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You did well sonny, here's your lunch money.
I'm getting sickof laying in the grass in a circle pictures.
what if they're floating in really clear water?
>kickstarter.com
> 2.5k initial goal
> all stretch goals reached at 8k
Like, what the fuck? Is this going to be 1 hour long? When (if) I do a KS campaign, my initial goal will have be about three times that just to finish, the game with most funds coming from other sources the, and I'm not talking about their initial goal.
What costs so much? Stop greedy rip-off artists.
One of my artists is very cheap and the other is not much more expensive, I just have a devently-sized game that requires lots of things.
Also, fuck editing posts on mobile. Should be:
>my initial goal will have to be about three times that just to finish the game, with most funds coming from other sources, and I'm not talking about their initial goal.
>tfw doing everything by myself and my game won't cost me a single dime
Feels great.
See you in a dozen years when you finally finish it.
>2 threads
bravo
>implying group projects don't regularly get delayed into hell because they can't figure out how to cooperate
>one of them is in autosage on the tenth page
Who else is self funded solo developer with contracted art/music?
They still usually take less time to make than projects where eveything is being done by a single person, unless that person is a fucking prodigy and is able to work quickly, 24/7, with decent quality in all fields at one – write music, draw pictures, write texts, code, etc.
And even then, a single person will never be able to create at least a relatively, relatively decent VN, where a team has at least a chance to succeed.
There is also the point that making the second game will be easier for a good team because they know how to work with each other, while nothing will really change for a single person.
>a single person will never be able to create at least a relatively, relatively decent VN
Why?
It's so funny to me that yuri and yaoi vns are now being marketed as "progressive".
The days when I'll make a loli vn and normies will praise me for being brave and outspoken are totally coming, can't wait tbqh
Ever heard of ryukishi? UAB?
It should be "relatively big, relatively decent". My bad.
Because that would simply take too much time, require him to be good at everything at once, AND never lose the motivation and the passion throughout the years and years of development. I just don't see that happening and cannot remember a single occasion when it did happen. If you can, please do tell.
Check the catalog bub, there are 3.
>Dating sites are overflowing with normies now.
>now
When has this not been the case?
Imagining trying to explain why I like figures, *degeneratethings*, VNs, animu, cartoons, games and tons of other related degenerate things is enough to make me regret ever considering it in the first place.
>So um, why do you not have a job user?
>Well, I'm trying to make some money with chinese cartoon flip books, but if that doesn't work I'll get a job.
As she walks out the door.
Me, but I'm paying myself.
As the other user said, fucking ryukishi07, though I'll give his art is pretty ugly it didn't stop his games from becoming hugely successful. I can't speak for UAB but it think it's at least kind of long and has pretty good production values all things considered.
In any case that's a pretty pessimistic view, not everyone is a lazy shit. If working on VNs and other projects has taught me anything it's that it's not about "passion and motivation", it's a small part but it won't get you through anything. If you really want to get something done you just get up in the morning and you work on it. I don't think it's something most people would choose but it's far from impossible.
I understand why most people would choose the path of a group for larger projects and it certainly has many benefits, but I really couldn't do that. I'm a total control freak and I want every part of my work to be mine and come from my own vision. The skills needed to make a VN are skills I have in varying degrees and am continuing to develop. To me there's no appeal in paying someone to do something when I could just do it myself the way I want it. It takes time but I've done long term projects before and I have no doubt l can do this.
>ryukishi
He is not a Western developer and his art is mostly terrible. He either outsourced, was donated the music for his games, or used free tracks, AFAIK. And I have no idea if anyone helped him with coding. But yeah, I guess you could stretch him to count as an exception.
>UAB
Unteralterbach? Ehm, isn't it made by several people?
>When has this not been the case?
The early 2000's.
You said relatively decent, not stunning masterpiece. Ryukishi was quite successful. And UAB was just made by one guy.
>If working on VNs and other projects has taught me anything it's that it's not about "passion and motivation", it's a small part but it won't get you through anything. If you really want to get something done you just get up in the morning and you work on it. I don't think it's something most people would choose but it's far from impossible.
Yet what will make you wake up in the morning and work on your VN? You're saying passion for creating and motivation to continue wouldn't be that thing?
You say they are not necessary. What exactly would you replace them with? Desire for money? What keeps you waking up in the morning and working on your game? Even when you don't want to? That's motivation. Even if your motivator is money. It's still motivation.
Jesus, Grandma. What are you doing on Veeky Forums?
Also, I just noticed it kek but
>outsourced music
Ryukishi is a composer. He even calls his novels "sound novels" because the focus is on the sound more than the visuals. He makes all the music, writes the script, and draws the art. It's not that difficult of a concept.
arguing semantics mostly
>He makes all the music
Not true in the slightest, you should do your research before making claims like this. Most of the tracks in the franchise are done by dai.
>UAB was just made by one guy.
