F430 Spider

Thoughts on this car?

Let's say I'm looking to get a sports car within 5 years or so, is one of these with relatively low mileage and about 10 years old worth a look or are they as horrible and expensive to maintain as I've heard all Ferraris are?

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If you have to ask you shouldn't be buying one.

That's what I thought.

What's a sport car that is somewhat reliable/usable as daily driver then?

Apart from Porsche and souped up BMWs.

Any F series Lexus is going to be intensely reliable, but I doubt you would cross shop an F430 with an ISF. Audi R8s still have the supercar part prices, but they tend to be reasonably reliable. About as reliable as an RS4. (The V8 R8s at least) Obviously there's the corvette, but I don't really like meat. Maybe the new TTRS? Will be about as quick as the first gen V8 R8, sounds amazing, and you can get a warranty and modern tech for the price of a used R8. Plus, it finally looks good.

The Audi R8 used to look great but the 2015 model became ugly af in my opinion.

Still, I'm guessing it's never a good idea to get the Lambo engine inside the R8?

And yea I hate muscle.

Try a Lotus

Is the BMW 4 series worth a shit or a meme car?

I heard terrible things about the turbo reliability.

F-Type Jag.

It's faster, better looking, newer, more reliable, cheaper to buy and to run than the ferrari.

They aren't too bad on maintenance, they went to a timing chain with the 430 so you no longer have the 3 to 5 year major. The F1 cars have problems like all F1 trans cars, and if you actually drive it a lot you will burn through clutches, but still not enough to make buying a manual car cheaper since they are so much more expensive right now (the manual cars are super nice to drive though).

>V6

But that's fucking gay. At that point why wouldn't I just get a |6 from BMW?

This particular car has 135k miles on it and has done over 50 track days, still feels rock solid, gone through 4 or 5 rotors and countless pads, and a lot of clutches, but not many non-wear item problems. The only big out of nowhere repair I've seen with 430s is sometimes the instrument cluster reverts to metric so everything reads wrong (it will put the mileage in km but still say "miles", the temp gauge and speed are wrong, etc.), you have to send it out to get reprogrammed at around a $3k bill

it is extremely reliable
the only reason its so expensive to maintain is because the entire engine is a gear pretty much
how much do you make and do you live with anyone that is a drain of income
but if you have already decided no, i would suggest an m series or an ftype R, since this is a future purchase

>not liking based Porsche
kys

>how much do you make
60k eurobucks a year
>and do you live with anyone that is a drain of income
nope

There's a V8 F-Type too mah nigga.

then why are you considering buying a ferrari
unless that number goes up every year you are employed
i would suggest saving up to buy a 3000gt VR4, e46 m series, golf r32, or a focus rs and mod whatever you buy
unless youre buying the car for a statys symbol and not to go fast

as a status symbol*

well its my first job and in 5 years i should be making 80-90k

>f series lexus
>sports car
some serious delusion going on there

what should i be making a year in order to get a cheaper Ferrari like the 430?

150k+
Look into a Maserati Coupe or Spyder, they are dropping under 20k, same engine as the 430 for the most part except it's crossplane. Still would be very difficult to maintain on your salary.

I said F series for a reason; not talking about the F sports. Yeah, it was poorly worded, but the ISF and GSF are about as reliable as it gets when you compare them to other "sports sedans."

You don't have to make 6 figures to afford a ferrari if that's all you care about. It's about priorities. If you don't plan to have a gf or to live in anything larger than a studio apartment and are ok with eating ramen or mac n cheese everyday, you can get a ferrari making far less than 100k.

It's just that most of us would prefer to not live like a poor college student for the rest of our lives for the sake of owning a car.

Not trying to dissuade you from getting one if thats what you want and its what will make you happy. But contrary to what the retards on this board might have you think, money in the bank will get you far more pussy and make you happier than any single car possibly could.

You don't need to make 6 figures to buy one, but you do to keep one on the road. What happens when the top mechanism breaks or your F1 actuator goes out, you are really going to pay 1/4 of your yearly salary to keep it on the road? What's the insurance going to be, 10% of your paycheck? People definitely try to barely squeeze by and buy one but it never lasts, even for people who are making a lot more than OP.

nsx

>spider
no thx

why can't you replace the actuator yourself..? they are literally just cars the same as any other.

>in 5 years i should be making 80-90k
I hate to break this to you, but that is not Ferrari money. That is not even close to Ferrari money.

>they are literally just cars the same as any other.
What other car uses a hydraulic actuated dry clutch sequential? Are you going to make your own parts and borrow the scanner from a dealership so you can do the bleed protocol for the trans after you replace it?

Nissan GT-R

I disagree. I think you could easily own a 360 or 430 on that if you did the work yourself. These are just cars, doing a valve guide job on a 355 is no different than a valve guide on a sr20.

Every SCCA GT club race car.. Every race bike on the planet..

The only issue would be if Ferrari purposely restricts access to parts and information. Which I wouldn't put passed them.

GTR or NSX. Ferd GTs are pretty good too, though they worth more than an NSX and GTR combined.

other scanners can probably do it. and you can always buy the 6 speed.

people work on their own ferraris. this is not putting a rover on mars. if you really had to have them bleed the pump then you could go there to have them do it, but service everything else yourself.

the only reason you cant service something yourself is if they purposely obfuscate it or lock you out of it. id imagine ferrari would do something gay like that, though. but as far as anything not related to electronics you can do yourself. also lol @ 'required engine pulls' to 'check things out' that cost $20k. a fool and his money.

>doing a valve guide job on a 355 is no different than a valve guide on a sr20.
Oh yeah, to do a valve guide job on an sr20 you drop the engine/trans/suspension out of the bottom of the car?


completely different configs than on the Ferrari F1

One other scanner can if you have $20k kicking around
leonardodiagnostictool.com/leonardo-2016-final_003.htm

We did a few cars that people "fixed themselves but only needed the codes cleared/one thing done with the scanner," one needed the trans taken back out at around a $7k round trip because they put a magnet in backwards, and that was done by an indy shop, not some guy in his garage. There just isn't enough info out there to do much beyond an oil change (which most people fuck up because they don't understand how a dry sump works).

Mac n cheese poster here again. I think we're in agreement on how expensive they are to buy and maintain. I was just pointing out to OP that you have to either spend a lot or give up a lot if you want to have a Ferrari. A buddy of mine had to have an F355 with the F1 transmission and the thing bankrupted him with how much everything for it cost.

Btw, your posts sound on the money so I'm assuming you own and/or work on them?