Hi Veeky Forums, I need some help...

Seat Ibiza Mk2 with the 1.8t or the 2.0 MPI

Golf 1.9 TDI

Punto HGT

Damn, is it even possible to find the engine anywhere? I've just looked and can't find it.

Sounds good. Might as well pick an Audi or Golf with the same engine, right?

>TDI
You sure this is a good idea for rallying? Or racing?

This one looks good. Do you think I could just swap the HGT's engine into a lighter Seicento?

>Damn, is it even possible to find the engine anywhere? I've just looked and can't find it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Cléon-Fonte_engine#CxJ

>Might as well pick an Audi or Golf with the same engine, right?

The Audi and Golfs are heavier.

>You sure this is a good idea for rallying? Or racing?
I was memeing you, Volkswagen's 1.9 TDI are super tough and reliable engines but they're far from sportiness. Golf 3 might be a good idea because they're not as heavy as 4, Opel Astra is good too.
Which country may I ask?

>Do you think I could just swap the HGT's engine into a lighter Seicento?

Don't know and would also be kind of insane. The Punto is very light and the HGT makes 130 HP. You have to be damn sure that you can handle this.

The Ibiza is a Polo, with the engine out of a Golf. It's neat.

I meant to buy it. The car itself costs a lot. Finding an engine alone might be a problem.

Well I didn't think about this.

Poland. Plenty of Golfs around here so it would probably be the easiest to find one. Especially the TDI.

Well I know people swap Punto engines to Seicento effortlessly so that might work.

Now that you mentioned it... Wouldn't the 1.6 16v Polo work for rallying?

>it would probably be the easiest to find one. Especially the TDI.
Consider getting a Golf 3, they're cheap and for a starter like you would be enough. Just don't get a diesel, they're really slow.

The Bedford Rascal would make an ideal starter rally car.

A Polo might also be a good choice, you could always swap it later if regulations allow for it.

>Wouldn't the 1.6 16v Polo work for rallying?

Sure it would but the 6N gti was limited to 3000 and is really hard to find

the facelift wasn't limited anymore but I'm not sure if you can find one

go on rally cars for sale and find something within budget
you might find one on ebay too

Try Subaru Justy, basically an AWD Suzuki Swift available for under 4k PLN. The downside is that it only comes with an 1.3L carbureted engine that makes around 80HP but I think you can bolt up the 1.6l from Swift GTI

that's probably the best idea for beginners.

Those are already pre-modded and probably work for some certain events. I'm more interested in starting cheap and slow, so I don't kill myself but also won't have to spend too much if I decide that it's not for me.

Second gen Subaru Justy. It's just like a Suzuki Swift / Geo Metro, but with AWD. The engine is a 1.3L Suzuki engine, but different more powerful engines from the same family from the Swift and other Suzukis will drop right in, and it's a very light car.

you don't really need a 4wd system in such underpowered cars, fwd is enough and you're not dagumi, don't give the user this rwd/awd shit.

thanks for stealing my post faggot
Another thing that comes to mind is MK3/4 Ford Fiesta with top of the line engine (1.8L for MK3, 1.6L tarbo for MK4), they're rare but still go under 5/6k PLN.

What kind of anual budget do you have?

pre modded works out cheaper
stop being an idiot m8

>thanks for stealing my post faggot
I wouldn't have made the post if I had read the entire thread beforehand and found yours. I've simply overlooked it.

The Justy actually sound really interesting. Never thought such cheap cars could come with AWD.

So... Technically I could just skip the Justy and get a Suzuki Swift with a better engine.

Doesn't look like it, as far as I'm seeing right now. I mean I guess in the long run, it would work out cheaper, but I want to start at the beginning.

I've been thinking of the Fiesta. A friend of mine used to have one and he was killing it over some village fields. The car did pretty fine actually. Some small shit engine though.

Even as a FWD car (aka Suzuki Swift) it would be a decent suggestion because of its low weight and low price (few hundred Euros starting). The AWD in the Justy is just icing on the cake.

>So... Technically I could just skip the Justy and get a Suzuki Swift with a better engine.
yeah. don't know what type of 4wd those things have but i'm sure you don't want to rwd kick in in such a tiny car and lose control. fwd is perfectly fine.

How is Swift's potential modability, if I decided to do it later?

vts m8

I don't know. Only thing I'd be afraid of with this car is how weak it looks. I mean I hope the wheels don't come apart under some stress from rallying, do they?

sorry, i confused it with the Octavia vRS.

>I mean I hope the wheels don't come apart under some stress from rallying, do they?
tighten and secure everything, skid plate is always a MUST on a rally car.

How about a Fiesta with a bodykit, better handling and a bigger engine?

A little too expensive. And I haven't heard good things about this car.

fite me
Getting your hands on Swift GTI might be a little difficult since they're pretty rare and most of them are already modded for rallying.
These cars are very popular amongst amatuer rally drivers in Poland and as far as I know, there are a lot of forums with tutorials on how to mod it. I don't know about parts availability though.
>you don't want to rwd kick in in such a tiny car and lose control
Nigga you're not gonna lose control of a 100HP car, it's not like a v8 where you get so much power that you spin out immediately. Plus its not RWD, its AWD.

