/pog/ - Le Mans Edition

Want to get an early N/A watercooled 911/Boxster but are afraid of the infamous IMS issue? Well I'm gonna try to change your mind

>What is an IMS
The intermediate shaft has been present on Porsche flat 6 engines ever since the original air cooled 911 all the way up to the 9x7.1 generation 911s, Caymans, and Boxsters
It's used to indirectly drive the camshafts and is in charge of engine timing

>What goes wrong?
The IMS itself is perfectly fine, the problem was when Porsche switched to watercooled engines they needed a bearing on the flywheel side of the engine, and with their infinite wisdom they decided to use a sealed bearing with a lifetime grease
What happens over time to a small handful of these bearings is that the grease dries out and it fails, causing the IMS to throw the timing out of sync and grenade the entire engine in seconds
The bearing on the opposite side is lubricated by engine oil and has never been known to fail

>How often to these fail?
Engines from '97-'99 use a robust dual row bearing that has a failure rate of less than 1%, it's the engines made from '00-'04 that use a weak single row bearing that has a failure rate as high as 10%
But don't worry just yet, general consensus is that if the bearing in your car is faulty it would have failed before 40k miles
In addition the best way to keep it healthy is to actually drive your car like a Porsche should be driven; low mileage garage queens are more prone to failure

>How much would this cost me to repair?
If you have a higher mileage car I wouldn't worry too much, especially if your car has a dual row bearing
Fixes include:
>replacing the bearing with a new OEM part - $100
>IMS Guardian - $400
>replacing the bearing with an aftermarket ceramic bearing - $600
>removing the seal and adding a flange that directly feels engine oil to the bearing - $800
The last option is the only true way to fix the problem, but I personally don't feel any of this is necessary

Hope this clears up some misconception

>inb4 OP image triggers /hg/

Any /pog/gers have Youtube videos about their Porsche? I was thinking of making a series about my 944, just posting about little projects here and there. Thoughts?

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Go for it. Don't know if you've seen Van Svenson's videos, but he has a lot of videos on assorted Porsches, mostly 944s though.

Seconding van svensons channel, he's also all over Rennlist, super helpful guy. Helped me sort out my suspension.

You should do it user, I've been meaning to make a vid of the heater core bypass I just did.

oh and hey I meant to ask you in the last thread, what are the tracks you guys go to in Southeast region? i know you're based out of Road Atlanta right?

i need a trailer bad.

Good work on this

thnx bby

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>I was only 9 years old
>I loved Porsche so much, I had all the die casts and posters
>I pray to Ferdinand Porsche every night before bed, thanking him for the life I've been given
>"Porsche is love" I say; "Porsche is life"
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot
>I know he was just jealous of my devotion for Porsche
>I called him a plebian shitbox ricer
>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
>I'm crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in bed and it's really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>It's Ferdinand Porsche
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear "I looked around but couldn't find the car I dreamt of, so I decided to build it myself."
>He grabs me with his powerful ogre hands and puts me down onto Craiglist, Carandclassic and Ebay Motors
>I'm ready
>I spread my wallet for Porsche
>He penetrates my debit card
>It hurts so much but I do it for Porsche
>I can feel my wallet tearing as my spendings on parts imported from Germany start to stack
>I push against his force
>I want to please Porsche
>He roars in a mighty roar as he fills my gas tank with his love
>My dad walks in
>Porsche looks him straight in the eyes and says "If one does not fail at times, one has not challenged himself."
>Porsche leaves through my window
>Porsche is love. Porsche is life.

I love this meme

>LeMans edition
>Doesn't post the legendary 956
Over 3 decades later and it's still the fastest machine around the Nurburgring with its unbeatable 6:11:13

It's also pure automotive pornography
youtu.be/yni-W7s3Hp4

You posted the wrong 956

lol at this shit

It's an automatic cabrio gt3rs

Wink

What happened to that thread? OP kill over embarrassment?

Would an 06-07 Cayman S be a bad idea? What am I dealing with here faggots?

Why do all porches look the same? Like frogs

That's racist

Frog lives matter

They're great cars on the track and on the street
They're also very practical daily drivers and actually pretty reliable if you treat them right and actually drive them

I only have one of my 911 without it's muffler
youtube.com/watch?v=9O3y0O_nP-w

Any common problems with the early models? Almost tempted to wait till 2009's are more affordable because I think they updated the infotainment system. I know it's a Porsche, but I really want some way to play music from my phone lol.

no user, racist to Porsches

Oil separator

It's a simple fix and a $70 part but it can look like a blown head gasket
Untreated it can hydrolock the engine with oil

If it's 50-70k miles, is it likely the original owner already dealt with this?

