Buy a miata because Veeky Forums told me to

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>falling for the miata cuckold

>giving a shit about lap times

Master the Miata

Then buy a used M3/Corvette and master the competition. Or strap the biggest turbo you reasonably can.

Besides if you cant get any pointbys in a Miata on a tight course you probably suck at driving or everyone else has modern $50k+ sports cars while you're in a shitbox on all seasons and stock suspension

My 5th Gen SH felt very solid when it was on coil overs and with a few other suspension mods. The ATTS is by far the only way a Prelude can compete in the track.

>grounded to the ground
Stopped reading there

As somebody who actually owns one, lol no. Stock, it is the most terrifying cornering experience you'll ever have. It doesn't stop. The rear end wanders around underneath you and you can feel it. The steering ratio feels like garbage because of the lack of ackerman. Theyre fun, but they're not corner carvers.

> Implying I don't own one
> Implying I didn't say $500 and a weekend
> Implying there's any need to pass a Miata in a corner

The great thing about Miatas are they're fun to drive no matter what you're doing. When you're driving a car near its limits almost every sports car is more fun, but the Miata feels pretty fun even when you're just putting around.

500 dollars doesnt fix our awful brakes, horrid suspension geometry, and weak unibody.

It'll buy subframe connectors and a panhard bar if that's what you put at the highest priority, although I meant a cam and Explorer heads. Throw another $300 at doing a rear disc swap if you really can't stop but I don't think the drums are all that bad myself.

Rear disks alone don't fix our stopping power.

>all that work
>still get beat by stock GM F-bodies at the autocross

>he thinks it was just lap times

They really aren't though. If you are really pushing it they are darty and unpredictable. It's an 8/10ths car.

Not my experience with them, unless they're old and beat up. Maybe take a look at your suspension. get an alightment, etc.

>if your miata isn't godlike then you're just doing it wrong

I've driven 20 different cars. I had a 4 year old NB with 60k miles and fresh suspension. Honestly you probably haven't driven anything good so you don't realize how limited a Miata is. People have been talking about 'cowl shake' and the floppy chassis on miata.net for over a decade.

And yes I have driven a mazdaspeed with extra bracing (FM butterfly) it was noticeably better but still had the same tendencies.

Ultimately they are a beginner car to get your feet wet and learn some technique in something slow. When you really try to extract those last couple 10ths the car falls on it's face because SURPRISE it didn't originally cost enough to be refined where few people drive.

Built miatas are worth it. Id stick with it for now.

Itll never be as comfortable as most other cars. But once boosted id be surprised if you care

Maybe if it's a 350 and the guy in the fox doesn't know how to downshift right

I think he'll care when the car becomes twice as difficult to drive and only drops a couple seconds on lap times.

>Master the Miata
>Then buy a used M3/Corvette and master the competition.
Actual good advice.

You say difficult, I say fun.

To each his own of course. But im just saying if he likes the car now I can't see why he'd suddenly hate it with a bit more power.

If you aren't very good at driving you will think an imprecise car is 'fun' or 'entertaining'. This is because you are not good enough to keep a car balanced on the limit. So you stay away from the limit and keep the car where it is 'settled'. Of course this is boring so you add more force (power, brakes, sticky tires) until you feel stimulated enough to be entertained.

Get a load of this smug faggot, chasing rainbows

I was where you are now 10 years ago. I am calling your capabilities right where they are, am I not?

sell the miat and get a crx.

>turboing a miata without chassis stiffening, suspension work, brake work, and good tires

ISHYGDDT

what track was this?

OP's fantasyland or perhaps an oval.

You're implying that there is such a thing as a perfectly balanced car at all, let alone that there is some kind of continuum of perfectly balanced cars for everyone to go from one to another as their entire skillset improves and that this is also a weekend/track day tier car to boot. Go ahead and tell us what magic car you drive that always has exactly the right amount of grip stability and power for every hypothetical situation "at its limit"

>people this upset that drivetrains aren't as important as they think they are

still waiting for OP to name which track

You do not understand at all.

Tires work best when they are slipping just a little bit. In the beginning when you are learning you paint that threshold with a very broad brush, all you know that it is somewhere between gripping and full on drifting... a weird place where the rear is gripping but feels like it is floating. As you get better that threshold becomes narrower and narrower until you can feel the difference between a degree or two of slip, you can feel that tiny little zone where the tires are producing their maximum lateral grip.

