Did the holocaust really take place?

Did the holocaust really take place?

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Absolutely and germans should have to pay every jewish person reperations

Yes.
The only argument to be made is how many people were killed and what number of the deaths due to internment were intentional or the result of famine or disease, which arguably is still the fault of the internment.

Yes it is true, the German government did order the internment of Jewish and what they considered "lesser" races, mentally ill, gypsies etc. Yes it is true that German government officials orders the murder of political prisoners, Jewish people, and many other sub-groups of people.

If you seriously need to ask this question, you have already made up your mind, it was not all just a propaganda campaign by the Allied governments and there is perhaps hundreds of thousands of examples of a intentional effort to kill and intern Jewish people.

You can never be 100% sure, but I'm roughly as sure it happened as I am that WW2 happened.

(((yes)))

>Yes it is true that German government officials orders the murder of political prisoners, Jewish people, and many other sub-groups of people

Evidence?

Yes, however some of the stuff in that book probably didn't.

Not him, but you might want to start by looking at Hans Frank's diaries and records as his time as governor of Poland.

This isn't my first rodeo in the holocaust denial arena jackass.
I could provide hundreds of pages of evidence, and you would respond in kind with "Jews Fabricated It". Because your mind is so addled and conspiratorial that you believe that hundreds of thousands of people who lived through it, hundreds of thousands of people who admitted it, and millions of people who found out about it are are just lying kikes.

So you have no evidence?

The post above you responded with a legitimate argument and legitimate evidence. You didn't. Instead you chose to insult me. Pathetic.

At the end of the day the only real question that matters is, "Who cares?"

>inb4 funny fedora meme

(you)

>no one refutes this
that's it guess I'm now a #nazimissile

For the sake of argument OP, lets assume it didn't.

In what way does it affect you at all?

Literally zero. You just want another reason to hate Jews.

I thought this place wasn't supposed to be /pol/

How does it feel to be on the RIGHT side of history?

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I am just asking questions. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. Truth does not fear investigation.

Apparently this (((truth))) does fear investigation since questioning the validity of certain aspects of the holocaust is a criminal offense all across Europe

If the Holocaust did happen, why is the world controlled by jews?

Chekmate, goyim.

google.com/search?q=nazi death camp documents

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

holy shit

Yeah and that's because they are ashamed of it, and are overcompensating.

It shouldn't be a criminal offense to question the Holocaust, but that's not the topic of this thread is it?

Crazy right?

Your kind aren't interested in "the truth" because you don't want the truth. Nothing anybody could ever do will convince you. It isn't fear of investigation, it's exhaustion. You have been waging this war for 70 years and you have nothing to show for it. We're coming up on the 23rd anniversary of Eternal September, the birth of the no-rules internet, and still you need to hide behind a mask of liquid crystal and fiber optics. Is it a worldwide conspiracy kept completely silent for decades? Or maybe...just maybe...we're tired of constantly running around in circles and have better things to do.

Another fantastic argument. You've convinced me.

I'm not trying to make an argument. I'm just here to say that nothing you ever do will amount to anything and the ideologically regressive minority that keeps saying they're "just asking questions" will fade into nothingness :-)

Thanks for opening my eyes to all this fantastic evidence to support your claims. I have truly come around to see your side.

Funny how Hitler is used as an example of the inherent dangers of nationalism but Socialism is not directly compared to Mao or Stalin.

Both represent extreme manifestations of the respective ideologies but only one is stigmatized.

The holocaust does seem to have been exaggerated to promote some sort of political agenda.

The truth of the matter is that people with milly nationalistic views/patriots have been silenced by political correctness and the bubbling angst from that is only beginning to show itself. You can't suppress peoples instincts.

> but Socialism is not directly compared to Mao or Stali

Yeah it is.

All the fucking time.

When you bring up Communism in the west the first images to spring into people's minds are secret police, labor camps, mass executions and pseudo-religious cults of personality.

Already did fagioli

Not at all, here in the UK the Labour party is openly socialist and politically correct, the Conservative party is politically correct and largely socialist, and any hint of nationalism or a nationalist party is thoroughly fringe.

