/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #407

Chloe is #1

Kate is #1

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All the girls are #1 at something

Except Victoria

Pricefield is #1

Chloe, we know you get upset over this sort of stuff, but that's uncalled for

Marshfield is #1

Agreed 100%.
Nothing else even comes close.

Max is #1 at being cute.

number 1 at being a bitch?

Bay>Bae

She's pretty cold at the start, but she has the potential to get better as the game goes on.

We met in a strange period of my life

I think the ending would be better if they were both equally inconclusive.
I picked Bae (And would every time), but just think out how people would have reacted if the Bay ending gave no closure as well. You hear the gunshot and game ends.
Then at least nobody can claim one ending was "right because it was longer" and everyone has the same wishes that they got to see more.
Or they could have not been dicks and fleshed out both endings equally or possibly wrote endings that made sense

youtube.com/watch?v=njmkPRFvJx0

There is simply no way to write an ending that 'makes sense' in a time travel story because time travel itself fundamentally doesn't make sense
At best you could go for a trippy ending (like HG Wells' The Time Machine) or a happily ever after ending (what bae could have been)

A piece of science fiction should work on its own established set rules though. Even if it doesn't 'make sense' in reality, you can definitely write a time travel story that is logical and satisfying.
If your time travel is capable of altering the future, you should decide whether it's creating multiple parallel timelines, or just overwriting the current one. You should decide the constraints of the power.
If you're adding in a butterfly effect scenario, where an initial change produces a significant consequence later in the story (ie Chloe surviving the bathroom scene -> the tornado), that consequence should damn well make sense. If you're using that to force your character into a miserable corner, it should be clear that there are no other options, and /why/ there are no other options.

For the story to make sense it would just have to be consistent. Which it was not.
Changing a few details makes the story all line up.
>Make Max's first use of the power to save Chloe
>Do not make the first use of the power also move Max (Something it never does again, but that's the most logical point where the storm is created) make it a regular rewind where Max realizes she just reversed time and can save the girl in trouble.
>This also makes it so she only has the one butterfly photo and not a copy she retook.
>In the alt timeline, get rid of all the weird weather and nature stuff. Suggesting that a timeline where Max does not have powers isn't facing some kind of disaster.
It makes it obvious where the ending is headed, but it's at least honest and not fooling the player into believing one set of rules and then saying "nah, it actually works this way".
That said, I would still choose to save Chloe.

As is, because of how things were shown, Max cannot be blamed for the storm or even confirmed to being tied to it.

And what prevents a writer from creating a plausible ending to a time travel story besides the limits of her or his own imagination?

>Do not make the first use of the power also move Max (Something it never does again
This bothered me most in relation to the 'prove your powers to Chloe' section
Chloe has you go through a convoluted set of trials, including the downright pointless shooting exercise (time travel wouldn't help her aim when her hand is constantly slightly moving), when you could simply 'teleport' right in front of her eyes or teleport through a locked door (like you do with the principal's office) to prove yourself.
The only psuedo-justification I can think of is that moving around during a rewind slightly changes your past leading up to that moment, such that an outside observer saw you dash over to the new location or just forgets you were in a different place at all.

>We will never see these two ever again

why even live...

Anyone who complains about how time travel is explained and dealt with in LiS needs to watch any Steven Moffat episode of Doctor Who and then you'll understand how much worse it could have been.

I actually like DW but that's for another general

The fact that we have no evidence of how time travel operates on any level whatsoever. Can you shoot your grandfather? We have no idea.
At best an author is making blind conjectures, like a deaf man describing music.

Max should've waited a year. Maybe the real ep5 will come out in October 2015?

I didn't look that much into it. Chloe believed Max by the time they left the diner. The shooting stuff was just Chloe having a limited supply of bullets to play with and wanting to maximize them. There really wasn't any testing purpose there (And Chloe, as much as Max and I love you; fuck that finding bottles stuff).
And I do wish Max used her power like that at least once to get the jump on someone or avoid detection. Same for her trying to rewind/photojump with Chloe.

>downright pointless shooting exercise
Chloe wanted to practice with the gun. She tells Max she only knows how to use it from watching youtube videos. She also sees it as training for Max's new powers. Even if she's reckless, she has her reasons for things.

I think Max's space-hopping doesn't usually register with observers, else a lot of the game falls apart. Chloe only recognizes it because she's focused on what Max is doing, and knows about the power, and on the occasions where she picks up on it Max does it purposefully to impress her.
I don't think the 'guess what's in your pockets' thing was that convoluted. Plus it was a bit of an homage to the similar diner/power show off scene in Groundhog Day.

How could anyone ever bully her?