Probably not, it happened to my Boxster at like 120k miles

It's easy to replace yourself even if you have no experience working on cars, you only need basic tools to undo the engine cover and pull off the hoses from the separator, it should all take about an hour

One thing to make sure is that it really is the oil separator that failed
When you notice the engine is pouring white smoke out of the tail pipe, try to take off the oil cap while the engine is running. If it's hard to remove any there's a huge vacuum holding it down, the separator needs replacing

Is it worth it to save more for the 2009 (2010?) face lift? As far as appearance, it pretty much looks the same to me other than a different steering wheel. I think there were some mechanical changes and power bump though?

It uses a completely different and superior engine architecture, so if you can stretch your budget to get a face lifted Cayman S I recommend it

I'm afraid I might be too autistic on camera

My sunroof motor is working, it spins when I press the switch, but the little arms won't push out. What do.

'87 944 btw

porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/christophorusmagazine/articleoverview/article07/

Anyone else read this?

>tfw you'll never drive a banged up 356 retrofitted with Japanese internals through Cuba

It's kind of insane how they had to do that out of necessity

clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/body-03.htm

>Want to order fleaBay muffler to fuck around
>can get it for $250 shipped in the US
>ends up costing $500 in Canada because of shipping and import charges
When will it end?

Its not a matter of if I should.

It's matter of if I can.

Can I viably get a 944, then modify it so I can rally it?

I'm not talking taking the ol shitbox out for a spin in the dirt either, I'm talking full rallycross style minus the retarded livery.

A huge amount of the cost is safety equipment, it could costs thousands of dollars before you even start to work on the rest of the car to make it even remotely competitive just to get it to be allowed to run in an event

When the country stops being a meme

Guess what I got to drive today /pog/?!?!?!

Holy shit was it fun. Time to trade in my 911 and buy a beater DD.

More pics on my DSLR, I'll post them as soon as I can find my stupid CF adapter.

Now imagine that car with the naturally aspirated 4 litre flat 6 that revs to 9000 rpm and makes 500bhp from the 911 GT3

Hard to imagine it being any better, but that would be the only thing that would do it.

borrowing my dads 911 today as my z is getting inspected and the 944 is prepped for light surgery this evening.

Road Atlanta, Carolina Motorsports Park, and Roebling Road are the three main ones. I am doing my first event at Barber next month, and I try to get to VIR when I can.

>taking pictures while driving

ISHYGDDT

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>Fabspeed exhaust costs $2500
>car is barely worth $5000

can yall link me to a stream or something?

Here ya go
youtu.be/U_lAmHj9oGY

niggger rig your own

meh it was a boring straight road, going slowly, didn't require much attention, only reason i felt ok doing it.

fuck me that car is so. good.

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First for we le mans winners now

Holy fuck jap engineering

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GTR owner here, i have a question as i'm really considering getting my first 911, hopefully an existing owner can answer this.

Everyone gives porsche shit for having the engine behind the rear axle, but then i also hear people say how amazing they handle, so my question is...

>How well do they handle and does the AWD compensate, what else goes into making it work?

I'm coming from a car that can take corners at brutal speeds and nearly everything i hear about the 911 is positive, so i'm really looking forward to getting one, but i don't want to go in blind and fuck up because there's something inherent to the way you drive rear axle that i did not know about (like how you drive RWD differently).

So basically, can anyone tell me more about 911's?

Appreciate any and all help.

You can hard launch a Turbo 50+ times in a row without the car overheating and going into limp mode

Skyline GTR here, so no launch problems.

How strong are the older 911 drivetrains for building seriously?

I'm looking to buy a manual 911, so i've been considering an older one, are there any big problems to worry about?

From what I know 911s have absolutely brutal launches because of their rear-mounted engine, but because of that engine placement in corners the engine does want to try to overtake you (especially on older 911s).
They turn in really sharp, but it might be harder to recover from a slide. You'll need to adjust your driving style when you're coming from a front-engined car.

Their AWD system is really good though, so there's a ton of grip.

How old are we talking about?

Well i mean, in my GTR i've taken corners at 250+ without coming close to losing grip, so i guess i'm asking if an older porsche will slide out on me if i try and do the same thing?

I would hope not, cause i would be fitting it with the same rubber and it would also have AWD.

I can adjust my driving style if it's needed, but it would make me sad if the car's not capable of doing that as i've heard really positive things about 911 performance.

