Why should humanity tolerate psychopaths?

No that would be the authoritarian statist fascist collectivists and their arbitrary restrictions on freedom and the individual

I don't think psychopaths are bound to a single ideology. Plenty of communists, liberals democrats, fascists, monarchists, libertarians are psychopaths.

>Psychopaths, or the class of people who both reject and exploit society, should not be tolerated.
If we take this to its logical conclusion, then the most unacceptable people and most liable to the label of 'psychopathy' are creative artists of all kinds and successful businessmen.

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Define psychopath.

Anyone classified by the state to be as an undesirable (a.k.a. "Designated Villian), especially those who control assets that can be confiscated.

This. Psychopaths care about themselves; ideology is mainly a tool for them in a Machiavellian power game. Despite Walter Langer's outdated yet popular assertion to the contrary, clinicians generally agree that Hitler didn't exhibit sufficient psychopathic traits.

The best way to manage psychopaths, apparently, is to reward them for prosocial behavior; they don't respond to punishment the way most people do, as they just try to figure out how to still get what they want while avoiding punishment.

Brain scans are a red herring, I think. It helps to see them as people completely overrun by their egos. Everyone more of less knows what this means and what this looks like, even in the US. It sounds convenient but the only ones who don't or would claim that they don't are probably psychopaths or in the process of succumbing to terminal egotism.

And I didn't imply we should kill them. Maybe put them in an enclosure somewhere?

Why does OP seem like an edgy teenager who thinks psychopaths are common or intelligent?

Protip: 99% of psychopaths aren't Maximillian the evil chess master

They're Jamal, Santos, and Reggie who "just need a dollar bruh"

I was referring to both kinds.

So...the death penalty. We already have that, what's your point? That we should execute psychopaths who haven't broken any laws?

>you will never be allowed to kill whoever you want and get away with it

>The best way to manage psychopaths

What would isolating them from society cost us?

This can only end well:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia

It's literally your proposal put in practice.

Because they are the ones in charge of society. Most politicians are psychopaths.

A lot, because you'd have to spend considerable resources to detect them and then spend even more isolating them in prisons, etc. High-functioning psychopaths would just become jailhouse kingpins and might destabilize prisons and affect the corrections process of the non-psychopathic population.

I think using four factor model helps here. The factors being Interpersonal, Affective, Lifestyle, and overt Antisocial.
Studies have found positive correlations between IQ and the interpersonal and affective factors and negative correlations between IQ and the lifestyle and antisocial factors. But I believe those who had none of the factors were more likely to be intelligent the first group. The issue with these studies though is they usually look at criminal population which I'd argue is already selected for low intelligence.
I wouldn't be surprised if people who primarily exhibit the first two factors have basically a normal intelligence distribution.

Psychopathy is basically recognized worldwide. Symptoms are plentiful and observable. The rejection of society would make you a "dissident" anywhere, from a Paleolithic cave to the ISS.

>the corrections process

I'm talking total isolation for life. A large enclosure the size of a small country with a wall around it. No contact with humans. Allow them to live and die by they own principles.

I'm sure you think you're being reasonable, even talking common sense, but I assure you that you're not any better than your Soviet predecessors.

So it all comes down to what policy you are advocating that those with power should do to those who they identify as "psychopaths".

>But I believe those who had none of the factors were more likely to be intelligent the first group. The issue with these studies though is they usually look at criminal population which I'd argue is already selected for low intelligence.

This is a major issue with the study of psychopaths. Most people aren't going to go to a therapist and take the PCL-R to find out whether they're a psychopath or not, it is most often only administered in prisons by very specially trained psychiatrists.

And for the non-prison population that does take the test, what will be their reaction if the results indicate psychopathy? Most would probably just deny it and refuse further study or treatment, others might embrace it because they found out "who they really are", commit crimes (violent or non-violent), and the diagnosis becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Back to /pol/, faggot

You sure showed him

So a modern-day Alsatia? Or are you thinking a modern-day Devil's Island (an isolated but heavily guarded prison island)? This is an interesting idea, but wouldn't they just form power blocs, eliminate political rivals within this isolated society, and work to break free for further gains in power?