There is no such thing as a perfectly balanced car, there is weight shifting and variable forward/backward load being placed on the tires by acceleration and braking. What a very good car does do is enable you to consistently stay in that sweet spot by manipulating your inputs and it always produces consistent responses (or fails benignly) road surface permitting.

Before you get into this you first have to learn (in the gross sense) how to work with and exploit the platform (front engine, RWD). And the miata is great for that, it is cheap and responsive and it offers lots of feedback. Once you have your tool box defined and you start building the nuance to your technique, a miata is just not a suitable platform. It is too unprecise and too unpredictable at the limit.

Currently I drive an E36 M3. I bought it because I like the way that the rear suspension geometry strokes. It is also a very forgiving car which is bad for a novice, but once you know the dos and don'ts (from a car like a miata or BRZ) the forgivingness gives you a safety margin to play around with how rapidly you can develop the desired slip angle on corner entry. If you overdo it the car wont just say fuck you, instead you will make it around the corner it will just be slow. I'll probably be moving onto a Porsche 986 next, getting the front end settled and pointed in just right is the next thing I want to learn to do really well.

RWD objective best

There was a comparison in 1997 that included both the Prelude and Miata. The Prelude outhandled the Miata and won the entire comparison.

They handle really well, but get ignored on Veeky Forums sometimes because "lol FWD"

I've been in a few preludes they aren't bad

I wouldn't buy one. I'd rather have a CRX or a civic hatchback if i were getting another honda.

The whole reason you get the "lol fwd" meme is you can't really do "teh hectic skids" in them without torque steering into a tree.

For a cheap fun car fwd work just fine just don't try to put tons power into them unless you want to drag it

The whole reason the miata gets the recs from people here past the memeing is the 50/50 weight distribution throw on some power mods and do the hectic skids

stock miata's handle like shit because their target audience are old people

you upgrade the suspension on a prelude and nothing much changes, on a miata though...

50:50 is just crap people parrot because they have no idea what they are talking about. Most open formula competition cars are rear biased, not 50:50

>you upgrade the suspension on a prelude and nothing much changes, on a miata though...
It becomes bumpy and darty. Nothing much changes.

The chassis is floppy and crap. The End.

they don't handle like shit stock. they just don't really have a ton of grip and they tend to have a lot of body roll, but they have predictable and pretty neutral handling.

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>nothing much changes
this mother fucker...
Veeky Forums is all children

effu effu can't handle real power

>itt people who haven't driven a properly set up miata

yeah, no amount of suspension swapping is going to get rid of that shit weight

>prelude is literally 700-800lbs heavier than a miata despite it being fwd

KEK

why do you think all the big japanese tuners prefer the civic?

uhh we were discussing stock miata performance. I drive a well set up miata imo I know how they are

MIDF please.

This is why the lightest cars hold all the track records.... oh wait

This is why miatas hold all the track records.....oh wait

track records just require shittons of aero

This is why the lightest cars hold all the track records.... oh wait

yes you fucking retard

nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

>nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/
>Fastest street legal car is a 918 @ 3600lbs
rekt.

those Radicals are street legal too m8

Maybe in your backwater country, but not in the developed world. Not something you could ever consider for daily use anyway, and Radicals have nothing to do with Miatas. One is a purpose built car for racing, the other is a basic RWD built for boomers.

their newer model is street legal in the states, it's gonna be going to the burger ring soon apparently

carbuzz.com/news/2014/1/25/Radical-RXC-Now-Street-Legal-in-the-US-7718243/

> discs on the rear to increase stopping power

user you have no idea what you're talking about. just stop

the radicals are lighter and faster.
street legality isn't what you were talking about, stop moving the goalposts you fucking shit for brains

Really wish I could give a fuckheuge list of mods on my NB, but

Harddog roll bar
Racingbeat sways front and back
poly bushings everywhere
Tokico shocks
Racingbeat springs
Delhrin bushings
Complete underbody stiffener bars

I literally have everything but Frog arms and tower braces. Car feels VERY planted compared to stock. I am not saying that these modifications make me go around corners quicker... I believe they do, but this is based on the fact that the car communicates better than the stock chassis does.

If I had a dry spaghetti noodle and wiggled it around, it would wiggle more than a dry lasagna noodle, yes?

>floppy chassis roadster

Whats there to expect? The Prelude outhandles a E36 stock.

