Do you hate French cars?

Are you a male tsundere?

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Lightweight car, low center of gravity plus great suspension geometry equals amazing cornering

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>picking up the kids in this

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Everyone hates French cars.

That's why no one outside of France and 3rd-world countries too poor to afford something else buy them.

Man Renault Twingo is best car in the world.

Should I start listing 3rd world countries?

Fucking Renault making a mid engine rwd sports car still confuses me.

They don't produce a single car that I could afford and want

And the ones I want I'll probably never afford or get a chance to buy

They are making an RR car right now you know

So french

so pretty

>he DOESN'T want a Twingo
what a babyback bitch

so cool

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breh

based venturi

I'm glad because the french have finally started making good looking cars again.

imagine what that would sound like in the back seat

This looks REALLY sexy but I don't see any seams or openings. Is it one of the "put it in service if you want to change oil" type of cars?

>still no original Citroen DS
>no Citroen C6

What.

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I don't hate them, pug 205 GTI still is one of my all time fav, but starting from the late 90's to 2010 was definitely a crappy decade for French cars.

They tried to match German cars by over stuffing cars with electronics but couldn't match the reliability. It's especially bad with Renault. Renault 21 is where it started to go all wrong. Then the second gen Laguna and Mégane were catastrophic.

Design also became bland. Twingo 2 and Clio 3 were just boring as fuck, not helped by the same crappy plastic rattling interiors.

Peugeot with its *07 series were just as boring and Citroen with it's hideous C3 was the finishing blow. Only car mildly interesting was the C4 coupé VTS but too expensive. (Not citing the Clio V6 because it was made in England).

French went from making exciting lightweight 800kg hothatch with punchy small engine, godly chassis and suspensions, and fun short gearboxes to pigfag boring turd overstuffed with dodgy electronics.

Things have improved and the Mégane RS is one of the best FWD out there but it's hard to trust French manufacturers after a decade of crap.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

what are your thoughts on the 306?

I feel the same way about modern peugeot, but I like my 306

Only if they're shit, which is pretty common with French cars.

I would disagree, the 90's went well enough for renault. PSA started decaying then, with peugeot going from french mercedes tier to electrical failure festival, but still producing very good cars, and citroen losing out it's technology and identity but still making cars like the XM and the xantia activa, but renault was in top form with the safrane, 19, first gen laguna etc.

They did blundered hard after the turn of the millennium, renault messing up the all important diesel engine (the laguna II itself sold really well, the 1.9 and later 1.5 dci engine did not leave good impressions though) and PSA in just about everything, but the real thing that german car makers have over the french was being willing to put more power into the cars because in reliability, if anything german cars are worse.

Ever since the turbo era ended, they have been losing on the straight line performance front to the point where PSA's top engine nowadays is an 1.6 turbo 4. Maybe it's because they weren't present in the USA, which is the one that buys the bigger engines, but that impacts the prestige.

This one has been discontinued, by the way. They even recognized that it was too ugly.

You guys tend to forget that Bugatti is french, right?

You tend to forget the lad came from Italy, right?

It's a great car. Love by many thanks to the Maxi rally version. Not really a true hothatch though, the 206 being closer to that. Good chassis and suspensions but a bit heavy (+1100kg).
1.9 TD diesel engine is pretty good but the 2.0L 16V from the GTI-6 is godly.
Car is also cheap to maintain and fairly reliable. I personally prefer the design of the phase 2 and 3.

its an multinational effort actually

>designed by czech guy
>american transmission
>vag engine
>special tires designed for it by michelin
>assembly in france

Who knows what fuck else I'm too lazy to check, fairly sure the transmission isn't german though. Also

>All this effort
>still lose to a lotus with a pushrod v8 put in it by a fat american illiterate hack

Toppity top kek, would probably be better off without a german engine but guess we will never known

Also I meant this for Veyron, didn't notice you posted Chiron sorry, dont know fuck all about that one

I like them but would never own one because they break a lot.

Founded by an Italian at the time German Alsace then obtained by France then bought by German; and the veyron was designed by a Czech now Slovak, engineered by Germans in Germany and assembled by French in France in a Castle lost some place in the middle of nowhere.

Guys, I've been looking to get one of the peugeot hatches for rally-ish fun. Which one do I get? The 306? The 106? The 205? Maybe the 105?

205 or 106. If possible 106 rallye. Alternatively, Saxo VTS.
205 is dirt cheap.
800kg you can further trim down.
306 chassis is too heavy and 105 doesn't exist.

The Veyron was mostly designed in Crewe actually. It was never supposed to even be a Bugatti, it was a Bentley originally.

>Saxo VTS.
hope you like caved-in roofs lad

Why?

Alright, if I go with the 205, which engine version should I be looking out for, considering I can't get the t16?

A 205 1.6 GTI is the best. 1.9 GTI is ok too. Or a 106 rallye. Or a GTI-6 is good too, especially for longer trips (dat 6 speed). Fuck the 206, soulless car.

I'd also look out for an alfasud or a golf gti mk1/2.

Check these cars hard for rust. Insanely fun though.

Frenchfag here (own an Opel), both of you are right, French cars have been getting worse since more that 20years (except for a handful of cars, and C4 VTS is good indeed)
But France or even Europe isn't their main market anymore, they're turning toward China, and don't give a shit anymore about us yuropoor.

Not surprising, since we filthy yurotrash peasants aren't allowed fun things.

I legitimately want to import one, but it will be really hard. And how would I maintain it?

I don't understand why modern French cars exist. They had a little bit of purpose during the hothatch peak but now it's just big floppy cars with loads of cup holders.

>not oui

>There is grip here somewhere

>right now
2005 is 11 years ago

I wouldn't say I hate them, but I don't really care for them. As an american there's really no point in buying one when our cars are just as reliable plus cheaper since their domestic.

Twingo is now

More like
>holy shit, I'm out cornering lotus sevens and elises wee

I laugh at them from a save distance where their shitty built quality can't hurt me.

The most enjoyable car I've ever driven was French

I'd like to have a 2CV someday for shits and giggles.

Absolute confort means more fun when driving fast.

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Love French blue on French cars

>>american transmission
Ricardo is British mate

French cars can make boring germans smile.

No.

People here would hate on a DS because it's french,and everything french must break.

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i see someone knows the subject

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"SM" stands for "Sexy Motherfucker". God DAMN.

New petrolicious:

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the DS is seriously shit mechanically.

no but I hate the French

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troll, stfu

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>sports car
>lifted
>off-road truck wheels
kek

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suffering

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It actually was built for offroading though.

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Based selective yellow before yurocuckhold had to ruin it. Still mad.