I don't see why political views or property would matter. Most psychopaths are apolitical middle class.

I believe in grassroots justice, actually. A community has insight into people and context for their behavior that no institution can hope for. At least when it comes to violent specimens, they should be allowed to oust them and at least partially prosecute them.

Yeah a Devil's Island, inverted fortress, guarded by a small army, the whole nine yards. There wouldn't be that many of them, no one would survive long enough, and psychopaths aren't known to work together.

>ITT: NORMIES WANT TO GET RID OF ANYONE THAT ISNT JUST LIKE THEM

STOP STOP STOP REEEEEEEE

>an den ah shot dat nigg- I mean Sy-ko-path what come inta mah community lookin ta cause trubble

You're literally proposing Salem Witch Hunt 2.0

>"i dont like this guy he said mean words to me he's a psychopath"

You're not intelligent

Perhaps an unsightly state of affairs for the naive, and even more so for the psychopath, but so is cleaning an abscess.

You're literally the definition of pseudo-intellectual faggot and your proposal is retarded

Because exploiting society often means contributing to it anyway. That and because a society that draws lines to put people behind is one that's more likely to put you behind a line. Finally, because society doesn't actually exist; only its component individuals do.

OR we can just have rule of law like we already do and not have vigilante slayings and murder like you seem to think is necessary.

Sociopaths you mean? If we can't treat them they should be euthanized.

Psychopathy/Sociopathy is a spook

Because a juvenile MS Paint comic really deserves a thoughtful response.

The threshold would be a lot higher than that.

I have to say, you sound nervous. Emotional manipulation and abuse - "mean words" - are a tell-tale sign of psychopathy. Is this your still-incorrupt side issuing a distress call?

>he thinks psychology memes have basis in reality

Wouldn't that cost a ton of resources to maintain watch there all the time? While you're correct that many psychopaths aren't known for cooperating, more high-functioning ones would likely recognize that it is on their mutual self-interest to band together, use the less high-functioning ones as tools by promising them rewards, and inevitably forge some type of escape plan.

You could counter this by designing plans to thwart such alliances, but people who think like that would probably be psychopathic themselves, so you'd have to somehow reward them to make it worth their time, in which case you still have psychopaths in normal society.

Why should humanity tolerate infidels?

Why should society accept and protect those who proudly reject God?

While I understand the importance to leave no room for arbitrary punishment, I believe you can settle laws in ways that put people under the sword who violated a clear threshold set by shariah law.

I believe in grassroots justice. A community has insight into people and context for their behavior that no institution can hope for. At least when it comes to impious specimens, they should be allowed to oust them and at least partially prosecute them.

>"mean words" - are a tell-tale sign of psychopathy.
I can't even tell if you really believe what you're posting.

>blatant shameless contradiction
>because ME
>society doesn't exist, only I do

There you are!

>The world needs bad men.
>We keep other bad men from the door.

You're just grasping at straws now.

>like what if they pulled a con air lmao

I don't know, shoot them?

You equating of human society - a real, tangible, invaluable asset that has saved you from humiliation, torture, and death countless times - with some kind of tyranny tells me everything I need to know.

Okay, but how do you recommend dealing with them aside from keeping them in prison forever when punishment clearly doesn't work on them? Just instant death if a test indicates that you're a psychopath?

>with some kind of tyranny

*with some kind of tyranny based on abstract whims

I don't care about punishment or rehabilitation. Only about keeping them away from the rest of us. Lifelong imprisonment in total isolation from society achieves that goal.

>tfw all problems in the world can't be blamed on a small group of people and you have to contemplate the possibility that most people do something to cause it

I never claimed they're responsible for all problems. Only for egregious act of social parasitism. Which CAN be defined, CAN be blamed on them, and CAN be fixed.

>mfw 9/11 was the work of 19 retards and if the FBI's International Terrorism people had done a better job, the world would be dramatically different
>mfw people have no idea how powerful random losers really are

no to all

the entire democratically elected government took part in retarded things. how silly you are to think anyone has meaningful power in the face of passive incompetence.

That's fine, but your initial idea of isolating them so that they could run their own version of society had occurred in various criminal havens beyond the rule of law, and is inevitably replaced by incorporating that territory into the rule of law and placing criminals, psychopath and non-psychopath alike, in prisons, which are obviously very costly to maintain.