What is the point of death camps?
I understand that concentration camps are useful because people can be forced to perform labour to help with the war effort but what is the point of transporting millions of people to far away camps in the middle of nowhere to kill them in extravagant manners while doing so so covertly that the Allies would have no idea of the atrocities until after the war?
What purpose did this serve? I am looking for genuine answers please

I think you might have kind of a loose definition of socialism.

Most socialists hate labour.

There literally were no death camps

>only Marxist definition of socialism is socialism

Back to /leftypol/

>..the Conservative party is largely socialist..
What the actual fuck? Are we living in the same country?

Nice bait thread.

Did it take place? Yes. Is everything about it true? Probably not.

It's too controversial in our time for anyone to actually investigate it.

Not killed in "extravagant" ways, killed with factory efficiency. The opposite of extravagant. Secrecy was for the benefit of the victims - easier to control of they don't know they're going to certain death. And they did get work out of those they could, first. As for what the "point" of it all was, will I guess you could say Nazi ideology was pretty hostile to Jews...

>Yes.
>The only argument to be made is how many people were killed and what number of the deaths due to internment were intentional or the result of famine or disease, which arguably is still the fault of the internment.

Agree with this, but the deep sensitivity to even these questions, as well as the "official narrative" and laws against Holocaust denial in some parts of the world, have predictably driven some people, especially those with anti-semitic inclinations or just prone to conspiracy theories, to question the entire event in various degrees.

It's like forbidden fruit, or a secret people feel is being kept from them if there are such strong reactions, potentially even criminal penalties, to questioning various aspects of the event.

Political correctness, mass immigration, welfare state to the extent it would be considered socialist in the US amongst other policies, diversity, women's rights, equality, etc.

They're basically Labour except they like rich people and privatizing things. With the occasional moralistic overreach into the society. Aside from that they're identical on the issues that really matter to a moderate nationalist.

Truth does not fear investigation.

I love the implication that Germans DIDN'T gun down rural Jews en masse

t. peter hitchens

HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT IS THAT HIGHLIGHTED QUOTE FROM YOUR PIC?

>non-stop roller coaster of Jews into a fire

DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE THEY HAD A 24 HOUR ROLLER COASTER TRAIN RIDE DUMPING JEWS INTO A FIRE?

No. That's part of the industry of jewish guiltmongering that surrounds the holocaust.

SeeOh and apparently there's something dumber then that, supposedly the nazis had a masturbation machine that was used to kill little jewish boys.

Not an argument.

What entails taking place?
I love how historians will say not to use fiction as a source of history, yet that is all the media seems to offer.
It is treated like an alms bowl and that just makes me suspect.

>largely socialist
>want to privatise

ok and stalin wasnt a commie because he banned abortion

>Mao or Stalin
>Socialist

They were Communists, not exactly the same. Also, the same kind of idiots who would compare every nationalist to Hitler exist on the right too. Do you know how many times was Obama compared to Mao, Lenin or Stalin? And I didn't even mentioned Bernie Sanders...

>Hitler orders his people to make Europe judenfrei because that was always his dream
>they sit down at Wansee to decide what's the most efficient way to achive that
>they eventually conclude that killing all Jews would work the best instead of shit like the Madagascar plan
>ok, let's look at the costs... holy shit, this will be expensive and we still have a war to win
>I have an idea, at first, put them in camps force them to work for the military industry as slaves
>we can also cut the costs a bit on food and safety regulations, we don't want to keep them for long anyways
>keep only those that are useful for the military industry, those who can't work can already go to the ovens.
>we'll kill the rest of the jews after we won the war.

Regarding number 4, the Germans did execute Jews on the spot. Ever heard of the mobile execution units that trailed behind the army as they pushed east? Can't comment on the rest.

Yes, but there's clearly something the German government is hiding about it. Why else would they come down so harshly on any questioning of the narrative?

Actually it is. It doesn't prove its false, but its enough to warrant suspicion.

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You have a whole board for this bullshit.

And you think you'll get fair and honest discussion there?

Some questions are stupid and shouldn't be asked.

There is no fair and honest discussion of this topic, either you're right or you're a Nazi.

I don't think Nazi is a synonym of being wrong. As wrong as they may have been.

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