220bhp

>looks great

yeah, and thats exactly it. it needed to be gimped. rotaries arent for people that want to drive economically.

if hydrogen fuel became more widespread they would be awesome.

No.

whats so unbelievable about 280hp, in a car that came stock with 245hp standard. and the engine still revs to 8500rpm.

Eight Thousand Five Hundred.

That kind of makes 280hp a bit less impressive.

There's one with 6MT on sale near me. It has a twin oil intercooler and a racing exhaust. The owner claims it only has been serviced by rotary specialist It's from 2004 an only has like 9K miles on it. He is asking 11k dollars.

Should I do it? I've read that the RX-8 pre 2006 had the most problems.

>revs to 8500
>less than 300hp
>b-but muh revs
>thinking this is impressive
Get ended faggot

you dont understand what i posted

im not impressed by the revs. its a moot point.

my point is, you say 280hp isnt possible on a stock RX8 that comes out from the factory at 245hp.

Why are Revs important? Because...

Torque * Revs = HP

So, a litre motorbike can make 200hp. cause it revs to 15,000.

With me?

I didn't say that. I'm just the second person to think you're retarded. You were talking to the other guy who thinks you're an idiot

then you clearly dont understand how Horsepower is calculated.

Ok then

>waiting for it to warm up
I've never done this with a car

they don't actually make 245hp from the factory though

Cool
too bad about the meme engine.
shoulda had a v8

>Like other standard 248 PS (182 kW; 245 hp) RX-8s

From Wikipedia.

No. From the factory, the most anyone has ever seen in a healthy motor is 185whp. With an aggressive 100 octane tune, with a header, airbox, and catback, 2 oz/g premix, you might see 220 whp, and that's optimistic.

Source: I own one of these fuckin things

pls respond ;_;

Ripoff. It's a grand touring (read: pigfat) and ALL the 6MT came with the oil coolers. There's nothing special. Car is maybe worth 7k.

Wikipedia will tell you the GT86 makes 197hp, we all know that isn't true either.

not once did anyone mention WHEEL horsepower. You did. so, take the difference lost and add it to your figure.

or maybe they tested wheel power, i dont know.

you say 280hp isnt possible on a stock RX8 that comes out from the factory at 245hp.

whats so unbelievable about 280hp, in a car that came stock with 245hp standard. and the engine still revs to 8500rpm.

The renesis is capable of 280hp

from a NA Boxer?

Power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp) at 7,000 RPM

thats not a surprising figure at all for a 2litre engine.

>being this much of a stats babby
are you new to cars m8?

The grand touring didn't come in 2005?

If the rest of the car is clean it might be worth it for the price. But extra cooling and an exhaust on a twelve year old car with only 9k suggests it was a track toy.

Which would make for 9k very hard miles on the engine and trans esp. At any rate I'd investigate the costs associated with a rebuild for when the apex seals fail and tack that onto the cost of the car itself.

If that price works for you then go for it, RX-8's are great handling machines and quick enough for what they are.

Do consider though that the S2000 is an alternative in a similar price bracket with most of the same qualities and fewer drawbacks.

And if you like modifying/arent concerned with straight line performance the Miata and MR-S can be had cheaper and while slower have the same emphasis on handling.

You think the drive train is so inefficient as to be at 30% parasitic loss?

I'm friends with the guy who rebuilt the Koni Challenge RX8 motors - these things DO NOT make 245 CRANK, you buffoon.

9k Miles seems extremely suspect.

It would be a weird car to roll back, but it's not out of the question for a dude trying to make a quick buck.

it actually only makes 139 hp at the crank

this translates to around 45 hp at the wheel at 7100 rpm

There's no extra cooling - all 6MT came with dual coolers.

i dont rank cars by numbers. its simple maths. thats all this is about. 280hp from a 1.3 litre engine that runs like a two stroke and revs all the way the 8500rpm..

is that 280hp is not surprising. and 2 litres and 200hp at 7000rpm. not surprising.

i never put a number on it. but regardless of what the actual percentage loss is, its still a loss. and that means whatever the power at the wheels is, its going to be more at the crank.

kek

you're pretty clueless lad

thank you captain obvious

It's not 30%. You are in a dream world.