Look at what is happening right now in the US, people are outraged by how many people there are in prison and how much it costs to run; 80s and 90s ideas of the "superpredator" who needs to be removed from society for a long time or forever, three strikes laws, etc., have really fallen out of vogue politically.

You can't stop them.

Well, everyone has power.

A handful of active people has the power to spur a mass of passive people into action.

That's the principle behind political movements, organized religion, terrorism.

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>OP wants to be able to round up people he doesn't like and banish them to an island

Sounds pretty psychopathic if you ask me :^)

>still attributing the desire to fix an axiomatic social problem to individual liking

Get off the ego ride while you can.

Reminds me of any comments section under a news story about a heinous crime. There's always a bunch of people posting their personal torture porn fantasies and accusing anyone who has a problem with it of "supporting" the criminal shithead.

In what way is it a contradiction? Generally if you want anything out of society you're still a contributing element to it in some fashion. Even the very lowest of the underclass still has a role in society.

Because everyone actually, can you say you don't belong to any arbitrarily designated collectives that someone wouldn't be willing to oppress you over?

Society is just an idea. If we stopped recognizing it, it would cease to be. The reason it "exists" in the limited capacity it does is because a whole mess of individuals have agreed that it should exist.

There, you got blown the fuck out. Go home.

they have the power to make them act retarded but that only exists because they wanted to anyway

Do we? I've only met one true psychopath and he's been locked away in a forensic psychiatric ward for 20 years and will probably stay there until his death.

Am I demonstrating psychopathic tendencies for questioning your axioms? Better start packing my bags.

If we stopped recognizing you - psychopaths - as people, YOU would cease to be.

>the guy who thinks he knows what is best for society says this unironically

You're not questioning anything. You're trying to derail the argument and poison my idea by claiming it is ego-driven, instead of conscience-driven.

I see you.

>the social parasite is out of arguments

I did question it but you ignored me and implied I was a psychopath.

>OK, so you want to get rid of psychopaths. But what constitutes psychopathy? Who determines who is a psychopath?

>Get off the ego ride while you can.
never

>everyone who disagrees with me is a psychopath
>but I'm totally not designating psychopaths arbitrarily!

>group A should be removed from society
>anyone who disagrees is part of group A
ur a genius op

I mean I replied here but...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Signs_and_symptoms

So criminals?

Another meaningless noise from one of the billions of little cockroaches that I, The Manipulator, control. If I were to choose so, you would realize that people are nothing more than a game to psychopaths such as myself. You see, that idea you have, of removing psychopaths from society, was strategically implanted in your head as part of one of the many mind games that we play, probably a psychopath trying to eliminate the competiton. Every single idea you have was, since you are nothing but an insignificant, mindless little insect, along with everyone else who isn't a psychopath. The only hope your proposal has for ever coming to fruition is for a psychopath to decide it will, because all decisions are made by psychopaths. I bet you think the people who rule your society actually care about you, when in truth they're just using you for their personal advantage and entertainment.

I'm afraid all of YOUR arguments prove that YOU are.

>everyone more of less knows what this means... the only ones who don't ...are probably psychopaths
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Signs_and_symptoms

So the goon squad rounds up the undesirables and the local psychiatrist writes them a one-way-ticket to the Islanddome?

Incidentally, but one does not require the other.

How do you identify the non-criminal psychopaths?

Explain how, exactly.

With enough satisfactory evidence, yes.

Kill yourself, mate.

Corroboration. Let's say 10 people, if 10 people independently accuse you of enough antisocial behavior - manipulation, lying, emotional abuse, faking illness, etc. - you're off to Fuckhead Island.

I'm not your mate, pal.

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I saw Goody Osburn with the Devil!

What about the magistrate who hires thugs to bring in innocent people, who has a pocket-doc who can pencil-whip the checklist and frame them?

What kind of oversight are you proposing to prevent abuses of this unilateral banishment process?

I'm not your pal, buddy.

This will work perfectly I'm sure.

Wouldn't this just be done to everyone who is rather unpopular and happens to commit a crime?