> FOR FUCKS SAKE OP ANSWER THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION

The cheap relatively old Germans are all going to be heavy as shit.
6n Polo and others on the same chassis would likely suck.

I'd double up on the Citroen Saxo or perhaps even an AX. They're both light as hell, perfect to throw around.
Peugeot 105 or 106 also feel like obvious choices.

Other than that, a Fiesta or an Escort might be nice too.

Sort of related. I have a geo metro (suzuki swift g10 engine, 3 cyl 1 liter) and was wondering what a good turbo to pair with it would be. Any ideas?

>Nigga you're not gonna lose control of a 100HP car, it's not like a v8 where you get so much power that you spin out immediately. Plus its not RWD, its AWD.
awd only adds to weight on an already tiny car, lots of fwd shitboxes handle perfectly fine

>VAG a shit meme

fuck off m8

I drive a 6n Polo.
It's hardly something you'd want to rally with.

Go French.

I wouldn't discount them straight away though, as they're common, cheap and have a large aftermarket. They're fairly popular in the rallying scene, so evidently they can be made to work.

don't turbo it, its not worth it
Subaru Justy weights under 2k lbs, thats hardly a heavy car

>go french

try getting a cheap 205, 106 or saxo that isn't a 80hp shitbox.

Is it even possible to find anything that's not an 80hp shitbox these days?

Are all people who begin to rally such richfags?

by the sounds of it it doesn't matter so stop overthinking it
just get a ford focus or fiesta or something

First gen Focus is a pretty good suggestion.

>Are all people who begin to rally such richfags?

probably. Just start autocrossing a shitty miata or e36 or something.

I'd probably have to get the SVT one.

That's what I was thinking about too. I need a decent car for it though. Not too expensive. Just something I can buy and race with in my free time.

Seeing as how >yurop, it's called the ST170 and not the SVT.

True. But again, it costs more than my Celica, so definitely not getting one to use as a beater.

Honestly, you could probably get away with a regular petrol model. For a starter, you don't need an ST.

The Pontiac firefly (Subaru swift in Canada) came with a turbo, so i was thinking of picking one of those up for cheap. Like $160 cheap.

just get a basic 1.6 (or whatever the class dictates) focus if you're poor.
sounds like you're deliberately making it hard so you don't do it

I mean, if you have the skills to install it yourself then go for it but I guess you don't so just don't bother.

Nah user, I'm frugal by nature so I'm trying to make the best out of the buck I have for the car. I haven't really thought of any particular rally direction yet, but I just want to get a cheap beater to sorta train myself in rallying and stuff. Cheap enough so that I won't feel bad if anything breaks but also won't have to spend god knows how much to repair it.

Twingo sounds like your thing, then. Dirt cheap to buy, dirt cheap to run, dirt cheap to fix.

>I'm poor, stupid and don't know what I'm doing but thought making a thread on Veeky Forums might make me feel better about things

wow user you sure are pretty angry

I guess that's how every hobby begins, doesn't it? Where you're making research before spending money, and actually don't spend a lot until you get hooked on it?

I'm probably either gonna go with Twingo, or the Justy. Or Ibiza 1.8t if I find one cheap. Or the Punto HGT. At least that's what I got so far from this thread.

and complete shit for rallying unless you drop a few grand into them.

OP srsly start looking for Autoslalom/cross events in your area and get a cheap rwd shitbox

>cheap rwd shitbox
I don't know of any beside BMWs or Sierra. All of which are either in horrible condition or expensive. FWD is probably the only way for me. At least for now.

But yeah, I'm looking at the autoslaloms/cross around. I think they're called KJS where I live.

Planning on ricing it to shit anyways. Ill leave it a a future project then.

I have actually seen a mk4 golf with a 1.9tdi used in rallying. Pretty rare, but possible. It mainly depends on local rules and classes. Mk4 Golf tdi would also have the benefit of awd in some cases if the rules allow using them.

youtube.com/watch?v=yTJ6VZI3Jfk

>Hay guyz I dunno basic shit but I wanna do some serious shit very much. Pls halp.

peugeot 106 rallye / s16
saxo vts 16v

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Seeing some RWD vs. FWD here
Over in the states you have to start out FWD N/A, then you can go up to RWD, AWD, and AWD turbo, etc

renault clio 2 rs

rs ragnotti

stupid thread

has op laid any of the groundwork? does he know what races will cost? licensing? what safety equipment is required?

OP will probably squirm at how much safety equipment costs when he realises its more expensive than the car itself.

Also its always cheaper to buy a pre-made car than to build your own once you add all the costs together.

if you just want to do gymkhana and basic autocross then just get a cheap beater or use your DD, those events are not too harsh on the car, if you want to do real rally stages then youre much better off buying a pre-built car because it WILL be cheaper.

(for example, sure i could buy a car here for 300 pounds then buy a rollcage for 600 add on top of that seats and harnesses. and the work required to fit all of that im looking at 2,000 quid for a car to go rallying. or i could just buy a subaru leone that ive seen for sale for 1000 pounds thats stripped, caged, seats and harnesses installed. all ready to go)