Friend of mine does belly dancing and I went to see her show the other night...

That's not a bad way to think of a lot of what happened when either Islam or Christianity decided something was unforgivable or had to be upheld without compromise. Apostasy, heresy, agnosticism, and so on are generally not considered crimes in Islamic jurisprudence if it's kept to oneself.

so if i am in Saudi Arabia and in my house I tell my wife to pole dance for me, it's all good?

Yes, or at least that's how it used to be. Modern gulf kingdoms and Islamic Republics are a lot more invasive and might send in police to raid and root out any treason/sin.

Fun fact: Orientalism has memed you into thinking that is the belly dancer's outfit.

Actually it was this.

>Fun fact: Orientalism has memed you into thinking that is the belly dancer's outfit.
Is she wearing it?
Is she belly dancing?

Then it is a belly dancer's outfit.

I prefer the meme desu

Yes and no. It's also because something done in private without adequate witnesses cannot be held against you in an Islamic court. So you could privately have homo sex and if there's no witnesses there's no legally punishement and it's officially in the realm of between you and God on judgement day

user how did you even come across this video?

Are Arabs ass-men? Beginning to notice it amongst them.

you never see a man unironically twerking, do you?

Women had more rights in Mohameds time than they do in modern day Saudi Arabia.

According to polls, apparently pretty much everywhere outside of Europe and east asia prefers ass to titties.

I'm something of an expert on Pre-Islamic Arabia, as in I actually know things about it in a world where people don't even know its a thing.

Arabia was divided between settled peoples who were either farmers around a settlement, or urbanites within a settlement, and then the Bedouin, semi nomadic pastoral tribes people.
Though these peoples lived in the same areas and had frequent contact, their cultures were quite different.

Our biggest insight is the Qur'an, it being a reaction to Pre-Islamic Arabia. The settled Arabs were clearly a lot more lax, women probably dressed in a similar manner to Byzantine women, nudity and belly dancing was almost certainly a thing, as the Qur'an being Abrahamic encourages women to cover up (though crucially not a burqa as I'll get to) and not shake their lady parts protectively. The Bedouin Arab women were different, they wore burqas and totally covered up and were not even allowed to be seen by men, we know this because the Islamic tradition of this stems from the Bedouin Arab culture, not the Urban Mecca culture.

It's the same with rights too, though Pre-Islamic Women had very pitiful rights, we know they at least had some, Muhammads first wife was a wealthy widow who owned property and had her own merchant business. However it was common practice to kill female babies on birth because they were undesirable. It seems again the Bedouin women had absolutely no rights, as the majority of reforms in the Quran given to women, such as their right to own property (which must surely be aimed at the Bedouin, as clearly city women could), the right to inheritance and the right to divorce, all seem to be aimed at Bedouin women. In any case, reforms such as these demonstrate that pre-Islam, it must have been a bad deal for women without wealth and influence.

Kinda true, I guess.

But at the same time western women have the biggest breasts so that may be why.

Truly the master race

Again, kinda true. USA is being the retard of the bunch as always.

is this Mata Hari?

To be fair, we're only about 60% white.

Ass-uming you are correct, the blue area should have a larger percentage of white people, than the red are.

>But at the same time western women have the biggest breasts so that may be why.

Yeah you don't know how hard it is to be a man in Norway walking on the beach during the summer holidays. Even women who are not particularly attractive in general have massive mammaries.

>Norway
>beach
>summer

It's fucking warm here m8. 25'C now.

We also have beaches.

Shit, color me surprised. I always pictured Norway a frozen wasteland, kinda like Skyrim.

How's life treating ya up there?

Go for her, mate
I believe in you

>I always pictured Norway a frozen wasteland

It is though, most of the year.

>How's life treating ya up there?

Pretty good. How's life in your part of the world?

Great. We're actually not so far apart. I'm from Netherlands - the land of sunny beaches and tropic climates.

That's more of a thing in Central Asia like video is in Afghanistan

The Non-meme one is body-hugging. This is modern but sort of follows the same logic.
youtube.com/watch?v=t0JL06tYsEM

If it was so forbidden how did it survive 1400 years under islam also women had significantly less rights before islam.
For example they couldn't inherit.