139/45 is 94. thats a 94kmh loss from drivetrain.

which is, what, 67% power loss.

hey, im not the one that brought it up. the other dude brought it up.

again, read clueless? why? how?

back to /ovg/ pls lil fella

Yeah, it was probably a track toy. I would definitely go for a S2000, but I've never seen one on sale nor in the street, so I'm positive it never came to my country. This offer caught my eye because it's the first time I found a RX8 with manual. Every other one I've seen is AT (sequential).

lol what do you think you just won?

>he took that post seriously

you took my post seriously? lol

Well I wrote to the guy and he says it's actually from 2005 so probably RX8fag is right about being a GT.

Ah decisions. I'll go take a look at it next week. I'll check the apex seals and the usual stuff.

you've been acting like a retard for half the thread why would I assume you weren't being serious

I can vouch for this, I drive by one every day.

Yes, the formula Mazda guys have it down

and that means whatever the power at the wheels is, its going to be more at the crank.

That part makes me retarded? i was explaing that to a retard.

139/45 is 94. thats a 94kmh loss from drivetrain.

which is, what, 67% power loss.

and that is sarcasam back to this guy

>It's not 30%. You are in a dream world.

because this guy thinks that

>it actually only makes 139 hp at the crank

>this translates to around 45 hp at the wheel at 7100 rpm

he was being sarcastic and he didnt put in a /s. so why should i?

You're a retard.

>He fell for the 'crank hp is different than whp' meme.

LMAOing@urlifeRN

You make 6 inches at the testes but only 3 inches at the penis

says the retard

lol

Why don't you call up Racing Beat or Mazdatrix and ask them how much a stock fresh Renesis made on the engine dyno if you don't believe me.

That's definitely motivation towards the RX-8. And if it is clean it is a fun car. Definitely not straight line fast but a very well sorted chassis, and a 6MT plus 8500 rpm redline is always a good thing.

236ps according to amemiya-san

Why do that when I can just google RX8 Stock Motor Dyno

and then tell you that the point is making 280HP, not Wheel Power, with a 13b rotary is still not that difficult. Especially when they are tuned from factory to run ECONOMICALLY.

Do you just really believe that 13B Renesis cant make 280HP (Crank Horsepower, Engine Horsepower)..

Which again, is not really a huge deal nowadays. This isnt the seventies.

NA : Team rx8 hit about 220whp

Team RX 8 got 220 to the wheels.

team's car has no AC, and lots of stuff has been *Stripppppppped* out for weight savings

he has a custom self built exhaust manifold, custom self built exhaust, customized CAI (which i have dibs on if he will ever send it to me. ), lightweight rims, probably pullies and every other single hp gaining mod, no matter how infinitesimal.

i think he said 226whp btw. but the only dyno he posted was 222whp.

so, what percentage of Parasitic loss should we use to calculate this then?

15% is standard practice for manual rwd

I'd go with 72% parasitic loss at that point. that's a lot of mawds.

220whp + 15% (33hp) 253hp at the crank.

Thats 30hp off the other guys estimate. and thats from back in 2008.

>Why do that when I can just google RX8 Stock Motor Dyno
kek why indeed, it's the current year after all

its also 2am, and i really dont want to talk to people using my voice.

TeamRX8 is a dick. His car was a STX car, now it's a DSP car, if I'm not wrong that 226 is on E85. Also within SP rules he's using a Series II diff. 226 is realistic. Not whatever you guys are spazzing about.

okay get mummy to do it for you in the morning

226 what? Wheel horsepower?