There are various proposed solutions to the paradox, none can truly be tested so for the time being they remain nonscientific claims (despite what clickbait articles might claim)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
Here's another

>Plus it was a bit of an homage to the similar diner/power show off scene in Groundhog Day.
Yeah, this one.
youtube.com/watch?v=6VF5P7qLaEQ
A lot of the slightly weird choices dontnod made are just because they wanted to shoehorn in a reference to something else.

It's unfortunate that some bullies don't know how to properly express their love.

She's an easy target due to her faith and the circumstances of being drugged at the Vortex Club party.

She comes off as a hypocrite to everyone who didn't know the full details.

People who are not secure with their own beliefs and feel like someone not joining in their hedonism is automatically belittling/challenging them. Victoria, Taylor, and others say that Kate deserved it for not following what she preached. Even though she wasn't preaching about her beliefs being better than anyone else's.

I admit that initially I did think she was just being hypocritical, but that went away as soon as I heard her story about having only one drink and the stuff about the "hospital".
Then when you put that together with Chloe's story about Nathan drugging her, it becomes clear something happened to Kate.
That also made me think something was going on with Warren when he was acting weird after supposedly only one drink at the party in Ep 4. But that never went anywhere.

Depends on what you define by "makes sense".
If you want peer review, well, you're not gonna get that, but basing a story on hypotheses is at least better than reaching for the first cliched trope of pop science fiction.

>you are now aware that between the time Rachel distanced herself from Chloe, eventually disappeared, and Max came back into her life, Chloe probably spent many cold nights getting high and going to strip clubs because she was lonely and needed companionship if only for the night

Isn't Arcadia Bay kind of a small town to have any strip clubs?

Fuck off, All Wounds guy.

She can go out of town user.

In that scene, Chloe was talking about Portland.

I want to sexually bully her and tell her I'll protect her.

No. She probably spent them looking for Rachel, putting up posters, contemplating calling/ visiting Max, or just going for drives to get away and find a calm area.

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The important thing is that neither Chloe nor Max will have to spend another night alone, longing, confused, or scared.
Those five years are over and have been made up for. Now all there is a future of healing and thriving together.

I like to think that road trip to Portland eventually happened.

Stop

REWIND THIS

Jefferson spotted

bless this thread

>bee
>honey

Is this an extension of the weird Chloe/Honey Russian memes?

Yep, searching for her missing crush and longing for an old friend, loyalty and trust and closeness, she went to strip clubs.

...Do you feel lonely and long for companionship sometimes? And do you go to strip clubs because of it?

Can people stop projecting their ridiculous jerk-off phantasies onto this game and its characters already. What is it with people that need to make everything about about sex, even a story about young, emotionally troubled characters like these.

That said, we know that she did go to a bar at least once, likely more; probably to drink and forget about everything. She met Nathan in one after all. Maybe she even searched for human "connection" in one way or another, if only after a few drinks. But she already did have a "wilder" phase at 15/16, so she knows stuff like that doesn't give her anything. Knows she wants meaningful relationships with people. I mean, she harbored a crush on Rachel for years, that shows how romantically fragile she really is once feelings are involved, and how careful. Same can be seen with Max.

its old forced meme about all girls. But Chloe has more progress.

I want to hug Max.

You're crazy if you don't think Chloe ever visited a strip club. I'm sure she's done way seedier things than that considering she does drugs and hangs out with people like Frank. Besides, she's the one who brought up going to a strip club and she sounded fairly serious about the possibility.

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She brought that up jokingly. You know, like she brings up ruling the world jokingly and stuff. Precisely because they are ridiculous.

I'm not saying she could never visit a strip club. I'm saying the idea that she went there regularly to hook up with people when she was searching for the girl who she thought she was in love with (and hurting with the idea that all her relationships with people meant nothing), is ridiculous.

And I did mention her wilder phase. She's already over it, as she says herself and as is entirely consistent with her character, emotionally "right".

Frank was an ok enough guy. Smoking weed does not mean it is likely you regularly jumble it up with strip club chics or do "way seedier things" either.

There's so much that could be thought and written about with these characters - you could write a whole emotionally compelling story about what Chloe did in those 6 months. Or she just procrastinated them away - not so hard at all. Why go to "strip clubs" with it?

>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
instaud.io/kVV

>eat your own foot
instaud.io/kWb

Chloe wants to kiss Max.

SFM user here. Made a new render.

>Can people stop projecting their ridiculous jerk-off phantasies onto this game and its characters already. What is it with people that need to make everything about about sex, even a story about young, emotionally troubled characters like these.
/v/ and underageb&, not exactly a mystery

Lol. stop it

We know that feel, user.

At least I do. Don't worry.

