WHY ARE THESE SHIT

Cant wait until Dolan Trump deports all you pistoncucks and makes you pay for a wall around yourselves

>100k miles vs forever

I didn't know this picture was referencing the meme with the Asian guy feeding a chimp watermelon until like 2 weeks ago, I've been looking at that photo for years not knowing why people post it

APEX SEALS

>There should have been a way to replace apex seals with out disassembling or removing the motor.

How would that even work.

need a fair amount more work to keep running than a normal car.

its less of an ethusasists car, and more of an, "i want something thats more difficult than my wife"

How is replacing apexis or rebuilding every 80-100k difficult

If I had my own garage and lived somewhere where 10mpg wouldn't bankrupt me, I'd definitely have a rotary

From people who can't figure out a manual tranny how could you expect engine maintainance.

206-cu in GMRCE is now mandatory

...

It's a shame this didn't become a thing. I'd love to own a chevette with a dorito.

They burn oil by design and are shit for low-end torque.

>Pros
Mechanically very simple.
Very high rev ceiling.
Unit is physically small.
Good horsepower for its displacement.

>Cons
They are thirsty.
They burn oil.
Comparatively little low-end torque.
Apex seals wear out and are expensive to replace.

Wait.. holy shit

If people here actually researched and worked on rotaries they'd figure out how piss easy they are to service. Anybody with the Mazda engine service guide and half a brain could take one down in less than a day.

Mechanically one of the simplest engine designs, it's literally a fucking sandwich of 3 side plates and 2 rotor housings with only 3 main moving parts. Everything else is piss easy to repair/replace on a whim.

Why is it only people who have never owned or driven a rotary powered car that start the rotary shitposting threads?

Same reason why people who have never owned or driven X make or model of car start shitposting threads.

Because Americans don't like driving over 2000rpm...

Stomp it on, let it spin up, and it drives fine. Just don't be afraid to use the top half of the tachometer.

It makes for a car that loves being driven hard.

You need to slam it down three gears to make an overtake - so fucking what? It screams up to 9000rpm, breaking through the redline like it just wants to go harder than physics will ever allow. Then bangs out blue flame and black smoke with each high-rpm gearshift.

That's the fun of one of these.

If you want foot-down torque, get a TDI.

I learned to drive in a 90bhp turbodiesel. They bore the hole off me.

The Mazda was the last of the true naturally aspirated heroes, the last gasp of the screamers.

Sure it's flawed. But it's also fun. And you can damn well fix what's wrong with it. It's one of the last cars you can make a big difference to, with just with some care and some tools and a Saturday in the driveway.

Now that it's gone, it's all just turbocharged appliances, artificial engine noise and manufactured fun from now on.

Mores the pity.

Haaaaarrrrr

>being this fucking new

>Stomp it on, let it spin up, and blow an apex seal
fixed*

still, rebuilding an engine as regular maintenance is a bit silly - even if it is a comparatively simple engine to service.

I really wish rotary engines were more practical. such a cool idea on paper.

It's as much a "rebuild" as swapping out the piston on a single cylinder 2smoke scooter. Yes, it seems like heart surgery. But only to the layman.

low-end torque is for shit drivers and towing
plenty of piston engines burn more oil by design, but i guess it is a small drawback

For which rotary engine is a rebuild actually considered regular maintenance according to mazda?

The renesis would be the closest but it had design flaws that were corrected in the second gen.

> i don't understand anything about rotaries and how apex seals fail

>scooter analogy

Is this the new meme?

If you didn't learn wrenching on a small 2smoke then all your mistakes were expensive ones.

Except rebuilds aren't even close to being on any regular maintenance schedule. You're parroting a meme that's been taken way out of context.

Rotary engines only burnout early because retarded owners let them wear down to the point where a rebuild is necessary.

They have certainly have flaws, but most can be mitigated or solved entirely with proper upgrades and care.

I only mean an engine rebuild in the sense that you have to take apart your engine and put it back together. (to change the seals)

Full disclosure - I'm an entirely amateur mechanic. Sorry if I'm using this term incorrectly.

The turbo rotaries don't even really suffer from a lack of low-end torque. It's a meme thats gotten out of control

While we're here debunking rotary myths, is flooding the engine really so bad? I've heard you need to take it apart if you flood it. Does it cost a lot to do this?

just adopt a cat, it will make you just as happy.

you certainly dont need to take it apart if you flood it. you can either wait and let the fuel evaporate, or pull the lower plugs and crank it a few times if youre in a hurry

i've never flooded my FD and i've shut it off after only a couple minutes of running countless times

I'm sure it happens, but its harder than you would think

i think that was actually only an issue with the s4/5 models but gradually got parroted to be about all rotaries

I think it gets easier as you start doing big ports, but I'm not 100%

What porting have you done to yours? I'm tempted to bridgeport when I start my project with single turbo

Well that's one worry about rotaries gone. I'm glad I won't have to worry that much about flooding the engine.

none, its a daily driver and I'm happy with the 280whp its at

>daily driving an FD
absolute madman

wait wtf you're right

Renesis tend not to pop an apex seal. It's normally a lean-spike in a REW that kills them. Renesis engines die through bad ignition killing the catalyst, which cooks the side-seal springs. Same effect but different cause. Once you upgrade the ignition, they're fine.

Was speaking of the renesis really. But it's not a lack of torque in as much as it's a lack of a torque surge.... there's no sudden kick in the arse as the engine comes on cam, or the turbo spools up. It just sort of makes some torque everywhere, and uses pRM to make power. The renesis has a very flat torque curve for a naturally aspirated engine.

APEX SEALS
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And yet they make most of their torque very early
> burn oil be design
Still significantly less than any modern European car or Hondas

WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

bump for doritos

My only car related dream is to be able to own a rotary one day

Maybe an 12A FB because its probably the most simple and cheapest option in the long run

Or a turbo FC II, but I will never be able to get one, and the one that was going for like 700 euros with a good body, but wonky engine had no place for me to store it

An FD? As an eurocuck probably never

see >There are only 3 kinds of people when it comes to rotaries:
1. Those who have owned a rotary, fucked it up because of the lack of knowledge and experience to take care of it, mixed with the ignorance of blaming the car rather than the driver, thus coming to an incorrectly biased opinion that rotaries are bad.
2. Those who have never owned a rotary, jumped on the bandwagon of the ignorantly biased who did own one and messed it up from their own lack of competence, but agree with them anyways because they simply don't know any better, or drive a piston engine and are insulted there is an engine out there that could have advantages over their own.
3. And then there are those who have owned a rotary and had both the knowledge and experience to maintain the vehicle properly. These people understand the advantages and requirements of owning a rotary. They perform all required maintenance and don't fall for any misconceived notions about their vehicle. These people tend to have more money and marginally more attractive girlfriends, as women (for some reasons unknown to science) are more attracted by the unique sound and performance of a rotary engine. This, of course, enhances the butt hurt experienced from the first two types of people, thus furthering the social enigma of rotary bashing.

PISTON RINGS

why on earth do you type like that? literally the most autistic thing i've ever read
and also "Because Americans don't like driving over 2000rpm... "
huh? i dont understand the trend in generalizing americans into something so niche and oddball
most definitely my jimmies have been rustled

wow you might be right

I just thought it was the laughingsluts.jpg

When I first flooded my FC, I was pretty panicked since I hadn't really done much work on cars before. But after some googling, I was able to get it resolved with the ATF trick, which involves pulling the spark plugs. It likes to flood a bit on cold days, but all that takes is some extra cranking.