I think literally all of those states are in the top 15 whitest states

I'm a chink in Malaysia so i get a dose of islamic history thru curicullum

They actually kinda ignore pre islamic arabia, claiming all is jahillia, where he prosecuted by his own clan, and there are yunani and the arab christian. I'm actually curious on this topic so please continue

"Islamic culture" is not a monolith it has basically never been. People would drink alcohol and draw Mohammed at points for God's sake.

Oregon is pretty fucking white and east asian, so what's up with that?

You guys all realize Arabs used to be significantly more liberal in their society as whole several hundred years ago as compared to today, right? There's no fucking way Omar ibn Abi Rabi'ah could ever write half the lewd shit he wrote in Mecca anywhere in the modern ME. Nigga literally was peeking out foreign booty at Hajj and wrote about it all

Omar Khayyam's poetry about drinking alcohol also. Also random assortments of poetry and songs about love, sex and romance.

Arabia was extremely patriarchal pre-islam. Believe it or not islam made it one of the most liberal socieites on earth at the time, which is where all the "islam supports womens rights" bullshit comes from

But Muhammad lived in the 600s. I doubt belly dance was banned in the Caliphate for centuries yet still managed to survive.

Oh yes, Muslims love to deny Pre Islamic Arabia was anything other than simple tribesmen. Here is a classic example.

al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/arabia-islam

>The most remarkable feature of the political life of Arabia before Islam was the total absence of political organization in any form. With the exception of Yemen in the south-west, no part of the Arabian peninsula had any government at any time, and the Arabs never acknowledged any authority other than the authority of the chiefs of their tribes.
>The modern student of history finds it incredible that the Arabs lived, century after century, without a government of any kind. Since there was no government, there was no law and no order.

This is bullshit. Ancient Arabia is a lost land, ignored by most archaeologists, mostly blocked off by the Saudis, we only have glimpses, but the sand has preserved some very obvious things. There were cities all across ancient Arabia, huge cities, huge kingdoms. From what little archaeology has been done shows us these kingdoms lasted centuries, some, like Saba in Yemen, the only one they can't downplay, lasted over 1200 years. These Kingdoms were rich as fuck because Frankincense and Myrrh grow in Arabia, which were widely needed in European pagan religion, so they were sold at a hefty price. Likewise the spice trade from the east passed through Arabia. So Arabia was rich. It was also more fertile back in the day, at least along the western side, we have evidence of large scale farming, and complicated land ownership laws and rights. We also know about the huge Marib dam, such a thing could only be build by large scale organisation. We all know Petra as the famous rock carved city, but Arabia is actually full of cities carved into the rocks, simply ignored by historians and Arabs alike, except for a few.

Thanks for the historians here who know about Arabia and Islam. It's good to know things weren't always like this..

I'm surprised that there aren't many historical sources surviving describing Classical Arabia. You'd think the Greeks and Persians would have a lot to say about the region. We barely know anything about the Nabateans and they were a pretty big deal.

You idiots know that's because of obesity, not because there are a bunch of busty petites walking around?

THIS

Any cow can be 250 pounds with double D's, I like boobs too but a nice firm, nicely ass requires actual work at the gym in must cases, instead of being fed hormones and corn syrup from birth to grow fat floppy titties that start to sag at age 20.

*Nicely shaped ass

So where was the split between them and Rome? Who banned shota first?

Yet the traditional view isn't entirely wrong either. The Quran does mention the existence of these cities and kingdoms, but most tellingly refers to them as ancient and lost. Arabia in Muhammad's time was not the same as it was in Zenobia's time. The kingdoms of Arabia by then had all collapsed, leaving a few generations of anarchy that despised the notion of kings in favor of tribal sheikhs. The only thing that could unite Arabia then was something above the notion of a king, and that was a prophet.

No
In pre-Islamic Arabia women were second class people just as they are in Islam.
They were poor nomads who lived in tents like the Mongols and had little architectural feats except for some clay brick buildings which is what Mecca used to be. They would constantly war with each other and often engaged in raiding and plundering and the defeated side would often leave the women behind.
That habitude simply transferred into the Islamic era with maybe a few changes.
Even facial and head coverings like the burqa have their roots in pre-Islamic and Semitic culture.
South Arabia is a different story but that culture was usurped by the Islamic culture of North Arabian origin .
The other exception perhaps is the few Persian and Roman vassals such as the Ghassanids who probably enjoyed somewhat of a more favorable arrangement due to their relational standing.

Maybe porn doesn't correspond to race.

These are the same people who call the west deviant... Jesus Christ