Gt3 cats are faster than the radical and weigh much more
Moll yourself

>The Prelude outhandles a E36 stock.

it outhandles a 318ti... so not as impressive as you think

The compact is actually a better car for conefaging than the sedan.

e36 m3 was rated a better handler than the NSX, Viper, 911, Corvette, Supra by Car and Driver.

318ti isn't significant
miata gimped from factory but has far more potential than prelude

>potential
OH BOOOOOY

The secret here is that the Prelude is actually a really good car.

it's pretty good for a sporty econobox. like a celica gt-s

>M3

Who said anything about an M3?

>tfw you need semislicks and springs to just keep up with a mostly stock BRZ S through the corners
>tfw everyone else disappears on the straights
>tfw no driver aids means you die if you get it wrong
>tfw your car pops a hose and overheats on the drive back
It's fucking impressive when you consider that I paid next to nothing for it though.

It's pretty obvious I was speaking euphamistically, fucking pedant. There isn't really such a thing as inadequate "stopping power" beyond the 60s other than a few choice 70s cars. I'm looking at you, Toronado.

>tfw you found an old shitbox rally car that cost nothing because nobody knows about it
>tfw it easily destroys mostly stock BRZs with all season tires
>tfw BRZ drivers lose their minds that they can't ditch a shitbox
>tfw it is so inherently stable and controllable you don't miss driver aids

feels good evaluating things for yourself and not buying into memes

Your car is probably just worn out. Replace your wear parts (ball joints, buhsings, etc) before assuming that it's just the nature of the car. New wear parts make just about any old car feel like a totally different machine.

what shitbox?

FF is counter intuitive and by in large unresponsive to direct input

New bushings, tires and coilovers will make your miats handle 1000 times better

Nah preludes are pretty mediocre. Integras are better, a decent Miata should drive better than a prelude. OP's miata is probably tired and beat to shit.

>reading comprehension
Care to read the OP again you nigger?

volvo

Nothing the OP said contradicts what I said, cuck

it feels like all the miata drivers in this town got theirs out of the garage in the last week or two

SO MANY miatas

>miata thread
>assumes I'm talking about a volvo
>there are no volvos in my picture
>I own a miata
>that is my miata
>I was talking about my miata
Please stop breathing from your mouth.

just buy any mustang dumbass... the older ones are cheap af, even for a v8 (i own a 97 gt so i'd know) and they're way more fun

also i can definitely take out a bigger crowd of people than a miata ever could.

ALSO dat sound

>stock miata
>track day bro

M3s aren't that much more expensive. ($7000-12000).

318Tis are pretty much E30 318is with a newer body and 100-200lbs. They're good, newer alternatives to E30s. Swap everything from the M3 into one if you want to have a fun car, a M3 swapped Ti is pretty much a Z3M Coupe on a budget.

The problem with Preludes is that they're fucking FAT and anything you can do to them a smaller Civic/Integra can do better. You can literally swap everything over from a Prelude onto a better Civic/Integra and go faster, and weight differences are magnified more when you're dealing with FWD

Which also reminds me on that note built Hondas are also terrible at putting anything over 200whp down on a tight circuit, and they're ultimately not that fun (I'd get the BMW if I wanted to have fun, the Honda if I wanted to go fast) just because you can't power out using the throttle and if you put a big engine in them its wasted because it won't have enough traction to turn out of a corner and accelerate hard.

Its why I ditched my built Honda for a E36 M3. A built Honda will also have to make a ton of compromises in streetability to perform well. Stiff springs, loud boomy exhaust, stiff motor mounts, etc.

To be fair, the E36 M3s are probably one of the FEW cars that are so forgiving as a FR. Only the RX-8, FRS/BRZ, and 944 really compares, maybe a older E30/Ti if you redo the suspension on it (they're only snappy from old control arm bushings making the camber/toe funky under limit).

I actually felt my Miata was pretty controllable for a beat to shit stock car at the limit. It never "snapped' at me further than I could take it, and I could always bring it back mid corner (worst case I'd do a big smokey slide). And it was on beat to shit original suspension and Sumitomo HTRZ all seasons. The problem with that IMO is that like the Honda you tend to give up a lot of the streetability/predictability to go fast. I'd still watch out for one that's properly set up though.

I can't believe people are still responding to this, this is blatantly obvious bait.

>Tfw you see your friends' Miatas get posted
wew what a feel

Wew

it went from miatas suck lol to a debate about how good or bad are miatas when properly set up relative to other cars

it improved

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