I'm seeing way too many "Is (Hot Hatch) good?" threads? Does anyone have any experience with them?" threads pop us these days, and the Fiesta ST, and FWD vs RWD shitposting are taking Veeky Forums by storm at the minute, so I think it's time we gave our beloved econobox pocket rockets their own little thread. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost.
A thread for our beloved econobox pocket rockets. Talk experiences, ask for advice and questions and generally shitpost about the Fiesta ST.
>"I finally need another one, mine is dead" Edition Which modern hot hatch would you buy?
Previous Thread: Ages ago
>What is a "Hot Hatch"? A Hot Hatch is a manufacturer produced, performance oriented variant of a standard hatchback, designed for improved handling, increased top speed, acceleration and generally enhance the driving experience.
>Are all Hot Hatches FWD? No. Whilst most Hot Hatches are FWD, some are AWD or even RWD.
>Isn't FWD shit? No. Just because you can't get the arse out by stamping on the accelerator doesn't mean you can't have fun.
>Aren't Hot Hatches just for Europoors? No; with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST in the US, it seems like the Hot Hatch is beginning to take of on the other side of the Atlantic, but Europoors definitely have more choice.
>Is the Fiesta ST actually good? The Fiesta ST is one of the best small hot hatches on offer at the minute; so yeah they're pretty good.
Brayden Bennett
Ayy, who else /God Machine/?
Ryder Thomas
le god hatch
Brayden Nelson
Damn rights
Carson Johnson
how does it feel to be able to make a u turn on most streets without reversing
Nicholas Walker
>revvy, NA 1.6l engine >weighs just over 1000kg >136hp, 160nm >awesome 6-speed manual >cheap >not ANGRY like everything else these days Why is the Swift Sport so based?
Caleb Smith
I assume is pretty nice
Last time I was able to do that was in a honda prelude with 4ws
Charles Ross
i guess the fiesta turning radius is only slightly better then
>fiesta st: 17.75 >focus st: 18.7
Camden Torres
My Clio RS is probably very dead. Still waiting for the police to pass it to my insurer to assess. Not sure what to look at replacing it with.
These are very tempting.
Driven this, was mad fun. Is also being considered, but worried about it lacking a little compared to the ex-Clio and the Fiesta etc.
Robert Bailey
Looks like an interesting project, track car?
Noah Evans
Fucking Renault, why did you not let this happen 3.5 V6 in a small MR hatch would be as hot as you can get
Jackson Jackson
nope just pulled the interior because of a flood. e30 had it much worse was fun driving around under 45 mph, a lot more to hear. anything over and the road noise was crazy
friend's is the black one. hes trading for a fiesta st soon probably
Brody Ross
You could snap up a €500 Twingo and drop it off at Lazareth for a while, and get a 3.5l veeate-powered MR Twingo back if you pay them enough cash.
Jack Jackson
That sucks!
Parker Reyes
>tfw no recaros
Julian Wright
Are the Recaro's not standard on US models?
Aiden Campbell
"hot hatches" are for cucks, the only people who buy them are either poorfags/authoritarian nanny state dwellers who can't afford a real sports car or faggots who think they actually are sports cars and mod them to look and sound like shit
Daniel Parker
The recaros sold me. I have 13 focus St in blue
Kayden Morales
nope it's extra pic related a dealer had a 'ford racing' SE fiesta.
how much do you slide around while getting hektik
Xavier Lopez
They're a $2k option here. My fiesta was the only ST they had on the lot and it didn't come with them but I bought it anyway
Not too bad actually
I like those ford racing wheels
Easton Morgan
>tfw I drive a skyactiv 2.0 and a speed3 passes me on the freeway
Joshua White
I drive a Speed3 and every single time that I pass someone in a standard 3 or 6 I feel bad about it and I wonder if any of them ever wish that they had my car but they probably don't even notice or know what my car is, or if they do they don't care and they probably hate me because life is pain and all things are pointless especially me buying another car to uselessly try and make me feel something other than hopelessness and disdain while cruising down the highway listening to Neutral Milk Hotel at 90 miles an hour of pure sad hothatch action devoid of passion because it is FWD and even I cringe about it and everyone in a standard Mazda3 or 6 again, probably doesn't care because they're on their way home to their wife and kids and I'm just wasting time and gas thinking about going home to play the Culling by myself and try to team with people but they just steal my stuff and kill me.
Aaron Rogers
I never see anyone with a focus St around town. I am all alone.
Carson Smith
What's the worst attempt at a hot hatch? Pic related?
