/pso2g/ - Phantasy Star Online 2 General #1144

You can't even prove yourself right

Nothing.

>standard strawman bullshit
Yeah nah. Your math never checked out in the first place. Just posting this again without even taking the effort to revise it in light of what we pointed out to you isn't going to get you anywhere.

People refuted all your points and you stopped responding, the debate is over and is basically just shitposting at this point. Not that it ever was anything else before.

TE/HU has free points for 40% wind damage.
TE/BR doesn't, it has to get 40% light mastery instead.
40% wind mastery boosts by 40%.
Still waiting to be proven wrong.

Someone should just link to the posts in the archive.

Boosts zanverse by 40%, oops.
A 40% stronger zanverse is great for MPA's.

Still waiting to be proved wrong.

Digge

Nah, people poked fun at "your math was 2% off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and never refuted anything.

PROVE
ME
WRONG.

Do it you fucking cocksucker faggots.

how long casino boost will be active?

Still waiting for you to bring hard evidence instead of just theorycrafting

Is 3x falz arm auto lose? I've had it many times and failed every single one.

Prove me wrong.

Just ignore him. Don't even reply anymore.

You're not the boss of me

Nah, but the 50/50 you get with two arms practically is

If I've built a decent stash I pussy out every time

except your entire argument was based around Hu sub being higher? Maybe it would help if you didn't constantly move goal posts so people actually know what your point is in the first place.

TE/BR is a meme build for TA's. It fucks around with bow and banishing arrow gimmicks and needs a tattk mag with tattk units to make this do relevant damage(thus needs 20 points into light mastery instead of wind) and can't keep 100% uptime on zanverse, pre-cast resta for boss damage(people get hit all the time in pugs) or instantly super treatment without fucking up it's banishing arrow rotations, thus reducing it's DPS to bottom of the barrel levels.

TE/HU only needs to wand smack, doesn't need 20 points into light mastery so instead has a 40% stronger zanverse via 20 into wind mastery instead. It uses a sattk mag and sattk units so it's wand smacks with attack advance ring are much stronger than a TE/BR's with a tattk mag/tattk units(which is what you'll be running otherwise why the fuck are you te/br?) and can keep up zanverse 100% of the time since it only needs to wand smack, can instantly pre-cast resta whenever it feels like, and can easily instantly super treatment any debuffs due to not having to cast/be afraid of interrupting its banishing arrow combination. 100% uptime on zanverse is a 28% raid wide damage increase. it does respectable damage while providing maximum support.

TE/BR excels at one thing - TA's and solo.

TE/HU is better for other content, and is considerably better and more versatile for MPA and group content.

Prove me wrong.

Ah, I found a mistake.
>It uses a sattk mag and sattk units so it's wand smacks with attack advance ring are much stronger than a TE/BR's

Forgot to add "Single target wand smacks". This is for purely single target only, which it does more single target wand smack damage than a TE/BR.

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Also, in case anyone is confused by "TE/HU only needs to wand smack", it means to maximize damage it only has to wand smack, while a TE/BR has to fuck around with banishing arrow combos.

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>Take the exact same Te tree, units and mag
>sub Br
>more wand smack damage
I'm not going to copypaste the math again. Not to mention that ra grants even without light masteries completely shits on fucking single target wand smacks holy shit I hope this is a joke, are you going to suggest single target launcher DPS next?

your post is a meme build for TA's. It fucks around with taunts and shitpost gimmicks and needs a hu sub and anime pictures to make this do relevant damage(thus needs 20 points into shitpost mastery instead of wind) and can't keep 100% uptime on your dick, pre-cast posts for max (you)s (people reply all the time in threads) or instantly recaptcha without fucking up it's shitpost rotations, thus reducing it's meaning to bottom of the barrel levels.

i only needs to butt smack, doesn't need 20 points into animepost mastery so instead has a 40% stronger captcha via 20 into shitpost mastery instead. It uses a master meme craft so it's contents with my cock ring are much stronger than your post with anime pictures(which is what you'll be running otherwise why the fuck are you here?) and can keep up my dick 100% of the time since it is constantly surrounded by beautiful women, can instantly pre-cast shitposts whenever it feels like, and can easily instantly recaptcha due to not being retarded. 100% uptime on my dick is a 28% raid wide orgasm increase. it does respectable damage while providing maximum support.

your post excels at one thing - flacid dicks.

my post is better for other content, and is considerably better and more versatile for thread shitposts and gameplay discussion.

Prove me wrong.

