>Listening to Podcast about Randomware and the economics behind it >Researchers are talking about how they tried it on for themselves, and with ZERO CODING were able to make $120,000 from a $4000-6000 investment... in 90 days
>They talked about how PHYSICAL bank robberies - someone literally running into a bank with a gun, has a 60-80% chance of getting away with it in the US. And cybercrime is obviously a very small fraction risk of that, given how many anonymizing features exist, and the whole nature of jurisdiction and evidence to convict >Even being legal, security researchers they asked why more people aren't doing this and couldn't really come up with a reason besides not knowing how PROFITABLE and SAFE it is
>TFW we're here buying index funds to make 8% A YEAR, or trading cryptocucks to make a lot of money, but with high risk.... when we could be making like 3000% ROI with this shit
Wtf guys?
Why aren't we discussing the REAL business?
Nathan Peterson
>asking for tips on how to get sent to prison to be pounded in the ass until the end of your natural life
as expected from someone like OP
Dylan Bell
Except it has a tremendously low rate of conviction? And punishments aren't that steep.
Look man.
if you robbed a bank or broke into a house you have a 3-4/5 chance of getting away with it completely... and that's a physical, serious property crime.
Now turn it to cyber, and throw in the difference in jurisdiction, evidence for conviction, etc etc and you're looking maybe a couple % rate of getting caught. And even then it'll LIKELY be a few years in min security (for non violent, first offense).
I just want to discuss the economics behind this stuff because honestly this shit makes any other kind of crime obsolete, just by how safe and profitable it is.
Liam Walker
i tried but motherfuckers here are so cheap they just format their systems and start all over i do know that there are ones that encrypt everything but they are a little expensive for ma cheap ass
Andrew Young
>Except it has a tremendously low rate of conviction? And punishments aren't that steep.
10 years in prison plus a lifetime ban of ever owning, using, or hooking up to a computer and the internet
unless you live in the middle of africa every human being now NEEDS a computer or the internet to do anything.
You really want to go back to writing letters?
Anthony Hill
>10 years of prison
[Citation needed]
Show me even 5 cases of people getting SENTENCED 10 years or over for these kinds of things.
Protip: even hackers who are responsible hundreds of millions of dollars get under 10 years.
Charles Cooper
>Lifetime ban
>Move to another country and use internet cafe Oh wow strong
Zachary Gray
i'm no expert but these things need time and a lot of preparation to be honest isn't worth the risk at all i'd rather sell crack on the street
Isaac Hernandez
Because global rule 1. >You will not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to anything that violates local or United States law.
Alexander Scott
>with ZERO CODING were able to make $120,000 from a $4000-6000 investment
but most of us only have $20 starting capital, only good to buy a pair of kneepads
Levi Collins
My morals don't allow me. I'd sooner sell coke.
Kayden Scott
>randomware >We've randomly encrypted some of your files. Send money and we might tell you which ones they are and how to unlock them.
Michael Campbell
Even cc fraud gets you 3 years.
Come on kid, make $100k from cc fraud n you made 30k from a 3 year sentence. And you get free room n board, so 100k for 3 years?
Also your dumbasses believing you get fcked in prison is retarded. Holy shit. Top tier ignorance.
Charles Foster
You mean ransomware?
Hunter Lopez
>implying they let you keep the money >implying you are smartass enough to hide it from them
Parker Wood
Ah ransomware I didn't know what the fuck. anyway yea I heard a podcast on this too, some poor old lady was just getting tortured lol. why would anyone do this to someone. ducking crooks, crime doesn't pay. one way or another if you you try to make a living doing bullshit like this it'll catch up to you. Why not just put in that time and effort to do something legitimate.
Christian Nelson
Not according to researchers
You basically just plop down money as an investment to various vendors and they figure it all out for you mostly.
As in. You buy the malware binary + support, then you buy traffic, guaranteed click rates/infections, cash out services and it's pretty much money making itself.
At least from what I've been hearing from researchers on podcasts and blogs
Cooper Reyes
We're not discussing this shit here OP because we aren't total idiots.
First, threads will prob get deleted if real plans for crimes are discussed.
Second, even if the chance is small, if you're smart, you'll try to minimize risk as much as possible. Start a private chat or something.
Third, morals, personally I have fucked up morals compared to others, but most people on this board actually don't like crime.
Luke Jones
>Crime doesn't pay >Make literally like 3000% off your investment
Angel King
>broke into a house you have a 3-4/5 chance of getting away with it completely You must live in the UK. Come in to my place. I have some 12 gauge slugs waiting for you.
Elijah Walker
You're so badass
Jacob Bennett
Why thank you
Brayden Brown
Not everyone lives in a 3rd world country
Tyler Robinson
> implying btc doesn't exist > implying green dot doesn't exist > implying gift cards don't exist > being this ignorant and shilling it
Nathan Green
Just saying, breaking into houses in the US is just begging to get shot. Close to half of the homes have at least one gun.
Michael Ross
It's every thread man. People either playing dumb or just being ridiculously ignorant. (Thinking you get 25 to life for carding, Thinking everyone gets caught, etc)
Aaron Cox
Maybe you guys should do something about police killing people and autists on prozac shooting up schools, huh?
Adam Rogers
Do you mean ransomware?
Elijah Bell
Probably. But what does that have to do with the odds of successfully breaking into homes?