Nicholas Sanchez
Not as alone as I am
Jonathan Torres
I see focus STs all the time here, hardly any fiestas
Grayson Myers
Does anyone have a Golf R on this board? I'm partial to it because muh dad is a vw mechanic.
Lucas Lewis
The S stands for special (ed)
Chase Gutierrez
fiesta st a good daily driver or should I go for a non st ford focus hatch for increased practicality?
Jeremiah Cruz
hey guys, if you look far back enough, there's a civic fag in the back.
Tyler Hernandez
5 weeks old and already 1800 miles
fun car
Jace Stewart
Houston bro?
I'm pulling the interior from my Civic for the same reasons.
Aaron Wilson
Fuck you, I have one of these and its fun.
Ryan Young
BRECON BOYZ
Jackson Hill
Why are there so many goddamn Hyundai Velosters for sale in my area?
Are they shit?
William Price
Non turbo is shit; I have a turbo and its pretty nice, the only concern I have is that the handling is kinda shit .
Chase Butler
Yes
Parker Brown
Suckadick
Christopher Flores
They're shit. Bad handling, >korean build quality, and they're not fast at all. Take every insult ever thrown at the GT86 for being slow and underpowered and multiply by 3 for the Veloster
also >one door on left two doors on right
Michael Peterson
STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT MY DD YOU KEKS
James Watson
Fuck Brecon, i'm only up there for the roads senpai
Cooper Hill
>he has to ask if hyundai is shit
wew lad
Angel Lee
1 more year till i finish my degree. still have to test drive the gti, and if honda does good with their si coupe, then that as well. as it stands, the fiesta st is at the top of my list.
Ryder Torres
Spotted the self conscious owner of a veloster
Jonathan Gutierrez
Don't forget about the focus RS m8
Owen Jackson
The dealer markup on those is crazy though
Jason Fisher
i'm honestly looking at around $20k, not 50. markup on the rs is insane
Wyatt Watson
the markup on the RS is retarded
you can get a cayman for that kind of money
Bentley Brooks
I forgot about dealers being faggots. They msrp for $35k on Ford site
Isaac Butler
yeah you'll have to wait a bit to get one for a realistic price
Samuel Carter
Yup, base model GT350's are selling for more than the msrp of a GT350R
Andrew Davis
even if i could get one OTD for 35k, i've been seeing pretty solid examples of the fiesta st going for under $18k OTD. The car payment on an 18k vs 35k car is a huge difference when you're fresh out of college.
Elijah Foster
depends on the area and how many are sitting on lots. I got mine for 21.5k with recaros which was well worth it as an upgrade
Chase Reed
Feels nice
Brandon Butler
sure, like i said in , i want to stay around 20, 21.5k would be fine. if there was some way to actually get an rs for 35k, i still couldn't afford the kind of car payment that goes with something that much.
i also have to see how i fit in the recaros. they were tight in the focus, but only tried cloth in the fiesta. i've heard they break in and really make the car - so i put up with a little tight as long as they become comfy after an initial break in period.
Lucas Cook
>with the launch of the Fiesta and Focus ST in the US
That moment when your car is forgotten.
Hudson Thomas
the fiesta recaros are a small bit tighter than the recaros in the focus but the base level seats are much worse than the base seats in the focus.
I've never had anyone that weighed more than 160 in my car so I can't say how they perform on larger people
Brody Bell
i'm 6'2" 195. if the recaros are too tight, i might just opt for the cloth.
Noah Reed
Focus St was my first car. Got it for 21k otd. Payed cash though. Good luck
Josiah Reed
At least the Focus ST are more common place. The 2013 ST had close to more produced than the SVT focus total.
>3,984 other 3 doors of my year >177 of them in the same color
Odds are I'll never even see another SVT, let alone one who shares the same color.
Matthew Lopez
I want to buy one
Nolan Roberts
I don't know if it's going to Europe, but the Sandero R.S is pretty good.
Brandon Russell
Would eat the Clio's sales so probably not. Dacia is purely the barebones, utilitarian brand over here (and the Sandero is a Dacia over here, too).
Ian Brown
I'm 6'2" and 210, they fit me great.
Adam Cook
You'll be fine in the recaros my friend is your height but 250. He liked the seat. PS they're supposed to be snug but not painful
William Martinez
should the first thing i do when i get a fist is get an aftermarket rear motor mount?
Austin Walker
I know it's a long shot considering this is Veeky Forums but does anyone here have a 2016 Golf R?
Considering it is one of the few models that are left hand drive to be built in Germany, how has maintenance been? Cost?
Is the cabin as quiet as people say it is?
