highway into the East.

>Is it the usual thing of heaven sounding nice or what?
The Red Guard destroyed nearly all Buddhism and indigenous Chinese religion, leaving only pithy trappings that are more tourist-y than anything else, or folk superstition.

Christianity with its strong modern media presence and the fact that Asians culturally follow gods and spirits that promise them things, it's not hard to believe that a materialistic and increasingly dystopian nation like communist China would find the "worship this one guy and he'll take you to heaven after you die" attractive if for nothing else but simplifying the "which one of these deities is going to give me the best afterlife" question.

>The Red Guard destroyed nearly all Buddhism and indigenous Chinese religion, leaving only pithy trappings that are more tourist-y than anything else, or folk superstition.

Actually Buddhism bore the brunt of the Cultural Revolution since it's pretty tangible (Monks, Temples, Books, etc.)

Folk Chinese religion largely survived because...it had almost none of the above. Plus its highly personal: why the *fuck* would you destroy a memorial to your Grandad? Also even if they did, tough tits, cleaning your Grandad's grave is an act of worship in itself.

I mean its still the largest religion in China by far, folk religion.

>Christianity with its strong modern media presence and the fact that Asians culturally follow gods and spirits that promise them things, it's not hard to believe that a materialistic and increasingly dystopian nation like communist China would find the "worship this one guy and he'll take you to heaven after you die" attractive if for nothing else but simplifying the "which one of these deities is going to give me the best afterlife" question.
Chinks don't like the "be frugal n shiet" at all. We look down on Filipinos for being Christian for this very reason.

>"look, their religion is duping them to be poor, what cucks."

>The Chinese are beginning to rebuild/restore temples and followers are worshipping old gods again.
>"Touristy and folk superstition."
You Christians are disgusting.

Protestant, I believe.

>It seems ironic christfags are happy an extremely materialistic and plebeian people are choosing Chrisitianity

Perhaps they are converting because they are unable to find fulfillment in their materialism. As for the plebeian message, Christianity from the very beginning has been a religion of plebeians.