Oh boy I wonder how many SG this mount is going to cost

Are you 11 years old? Holy fuck I haven't seen a reply to an argument like this since gamefaqs in 2000.

YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG YOU SKYLARK DEFENSE FORCE FAGGOTS ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS NO LONGER APPLY TO THIS *NEW* CLAIM OF MINE
WHAT'S THE MATTER CAN'T YOU PROVE ME WRONG? OH, Y-YOU CAN? WELL THEN I GUESS I'LL KEEP SHOUTING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS UNTIL YOU "SANE" PEOPLE GET TIRED OF IT

CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG NOW HUH OF COURSE YOU CAN'T, FUCKING MEME BUILD USING PIECES OF SHIT

REVIVE PLEASE

Tagamini pet when?

WHO IS DOG

If you're casting ragrants, you are not casting zanverse. PP is also finite, so you cannot keep up zanverse, shifta/deband people who recently died(yes, people die in pso2), pre-cast resta on damage, or instantly super treatment debuffs off of people.

If you're playing TE/BR and using sattk units and mag, while also not even taking light mastery.....

Why the fuck are you subbing BR then? Your ragrants will hit for fucking nothing, and again, pp is finite.

Also, you have rainbow 13 stars?
In order for your wand smacks to outdamage a TE/HU with same tree, same units, same mag, you will need rainbow wands or only fight light weak enemies.

A TE/HU can just use an aura light wand and outdamage you single target with wand smacks on every single boss in the game.

>>If you're playing TE/BR and using sattk units and mag, while also not even taking light mastery.....
To do those single target wand smacks that you suggested? Because Te/Br is better at that. Obviously it's garbage, because single target wand smacks are garbage, but they seem to be the base of your argument so I'm showing you that EVEN there Te/Hu sucks. There is something Te/Hu is better at than Te/Br but this isn't it.

We did this already
You can stop now

>Also, you have rainbow 13 stars?
Not him, but I do.
I enjoy te/br over te/hu all day everyday. Though I keep playing FI or RA most of the time.
No, atma can't accept he's wrong, and he have been proved wrong for 4 years straight, he wont stop.

If you have rainbow 13 star wands, sure. That's a lot of wasted effort to contribute to a very minor amount of your MPA's overall damage. Also rainbow wands generally won't boost zanverse while aura wand pot does.

You should've spent that time/resources gearing an actual good DPS class, not wasting it on a meme build.

A FO/TE will shit all over your damage and kill speed.

A TE should be gearing and optimizing it's playstyle, gear, trees, etc purely for supporting(but not at the expense of 100% of personal dps in pug mpas, because pugs are shit). It's a support class.

Fucking rainbow red wands probably beat aura in both zanverse boost and boss damage with matching element.

I still have yet to be proven wrong. Again, people are arguing semantics(your math is wrong! your number is wrong!) and nothing on topic about my argument(how much damage/support a TE/HU provides and how it's better overall MPA/group damage and more versatile than a TE/BR). TE/BR is a gimmick meme build.

A shame.

Oh well.

>LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I WIN

>see you again tomorrow

Nice backtracking, didn't you already admit that Te/Br would be objectively better in every way if you have rainbow wands?
Like your only argument for Te/Hu at this point is that you're lazy and shit at the game.

Weak stance for BR and striking damage is calculated based on WEAK points, not element weakness. Only the wand explosion damage is based on the enemies element(and spell casts).

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IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAIIIIIRRRRRRR

I guess pointless theorycrafting is all you can really do in the game now

It won't make the fights easier than they already are

>You should've spent that time/resources gearing an actual good DPS class, not wasting it on a meme build.
I did spend the time on "meme builds" once finished gearing up my FO and FI, then moved to TE and RA.
>A FO/TE will shit all over your damage and kill speed.
I enjoy myself doing it and I bet you don't even understand the point of te/gu and how much strong it is than the average FOGU FOTE FOBR or even RAFI at melting bosses in organized runs.
>A TE should be gearing and optimizing it's playstyle, gear, trees, etc purely for supporting(but not at the expense of 100% of personal dps in pug mpas, because pugs are shit). It's a support class.
You are saying I must SUPPORT all the SHIT PUGS. In one hand I could melt groups of enemies in mining base # or support a pug MPA that would do less than 25% of my total DPS with my "meme tebr" build. And they would take longer to kill everything.
Sure it MAKES SENSE.
What are you going to tell me now? To use partisan to solo exodas? How about do your own fucking math and try it yourself because I already did it, I fucking BTFO exodas with bow before BA explodes.