Then why are there several people mentioned in the credits section on its site?
Sound novel is also a term far older than Higurashi, it was how Chunsoft called their adventure games.
Hell, even before that VNs that weren't dating sims were referred to as Sound Novels.
Wasn't Kamaitachi no Yoru branded as one?
Yes, Anne Frank and JP Morgan teamed up to write a loli sex VN.
I was sure those are just ironic nicknames.
clear
He's dead, Jim
I'm still here.
Everything's gonna be fine.
The person in charge of it doesn't know how to finish a vn.
>>For Developers. Huge collection of guides on everything:
>>tfw your soulmate could be here, right now
So... where's the huge guides on everything
I get the feeling lately that there are many lonely desperate people in this thread.
OPs being a funny jokester
>The days when I'll make a loli vn and normies will praise me for being brave and outspoken are totally coming, can't wait tbqh
Mee too. Unfortunately, this will probably not happen in the next 10 years. And most feminists and purists will have to die or lose all their power first.
Don't expect loli to ever be accepted. If anything, it will become less and less accepted.
A man can hope.
Why not just make a story based around an adult woman instead of a loli? Is it really THAT important they have to be a little girl?
And before you say "They have to be young and unaware of the world" or something else relating to youth, you can do that with 18 year olds as well. Most 18 year olds still haven't gotten hit with the harsh reality of the real world.
Can you blame them? A lot of the people here are solo developers. Game creation is a lonely thing, man. There are even Talks about how ronery it is.
>Game creation is a lonely thing, man
If you make it like that yeah. There's a thing called development blogs, game development communities (We're kind of in one right now), and ways to connect with other people who'd be interested in working with you on your work.
Yeah if you sit in your room and don't talk to anyone you'll be all alone, that's your own choice though.
True, some people are fine with just words on a screen while knowing the people behind them are real.
Here you go friend, you want IRL face to face there's solutions for that.
Well, I personally love elder lolis (i.e. adults/elder creatures in child bodies). There's just something very enticing in someone who is much wiser and more powerful than they look. Well, and I like the body type too. Would love to make a game about a character like that. Perhaps I will one day, it would probably even be possible now with the right writing.
>you can do that with 18 year olds as well.
You can do that with a 40-year-old and justify that as them being immature and living all their lives in their parents' basement or whatever. What's the point?
> put a note section at the end of survey in case I missed something
> most people use it to leave nice messages
feels good man.
I know you guys are just a bunch of AIs, but even so I like you.
Would this count as a loli game?
Gamedev, lol. Who wants an emo or hipster game dev normie? That's probably worse than trying your luck at a bar.
Personally I really enjoyed Kodomo no Jikan, and it was important that she was a child in that.
Except for the very ending, the ending was a bit gross and just dumb pandering.
but you're the AI user.
Strawberry Vinegar already beat you to it. You weren't brave enough.
>I want face to face
>But I don't want to actually meet with anyone out in the real world
Like I said, your choice then, you're not gonna magically meet someone you get along with (Or your "soulmate" as OP put it) sitting around in your room posting about how lonely you are because you don't even try reaching out to meet others.
It's your choice, I'm just letting you know.
Does it have ero scenes?
Thanks, but I'm not the one looking for someone. I'm incapable of having any sort of meaningful relationship personally.
At least you can talk to them about videogames, maybe even animu. I can only talk whatever boring stuff with people in bars when I'm drunk, and that's an state I don't want to spend too many hour in.
I wasn't talking about love you goof, other people to talk to/dev with. OP's the one who wants love for some reason.
All I care about is love
That's what I'm here for
Yeah, that comment was the reason this whole discussion started.
Why go to bars then if you don't have anything to talk about with the people there?
It's out of desperation. The thought that someday there will be a QT who is also into VNs like you sitting there, waiting for you. With her cock-tail in hand.
Somebody to love
The comment that started the discussion was the bit about "Game creation is a lonely thing, man". It doesn't have to be if you try reaching out to other people. Honestly the same can apply to life itself if you want to go broader, but gamedev is not by any means a "lonely" hobby if you actually connect with other people also interested in it.
I'm not desperate. I'm just trying my luck if there's a grill out there who would make games with me. ;_;
>but gamedev is not by any means a "lonely" hobby if you actually connect with other people also interested in it.
This isn't gamedev though, or we'd be in /agdg/ which gets multiple threads a day. This is EVN, the bastard child of gamedev where we don't make real games, we make flipbooks.
It's still a part of gamedev though. We get so few posts because this is a fairly niche genre (especially in the west), but it's still a part of gamedev, or creating entertainment software at the least. The reason /agdg/ gets more posts is because it encompasses all the different genres of gamedev instead of this niche specific genre only general.
Same applies to meeting people or finding people with similar interests, look in places that overall relate to your hobby and look there if you can find anyone, or go straight for the kill and find EVN communities online. I never said meeting other people you get along with would be easy, but if you don't even try you really can't say it's a "lonely" hobby because you aren't even trying to reach out to as many people as you can.