Was looking at the last of the air cooled, or a post 2006 one (i hear that's when the engine got better or something?

I'm new to all this, really excited but i don't wanna jump in too far before i choose what kind is best for me.

They're pretty robust, there's a reason why Porsche is always on Lexus' tail for reliability and it's not their SUVs that got them there

911s, Caymans, and Boxsters are all designed to be driven every day as well as driven hard. A 911 Turbo is viable as your only car is you wanted

If you expect to barrel into a corner in a 911 and have computers sort everything out for you, the forget about it

You need to manhandle 911s, especially the older air cooled ones when you're driving them at the limit. They take a lot from the driver side in order to go fast
youtu.be/OSMCfPASImQ

Newer ones are much more tamer, but you still need to follow the basic slow in, fast out method of taking corners to avoid spinning out and to take full advantage of the crazy amounts of traction the car has accelerating out of a corner

Hey, that's almost exactly my car. Different wheels.

Love my 06 CS. Fun to drive. Reliable so far after 10k miles.

That sounds good to me. I was thinking about getting a 964 or 993 manual + AWD and then getting it built with forged internals + turbo for somewhere between 5-600, so it's still nice and streetable but also really strong.

I was also considering getting a newer turbo S, but i like the idea of having a vintage porsche.

How will it compare to my GTR? It's not a 35, so it's not LOL COMPUTER mode, the only real assist it has is rear steering (hicas) above 80km/h which is very manual, you can actually feel it tugging below the car and adjust accordingly.

Do the older 911's have a mechanical feel like that? That's something i'm acquainted with in multiple cars and like, rather than having a computer controlling traction and whatnot for me.

I'm just worried about the rear axle's weight sliding me out, even with AWD and tons of grip, in the wet or something because i was not prepared for it.

Is it controllable if you know what you're doing, or can it fuck you?

It's a vintage Porsche, of course it'll feel mechanical
Aircooled 911s are also pretty damn expensive now days

blackflag.jalopnik.com/toyota-loses-le-mans-to-porsche-in-shocking-heartbreak-1782241062

Fuck, as much of a Porsche nigger as I might be, that was genuinely heartbreaking ;_;

Oh they're between 100 and 200 grand where i live, but it's not like i'm unaware of the cost otherwise i would not be entertaining the idea.

I'm far more concerned with familiarizing myself with them. I'm worried that i'll come from my built GTR and the porsche won't live up to the hype (i really want it to) or worse, it will put me in a wall because rear axle.

Really hoping that's just memes and they have figured out how to compensate for weight behind the rear axle, does anyone have more information on the technical side of how that works?

Why not test drive one?

Figure i won't get a test drive of an older one (even though i can afford one) until i've paid for it, or won't be allowed to thrash it and really find out what i want to know.

Thus i'm trying to ask actual owners who have thrashed them.

Why not ask the sellers?

They're all boomers who keep them in the garage here, not even joking.

There's like 5 on carsales here.

doesn't even feel like a win when it's like that

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Prices for a decent 928 are way higher than that.

Depends on your definition of decent

I've seen prices for 928s go from a cheap as $2k to way past $30k

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>Is it controllable if you know what you're doing, or can it fuck you?

diff user here, but both. 911's regain grip as you accelerate on corner exit. once you get the hang of it you learn to load the front for turn in, get on the throttle asap and DO NOT LIFT.

The awd are very slightly more tame in that aspect but the older turbo's negate that tameness.

Well i mean, it's a rule of thumb in my GTR that i never spool around a corner, or there's no recovering and i know that, i always maintain neutral or moderate throttle and just build my speed prior to the corner.

Is it like similar to RWD when you're driving hard in that you maintain on the throttle to keep pushing yourself forward, just before the limit of where it's too much power and will send you flying (which i'm used to).

As long as it's basically "don't spool" i can easily manage that, i was more concerned about taking a corner hard, keeping on the throttle neutral and then having the rear axle come out on me before my tyres lose grip. That can't happen right?

Spot the 944

928 is there too

155 mph through a corner in a GTR without losing grip... Yeah, OK.

944 and 928 are the sexiest out of the bunch by far, accompanied by the first gen RX7 at best.

Didn't you hear? The slightest curve in the road is now a corner

>that can't happen right?
No not really. But if your throttle sensitivity is lacking and you lift a bit too far then yes the back will want to spin.

Go test drive a 911 you'll understand more about what I mean. It doesn't take too long to recognize the difference in how weight is moved around in the RR layout.

Don't know if I've posted this yet here

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