+15% drivetrain loss is about 250hp.

thats 30 off the other guys estimate.

and my argument didnt specify what mods were done or how it was tuned.

i just said that 1.3L rotary making around 280hp isnt that surprising.

if you were to bridgeport it, or street port it. but for the sake of argument, just say stock engine without internal work? then thats still only 30hp difference.

8500rpms is a lot of revs

rpm doesn't mean shit bro. yeah sure hp=rpm*torque, but torque doesn't stay the same as rpm increases

you can't just increase revs and expect power to keep going up

listen you dumb nigger it makes 185 at the wheels stock
that's ~215 at the crank
not 245

getting to 280 at the crank just with an exhaust and tuning isn't happening.

When you go into internal mods, it's a whole different animal.

Yeah that's true, torque does drop off and I totally agree.

But look at a rotaries torque curve, they are different than a regular piston engine.

>and my argument didnt specify what mods were done or how it was tuned.
err, yes it did
>The renesis is capable of 280hp with exhaust, stock intake, and aggressive tuning. But horrible fuel consumption

Doesn't mean its not possible with a rotary. I never gave you a limit to what mods to do. But that also means I didn't specify that forced induction wasn't an option either.

We would be aiming for 250hp at the wheels, those guys got it to 220. That's only 30hp difference. And that was 8 years ago.

Also true.

Yeah isn't me.i'm

you should have corrected him, seeing as you replied.
so your argument is it could make 280 with forced induction, which no one doubts.

Yup. I've had 2. I get to complain.

I now have north of 500hp, and get 15mpg on the same driving route in a car that ways 900lbs more. Anyone who thinks the rotary is coming back is delusional.

Makes 232hp at the crank according to reamemiya

There isn't much to do in the way of internal mods, other than reshaping the ports a tiny tiny bit. Pic related

I should just trip up, but that would make me a faggot.

And way, let's not talk forced induction anyway. Stick with NA.

Look at the 26B, it make nearly 700hp (wheels or crank I'm not sure). And that's probably the best example I guess? I'd need to research that more.

I was replying to the whole 280hp and someone talking about wheel horsepower. And that 280jp on an NA rotary isn't unbelievanle.

But again, what's the budget, what's the deal with engine work? If I'm gabbing up a custom exhaust, can I do a new intake? Etc etc.

You're just wrong at this point. Let it go

See

What's 278.3PS in green for?
And 236.7PS in red then?

>he just can't let it go

Green is modified red is stock

Mine got 18 mpg and was running fine on its original engine at 106,000 miles two weeks ago when i sold it.

That's pretty good MPG if you consider the power/weight ratio as well as power in general.... BUT it's also bad on oil!
Fuck me if I don't want one, though.

you cant bridgeport a renesis. you can't really anything-port a renesis

thats a wanker engine for you

someone tell racing beat

racingbeat.com/RX8/Porting-Tools/22203.html

>rotary engines can't make more than 280hp

Wew lad

>I don't understand people who like cars for more than just logical reasons
Are you sure you're an enthusiast? You don't have to like the car, but you there's more to liking a car than the numbers.

no there isn't

that's like saying you'll fuck fat women just because they have 'personality'

what's the fucking point

epic

>I got 18mpg
>it lasted 108k
>in my mind

>doesn't use much oil
It uses 2 stroke levels of oil and requires warming up or you'll flood the fucking thing.

I like rotaries, but don't pretend they're reliable.

2 stroke levels of oil? If you premix yeah kinda but not really
Engine oil? Nothing, definitely not more than the average piston engine

> warming up
Basically don't red line straight from a cold start, like any performance engine

You may like rosaries but don't pretend to know anything about them

You are all aware that rotary engines/the rx8 were good until Ford got involved, right?

Only the Yanks could take a road racing engine and decide it must be made into a 4 door economy car. Probably because they don't understand how power works in anything other than a 10l v8.

Great car except for the engine :^))))