Aaron Walker
There are two anons with R's that have posted previously, so hopefully they drop in.
Yes.
Colton Williams
yeah man
you coming to the meet ?
Juan Morgan
I'm not much of an Veeky Forums frequenter, and my car is certainly not meet-worthy.
Been browsing craigslist for months trying to find something I really want, because I want a good excuse to dump my Civic.
I'm almost afraid to buy 3rd party at this point due to all the flooding.
Joshua Smith
CRX master race checking in
Daniel Cooper
would love to get a crx, but most are either modded to shit by mexicans, stolen by mexicans, or hilariously overpriced
Isaiah Williams
God machine reporting in
Carson Morris
I got pretty lucky, also I didn't really mind run down ones as long as they were stock. I've got an Si (That's staying stock) and a carby that I want to throw a D16a1 in for track use. Paid less than $2k for both combined, just gotta get lucky and respond fast to the ads
Nicholas Adams
They are enjoyable to drive, and pretty comfy.
Hudson Young
Question Veeky Forums. What do you guys think of making a hot hatch out of something never intended or ever offered as one? Like say a GM LSJ swapped Chevy Aveo?
James Flores
had enough dealings with craigslist mexicans here in so-cal to last a lifetime. i can live without a crx.
Luke Reed
Trust me, it's not much better in the SF Bay. If you don't mind a drive check the inland empire for stuff.
Lucas Nguyen
I rode in a three different first gen focus and they all shook like hell
Colton Edwards
or an L34 swapped Aveo. The L34 is the 2.0L found in the Suzuki Forenza and Reno. The engine is a direct drop in to the Aveo only changing the engine and ECU (otherwise it will run lean. It'll run on the 1.6L ECU, but not perfectly). And then since it's basically an Opel 2.0L, you can turbocharge them cheaply using German OPC parts.
Charles Smith
Also I like FiST circle jerkers never mention how shitty the build quality is on their cars
Hunter Wright
i live in the inland empire, private seller used car market here is awful. it's as if people here don't want to actually sell their cars.
i've had people say that they won't give out the VIN of their car. like wtf? why would i waste my time driving out to your place to look at your shitbox that turns out to be a salvage title and has been in 3 accidents.
people will sometimes not even list the mileage on their car. or they will, but will then lie about it. once you pull the record, you fucking know the cars suspicious.
and so on and so on.
Colton Stewart
My build quality isn't awful, actually better than I expected considering the Fiesta is the most base econoshitbox in Ford's line up. What are you expecting buying a Fiesta? The ST has a ton of pros, and most of it's cons chalk up to 'it's still a Fiesta'.
Michael Brown
it's a fucking cheap ford vehicle. most owners should have no illusion about what they're getting.
Aiden Jones
I'm thinking of getting a hot hatch as a first car.
Fiesta ST, Focus ST, 2-Door Golf GTI, Fiat 500 Abarth, or try to find a C30 T5?
Dylan Perez
you need to test drive them all. very subjective feels about all of them.
Michael Hall
>shook like hell Odd mine really doesn't, also has the rear poly mount.
Chase Phillips
...
Levi Russell
I've had one with DSG for about 2 months now, can't really comment on the maintenance since I haven't even had the first oil change done yet...fun ride though
Jack Butler
I test drove two and my input is GTI>Fiesta. Just overall quality and spaceship feel
Kayden Diaz
no user first car should be a cheap shitbox
John Campbell
Had a glorious 08 gti, was written off and decided to get something cheaper and put the 6k difference to a house deposit, so now with a 12 focus s.
Nathaniel Hill
>Recaros I've actually been hunting down a set for my Focus. I may have found one at a junk yard that recently picked up an SVT. I'm waiting on word back if they are.
Isaiah Fisher
post pics of based focus instead of that nazimobile
Daniel Sanders
I went to a new meet location last night, saw this out there.
Henry Richardson
I know nothing about this car though.
Cooper Jones
Why? I already drive a 10 year old camry with 300k miles on it.
Fair enough, I guess it'll come down to how I feel in it.
Luis Morales
I don't think I actually have pics of it yet even though I've had it about a month. Also to be clear, this is the Aus model S which Americans call the SEL. The car is actually a trend (a SE in USA) but the only difference apart from the stereo is sport suspension, and since I put in the springs and front shocks from a focus ST, I am calling it an S
That's very nice but mine was never worked that much, only a revo tune.
Aiden Lopez
I went to Wales for the roads once.
I woke up a few weeks later in hospital. I've been told I might never remember the accident.
Isaiah Hernandez
Is the Honda Fit RS with the 1.4 engine considered at least a warm hatch?