I'm aware of this but I wanted shiyo to figure it out himself. Maybe eventually he'll discover what Te/Hu is actually good at?

I'd like someone to comment on this.
It means that TE/BR's maximize wand smacking damage is ~175% while TE/HU is ~180% using bare bones numbers and average stance.

I don't think TE/BR tree's get average stance.

And that's why one should stop being a lazy and learn to gear/mag properly depending on TEBR or TEHU.

>I don't know how multipliers work
Since the entire basis of your argument was bossing damage this is irrelevant since you'll pretty much always be hitting weakpoints on bosses where damage matters.

No you won't.
That's also arguing semantics, again.
If that was true BR's would use fucking weak stance.

WHY IS SHIYO IN MY TEAM
JESUS CHRIST HES FUCKING ARMCHAIR DEV BULLSHIT AND WHINING ALL THE TIME ON TEAM CHAT
SAVE ME FROM THIS HELL

>pug despair
>spam ilmegid
>get #1 every wave
Why is it so fucking easy to carry?

>play once
>stuck in casino for a week

>If that was true BR's would use fucking weak stance.
They do for bossing trees.

Because you're playing on VH

jesus fuck

no XH

>lying on a Cantonese chat board

>spam rod shoot
>don't even AIS
>rank 1 every wave
It's basically the easiest eq in the game at this point.

What we've learned:
>TE/HU does the most single target wand smack damage.
>When a TE/HU and TE/BR are both using the same tree purely focused on wand smacking(single target) and buffing zanverse, a TE/HU is better at this role due to the above
>TE/HU doesn't need rainbow weapons
>TE/HU has massively more survivability due to iron will, which lets it recover from "oops persona phase failed" and suicide to res/resta people

This game just keeps on becoming even more of a joke with each update.

Let's not forget SEGA is adding rings to remove the need for rainbow rods.
In addition, /hu is like saying you are playing with shitters. While being a shitter self with your safety net.

>mounts
>in pso2
>catering even more to casual fucks
see

>people falling for this
oh god my sides hurt

That ring will most likely change element upon charging zondeel/zanverse/megiverse. It's shit.

Don't forget using ra grants is too hard because PP aren't infinite.

>He doesn't know about the run speed increase because people were too casual to dash.

>You can't Zanverse as TE/BR because you are too busy using BA

Not just that, you can't resta megiverse and anti either.

>strawman arguments
Learn reading comprehension you fucking idiots.

Don't forget
>doesn't matter if you are Te/Br, Te/Hu or Te/Fo the game is easy enough to Facebook anyway

brah please tell me you have a phone

google translate app on phones can do picture translations now, it works perfectly for me when i snap shots of good jobs.

g-heaven.net/topics/2016/08/160803a.html

>Wand elemental change
>Charging technique changes weapon and explosion's element (similar to jetboots)
>Element change does not occur with some (unknown) techniques

Oh, what part of those posts do you disagree with then?

That doesn't change anything, weak stance for STRIKING damage is based on hitting enemy weak points.

Yeah like the weak bullet that's going to be on pretty much any boss.

>mate lovers
>speed up animation (similar to that braver skill) when using mates, HP recovered is increased by unknown percentage

>standing sign
no explanation/translation needed

also interesting
>mirage short
>decreases range of mirage escape
might be cool

btw forgot to add, expected to be added on august 24

Is flash tech guard good or should i put the points in regular flash guard?

Reminder that I wasn't proved wrong and the conclusion we came to was that I was right.

no specifics regarding how element keep for jb works right?

Not them but

I don't even understand what you're trying to contest here

Why not just play the game how you want to

More like you were proven wrong, stopped responding and are now pretending you won, so everyone started mocking the shit you said instead.

looks like it keeps element that you charge, even when your gear runs out, shift action or vinto. the only way to change it is to charge a different tech.

forgot to include that it also mentions it disables element burst skill.

well that takes care of another nuisance for boots

Show me where I was proved wrong.
All I see is i was proved right as stated here:

Yo, new to pso2 and want to use the bow now. What subclasses are good for the bow and what are the most important skills I should take?

Pic is my Waifu, don't bully.

>「ウィークスタンス」はウォンドによる打撃部分は弱点部位に命中した場合のみ適用されるが、法撃爆発は「弱点属性」または「弱点部位に命中」どちらかを満たせば適用される。

>don't bully
I'm going to bully the shit out of her

Bow is shitty situational tier.

Play Ranger with rifle instead. Trust me.