>She brought that up jokingly. You know, like she brings up ruling the world jokingly and stuff.
Yeah, sure. The only reason she was joking about it is because she knows Max would never go for it, but she would do it in a heartbeat.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Chloe tends to "joke" about stuff that she actually wants to do lot. Like getting Max to kiss her, Max making a move on her, etc. And what's so wrong with going to a strip club anyway? Is that really worse than drinking, doing drugs and living in squalor like she does? Has this thread really turned into some kind of prudish Kate hivemind? I was just joking around, and I wasn't even implying what you're trying to say. I specifically said "in between Rachel distancing herself from Chloe and disappearing" because I knew some white knight like you would probably appear, afraid that someone is painting angelic Chloe in a less-than-positive light.

Face it, Chloe is the definition of an edgy person. She has probably done a lot of things that might make her unlikable if taken at face value... but that's what makes her so great. She's broken, totally imperfect with habits that would probably drive every one of us (and yes, even Max) crazy. But somehow she has enough redeeming qualities to make them not only tolerable, but make us love her for them.

>What is it with people that need to make everything about about sex, even a story about young, emotionally troubled characters like these.

>young
>beautiful
>autistic

It's hard to resist not thinking that way about them

Max has her own style!
I like the red flannel but sometimes the Michel in me makes me think it's Chloe dressing her gf to look like Rachel.

nice pic though, grass and sky make a comfy mood

It really isn't

Good job, I always like seeing new cute renders and stuff. Keep up the good work.

Saved.

Any story behind this one? Rachel Amber costume says this was part of their post car-meltdown making-up, Chloe apologizing and bringing her somewhere nice.

f2p Episiode 1 is Michel's latest master trick.

>but she would do it in a heartbeat
Yeah, sure.

>painting angelic Chloe in a less-than-positive light
I meantioned her wilder phase. Do you read at all?

I wasn't even talking about Chloe so much as your non-canonically supported phantasies that you project onto the game because you are 16. Wait, "joking around"? Maybe 14, then.

You were implying she went to strip clubs many times and hooked up with people. I wasn't talking about "worse", I am talking about your phantasies being phantasies and wondering why you have them. An untidy room, a beer and joint, do not mean you fuck around. That is entirely inconsistent with her character. She is not an edgy punk slut, how character-blind can you be.

Max is beautiful

Thanks user.

Thank you. I should up my rendering game.

>Any story behind this one?

I wanted to get Chloe's truck behind them so it would look like they are walking onto the woods after a road trip, but there is no SFM model from the game to work with.

Also, thanks.

Where exactly did I imply that she hooked up with anyone? Who is having "phantasies" (whatever that means) now? Not everyone who goes to a strip club and gets a lap dance ends up fucking the chick at the end of the night.

Excuse me for making conversation. I guess you'd rather I post "Kate is #1" or "Best girl" memes over and over for the 407th time.

Chloe thinks so too.

I think it's perfectly plausible that Chloe might go to stripclubs after Rachel vanished. I don't think that's projecting "jerk-off phantasies" onto her, and I really think it'd be a pretty human reaction for someone like Chloe, who's naturally a ruler breaker, isn't that good at dealing with loss, etc.

And don't forget that this is the same girl who suddenly was furious at Rachel when she found out she hooked up with Frank. With the abandonment issues she has, I have no doubt that she probably had anger towards Rachel at first, thinking that she may have just abandoned her like everyone else she has ever cared about. And that wouldn't even be her fault, I think in her situation that would be a fairly natural reaction to have even if it were misguided.

It's also the same Chloe that thought for some reason it would be a good idea to try to extort money from Nathan. She isn't exactly a vision of morality.

You are excused for "making conversation" about something as ridiculous as that instead of about something actually interesting, thought-provoking, characterally and narratively authentic.

You said she went there for companionship, "if only for the night". It doesn't matter whether they actually ended up fucking. You have this phantasy (imagination in your mind) that Chloe went out to see and seek the companionship of half-naked and naked women in a place specifically made for sexual-typical interactions. And you said it is even likely she did way seedier things, too.

You explicitly made it about sex for no reason whatsoever, tried to justify it with the ridiculius notion that drinking, smoking weed, having an untidy room or hanging around guys like Frank (who she says herself she never had sex with - "gross, dude!") makes her someone that would casually go around to strip clubs and seedier things. When we see that Chloe is actually shy and careful when it comes to romance. She couldn't look at Max undress herself without blushing and averting her gaze, but she regularly went for ass-in-your-face lap dances?