Hell even then, just because someone isn't an EVN enthusiast doesn't mean you can't get along with them or become potential partners in work. Artists in general can work on visual novels created by others. Programmers can work on visual novels created by others. Musicians can work on visual novels created by others.
okay who wants to be my musicwife
We're all guys.
>guys
If by "guys" you mean being taco-havers. Sure.
At least 50% of this thread is male. At least 45% of this thread pretends to be female. I always answer female on the polls.
>not knowing about the hidden yuri game devs who are taco-owners.
Just because you lie doesn't mean everyone else does.
>not knowing about the hidden yuri game devs
Laughs. Guys can't make Yuri games or be into Yuri? I think you're confused. Guys are the number one supporter of Yuri content. Sorry to break the reality that you're posting with a bunch of hot girls, user.
>Guys
Are you not aware that guys are the minority in every yuri forum on the internet? You're laughable. Yuri was created by women for women. Sure there are porn of it but the soft content in yuri is pretty telling.
>Yuri was created by women for women.
Not even close. Girls like Yaoi and content with guys. Any statistic or poll will tell you this. Western women are the same as Japanese women. Yuri is for guys and lesbians.
Guys thinks that yuri is boring since they can't relate to things with no dicks in it. That works only in general porn. If it really is to cater to men, then why is yuri so fucking boring? Western women are not the same as japanese women. I'm not putting japanese women on pedestal here but they really are rather retarded when it comes to their sexuality, even their fucking society thinks that they're that retarded.
Hence the following trope
>They don't know dicks, so they're definitely just going through a phase
>Guys thinks that yuri is boring since they can't relate to things with no dicks in it.
That's the most warped thing I've heard in a while. By that logic men don't like women either, because they can't relate to things that don't have dicks. I swear to god Veeky Forums, stop learning warped logic from eachother. I guess that's to be expected when you get a bunch of shutins with warped worldviews together to discuss things day in and day out, but come on.
Who gives a shit? I might secretly be a woman, or a man, or Raithfyre, or JP, or your fourteen year old sister still fantasizing about you being banged by your best friend because you got drunk together that one time. You can't tell. You can fantasize if you like, since that's supposed to part of your skillset if you're making these games, but there's no point in arguing about it.
The yuri fans that expect purity are probably guys. Also, people always complain about the fanservice in yuri VNs pandering to a male audience.
>but there's no point in arguing about it.
That's like saying this thread has no purpose. The only time we're ever active is when we're arguing about stupid things.
How is it warped to not like things if you can't particularly relate to it?
Honest question. When boys go on school trips together and stay in, like, hotels and stuff, do they share beds like girls do, or do they each get their own?
It's not warped to not like things for whatever reason. It's warped to assume that EVERYONE doesn't like something because YOU can't relate to a story without dicks.
Not necessarily we were active when we're encouraging other devs to put their posts up. The previous thread was so much better compared to this one.
Think about it. Who adores females? Men. Why? Because we don't relate to them. They're interesting. Opposites. Two different sides of the same coin. Whether it's two of them having a relationship, a pinup of a sexy woman, or what have you, males adore females. So let me ask you this. If Yuri is pandering to females, what are they doing? The proper answer is, they're doing it wrong. It's like saying Yaoi and gay relationship VNs are aimed at attracting males. It's completely warped logic.
But it's somehow acceptable to assume that everyone on this thread are all men? Right.
Which, as we've previously discussed, almost always mean "I don't personally like it or find it tasteful".
In 3dpd lesbian porn it's much more obvious what's pandering to a male audience, because you get these ridiculous pictures where a girl with hugely long nails is posing vaguely near a spread-open pussy and sticking her tongue out in its direction and clearly wants nothing more to do with it. This problem is not very common in yuri.
Veeky Forums in general is largely men, unfortunately. You're expecting a niche thread within the community to be bustling with females? Not going to happen.
Huh? The person quoted said that men don't like yuri because there's no dicks in it. I'm not sure what that has to do with assuming everyone in the thread is male.
Nobody shares beds.
>Literally every poll and previous threads have women in it
>retaining tits or gtfo mentality outside of /b
This all started because someone assumed that everyone here are guys.
Just a poster confusing you for being every post in the same reply train up to the very first post. One of the downsides of anonymous boards.
>Think about it. Who adores females?
Everyone, because girls are naturally more adorable than gross icky men.
Also, girls are more affectionate and can get away with openly planting their faces in my bosom in public. People would think that was weird if a guy did it but with girls it's just 'cute'. Also they're shorter so they fit in the boobs more easily.
You're a literal imbecile if you think "no girls on the internet" means that less than half of this thread is women when it's very, very obvious from observing any community of Visual Novel developers that there is an overwhelmingly of girls who are working on these, and we held census at least twice.