James Adams
Name of Podcast?
Jack Gomez
Pretty sure the house thing applies to other countries but the bank thing to the US
Benjamin Carter
Bank robbery is a sucker's game, and that 60-80% stat smells like bullshit. Marked bills, dye bombs, the list goes on and on. I'd guess those that get away with it have invested considerable cash in the attempt, and since that's something most don't have (or if they do, are unwilling to blow it on a bank raid), the vast majority are going to be shitty and fail miserably.
Nolan Green
I think the point was that contrary to people's popular belief it's totally opposite.
Ask someone if bank robbery is reasonable, they'll tell you it's suicide! You're bound to get caught!
And yet more often than not they get away with it.
Ian Phillips
>more often than not they get away with it Really. What exactly are you basing this belief on?
Ayden Wright
>Lawyer up—In the United Kingdom, about 20 percent of would-be bank robbers get caught and go to jail. According to the FBI, the cash stolen in bank robberies was recovered in about 22 percent of successful robberies in 2010. If you make a habit of it, by the fourth bank robbery, you're more likely to be in jail than walking the streets.
Jace Hill
You need to read a little more. Bank robbery has one of the highest rates of conviction out there. But hey, I'm sure you're an exception, and will manage to pull it off. Good luck out there!
Matthew Morris
>2016 >robbing banks
Hudson Morgan
Yes idiot...
That's what I'm saying, even SOMETHING as serious as bank robbery - with dozens of witnesses and media attention isn't THAT high of a rate of getting caught.
Which is why cybercrime is a small fraction of that for obvious reasons. I swear some of you people are illiterate or entirely lack critical thought. Use your head moron I'm using physical robbery as an example
Ayden Richardson
>Completely missing the point of the thread, seeing one small part of a discussion and using le meme implying arrows
What's the point of this board again?
Aiden Kelly
...
Luke King
Which podcast?
Nathan Mitchell
>he thinks people break into houses at night, when the occupants are home >not at 8-9ish in the morning just after you've left for work and it doesn't matter how many guns are in the house
Ethan Torres
Ya. You can't really expect much. I'd say do some research on the topic before shilling yourself. Just cause' you have knowledge of the topic, doesn't mean you actually do it. There's nothing wrong with being informed.
Henry Perry
This.
Jaxson Scott
DtSR podcast
no but I mean I've seen in threads like this, and even this thread you write it out plainly and they just say "lol no enjoy 80 years in prison"
Jace Perry
Which is why our society is in the place it's in, cause' no one actually understands the government and it's processes. It's automatically assumed doing something illegal is 25 to life - enjoy being ass rapped.
Thanks for cast.
Ryan Brown
I guess it's just how some people cope because it's easier than facing the realization that there are people making your yearly salary in a month, doing very easy "work" that virtually anyone can do if they applied themselves
Adam Gomez
Which I'd agree with.
And in my personal opinion, research I've done, is it really any different than white collar crime? 2008 is a great example.
Benjamin Young
Used to scam on runescape, used to flip like 100-200k into 1 rare (5mil back in my day). Was the greatest way to make money
Scamming has always been in my blood, and I want to do it Veeky Forums
Just the other day my brother had his 24th birthday, and my uncle gave him $80 in cash in a card. He got hammered, and I took the money and he thinks it's lost somewhere.
Adrian Kelly
It IS white collar crime though
You're just a nigger dude
There's a difference between making money and stealing just for the heck of it
Ryan Morgan
You're right.
I mean that white collar crime that occurs on Wall Street. Like the recent Wells Fargo scandal for example.
Brandon Carter
it's probably even the same kind of people doing it
The idea that it's some neckbeard hacker wearing an anonymous mask is long outdated
Nolan Johnson
Yeah it does retard thats why people throw out their morals.
Xavier Richardson
Yeah while your fatass is sleeping, far too braindead from mcds and the 40oz coke. Lets be honest, you're likely gonna fuck up and kill some drunk dude wandering into your house
Nicholas James
Lol amerilards btfo, how can they even recover
Charles Thomas
Russian roulette has even better odds, why don't you go try it.
Jose Cook
>Clearing Your Browser History Is A Felony >destruction of records under Sarbanes-Oxley, which carries a 20-year prison sentence of its own.
Luis Mitchell
>tfw Veeky Forums is a felony punishable by 300 years in a Communist gulag
Damn dude
Wyatt Bennett
>Changing a MAC address equals fraud? >This time, the prosecutors were all over him, and he faced up to 35 years in jail, although it now appears that they were willing to make a deal for 6 months plus probation. But the key issue here is how they even managed to pile up so many charges on him that could bring such severe consequences? The main issue that prompted this was nothing more than breaking terms of services. Every major website has a link at the bottom of the page that links to a ToS, which specifies what you can and cannot do on that site >breaking a site's ToS usually results in being banned from the site, not going to jail for decades. >n order to push the case forward, even after JSTOR refused to press charges, prosecutors instead focused on the fact that Aaron had hidden his identity in order to add wire and computer fraud charges. Those are the charges which carry a much heavier penalty. >what the prosecutors went after, the fact that changing something like a MAC address to hide the presence of a laptop is a crime
Asher Peterson
>TFW using a vpn is punishable by a minimum of 50 years in max security with 4days a week solitary confinement