She is portrayed as someone that is not edgy, but troubled and seeking for true connection, for comfort and loyalty, meaningful relationships and comfort. She is not a hard-ass drinking butch lesbian. She is incredibly fragile and vulnerable. Even her wilder phase likely just being a desperate search for closeness, which she evidently quickly dropped for obvious reasons. Again, harboring a crush for years on Rachel, being incredibly bashful in her romantic interest in Max.

>You have this phantasy (imagination in your mind) that Chloe went out to see and seek the companionship of half-naked and naked women in a place specifically made for sexual-typical interactions.
Oh boy, you are projecting really hard here right now.

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Password is wowsers

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So, you think you are in love with someone. (Yet too emotionally vulnerable to actively act upon it.) And this someone made you realize that you don't want platonic relationship, to whatever degree her "boy toy phase among other things" was that (unlikely she even had sex with all of them; at 15/16 make-out sessions are often the peak sexual experiences).

Now this someone goes missing and you are desperately searching for them. ...But you go to stripclubs and seek the platonically sexual companionship of other people? That is perfectly plausible?

I'm not saying Chloe is "pure". And I might be projecting my own inclinations onto her too much myself, but it is 1. glaringly obvious to me that Chloe would have not done that and 2. perplexing to me that you would go there with your thoughts, or at least that you'd bring it up here - "jokingly" or otherwise. And simply ridiculous that you'd argue she is the definition of an edgy person and would be going to strip clubs regularly and do seedier stuff.

That's the real tumblr phantasy if anything. This hardcore, tongue-between-fingers, don't-give-a-fuck lesbian gigolo; tats and 'tude.

Well, I think her "edgier" side is emotionally very well-established and understandable, and stuff like strip clubs and "way seedier things" emotionally not fitting for her.

I might be wrong in my vehemence on that point, but I think I'm definitely right that there's better things to think and talk about, that would be more interesting and give more worthwhile insight into her character. ...And certainly better things to joke around about.

I don't know if this is a meme or something, but since you've done it multiple times, I feel like I should point out the word is 'fantasy'/'fantasies'. There isn't a 'ph'

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Someone ought to SFM the Bioshock Infinite ending but with Jefferson and the girls

You mean Jefferson getting drowned?

Yes, that part. The pic reminded me of it
Though I guess it would be closer if it was various Chloes or Maxes from different timelines

butch pls

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Good job! I have to agree with though, the red flannel specifically makes me think of Rachel. And while it was one thing to just wear her clothes because she was missing, it's kind of another to do so once you know the truth.
I'm fine with Max wearing any other color flannel (If she wants to) but red should stay for Rachel.

She is emotionally troubled and pretty reckless (and stupid) in her coping and resulting behaviour because she really is still a child. That often-mentioned growth chart on her wall - it's discontinued to symbolically show that Chloe stopped growing in certain regards. She has her inner child at center - vulnerable and hurt, longing for trust and healing and closeness and carelessness - and she protects this child with her harder "edgier" outter shell that people often mistakenly make out to be her actual personality. When it is merely a persona - one that she drops around Max so obviously that you'd have to be blind to think she's this hardcore punk chic. Even Rachel was more distraction and childish dreams for her, her own F-antasies about a future where it could be alright, where she could actually become this persona. But she also realized with Rachel that she wants to have a better life. According to herself realized that she doesn't want to recklessly fuck around (literally and figuratively). And with Max, it all ultimately comes through: she doesn't want to blow Arcadia up or simply run away, she confronts the things she's afraid of and grows, heals. She realizes that Rachel was not her "angel", her idea about running away futile; naive and childish. With Max she overcomes that, sees who she is, what is important to her. "In My Mind" capturing this narrative theme.

Anyway, between all that, I don't see this "Many a night spend in Strip-Clubs"-Chloe. I'm not making her out to be angel; shabby concerts, sloppy kisses, even sex? Narrative intention seems to be that she had some of that. And strip clubs are not this impossibly seedy thing. It just doesn't seem reasonable to me in the context of her character and her life at that point, especially since she already went through wilder phases and already realized she doesn't want that at all.

>That's the real tumblr phantasy if anything. This hardcore, tongue-between-fingers, don't-give-a-fuck lesbian gigolo; tats and 'tude.
Dude, when did I say Chloe was a lesbian? When did I even say she was going to a strip club to get with women?

And again, how many times do I have to say I specifically noted that this was BEFORE Rachel went missing and when she was pissed that she was getting with Frank/Mr. Jefferson/Whoever else was her flavor of the week. Not that it even matters, because it was tongue-in-cheek and meant to sound sad, if anything. I can't believe this is even a discussion.

You are taking this way too seriously. If your plan was to make me genuinely regret making that comment your mission is complete. I didn't intend on setting off someone on an autistic tirade over it, that's for sure. Maybe trolling is my real calling in life.