I wanna get a "sporty" light car, is there a better alternative than the ep3 civic ? I know i could get a FiST or a FoST, but they are close to 20k and i'm not sure i can afford it since i'm moving out in the next year. I'm looking for a car that's cheap to own, low fuel cost and fun all-around.
Pic related, im looking to get this one, it's 9k and it has 130k km on the clock
>I wanna get a "sporty" light car >hatchback Please stop contributing to this meme
Alexander Howard
Fuck off ameritard.
Jackson Lopez
Just get a RSX Type S, same thing but better in everyway. Bonus is you don't own a Civic.
Matthew Watson
>toyota >sporty
Joshua Watson
I don't like them, that's why im looking at the ep3 instead of this. Im also looking at civic si 2006 and upward
Jacob Mitchell
They're pretty fun, well rounded cars.
Eli Reed
E C O B O O S T C O B O O S T
Lincoln Davis
fuck off with your dirty 9th gen
Isaiah Phillips
...
Blake Rivera
not your blog
Jeremiah Torres
>he bought the worst year civic
Logan Hill
fuq u my shit is clean
Elijah James
For 9k you could easily buy a turbo/super charged ep3, or even k20a2/z1 swapped one
Eli Rogers
>he judges how good a car is by its stock sway bars
Liam Peterson
>"it's fwd"
Eli Bell
>"it's an automatic"
Charles Price
>he bought the best looking civic ftfy
Nolan Morgan
>and then he said it was fast
Alexander Wilson
>and then he said "i bought a honda"
Logan Edwards
I'm not buying anything charged/swapped, i don't wanna buy a lemon.
They are double the price thought
Gabriel Lee
>and then he said it makes less than 300 hp
Kevin Campbell
Itt salty Toyota fags spamming
Asher Hall
>his car takes longer than 5 seconds to reach 60
Kevin Martin
>and then he said "i bought a toyota"
Nicholas Gomez
>"He then mumbled, 'it's FWD s-so it handles well'" >"FWD!"
Asher Morris
>Assmad nissan fanboi btfo!
Julian Miller
More like GM/Ferd shitposters
I'm surprised they can stop fucking their cousins long enough to reply
Liam Morgan
>his car takes longer than 7:35 seconds to lap the ring
Adam King
>and then he said his car takes longer than 150 ms to shift >he actually bought a manual
Cameron Davis
Ignoring all the baitposting in this thread, you could do worse than an EP3 Civic, I had a friend in college with one and while he riced the fuck out of it, it was still pretty fun car to drive around in with minimal mods.
You could probably do better than 9k for it with that kind of milage, but if it's been looked after it's probably going to last a couple hundred thousand more
Asher Perez
>his "luxury" car doesn't have an automatic
Dylan Lee
>He bought a HYUNDAI Genesis
Wyatt Mitchell
>and then he said "it's luxurious"
Jaxson Campbell
It's not miles thought, that's why its interesting, it's not stock either, there is a stock one 2k lower but it's much less nice.
David Clark
>his car weighs more than 3000 lbs
Grayson Morgan
Just remember mods don't always add value, sometimes they should be subtracting it.
Adam Ward
DC Sports full Race header Magnaflow full Catback Exhaust Magnaflow Muffler Injen Cold Air Intake SP1576 Injen Hyderoshield Pre-Filter
Suspension:
RSX Type S A-Spec 5 Lugs conversion RSX Type S A-Spec Full Suspension kit RSX Type S A-Spec Front Control Arms JDM DC5 ITR Axleshafts JDM DC5 ITR Front sub frame brace JDM DC5 ITR rear strut bar gussets Progress Front 27MM Sway bar Progress Rear 24MM Sway bar 2 hole adjustment Progress Rear Brace Assembly Hotchkis Adjustable Front End links Hotchkis Adjustable Rear End links RSX TYPE S A-Spec Tie Rod ends Energy Suspension complete polyurethane bushing kit, every single bushing has been changed Ingalls front & rear camber arms
Brakes:
RSX Type S A-Spec Front Calipers (New) RSX Type S A-Spec Front pads and rotors (New) RSX Type S A-Spec Rear Calipers (New) RSX Type S A-Spec Rear Pads and Rotors (New) RSX Type S A-Spec brake master cylinder RSX Type S A-Spec proportioning valve RSX Type S A-Spec brake booster Russell SS front and rear brake lines (New)
WHEELS & TIRES:
JDM EP3 Type R Wheels JDM EP3 Type R Center Caps (New) Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 225/40R17 Performance Tires (New)
EXTERIOR:
HFP EP3 Front Bumper and Lip HFP EP3 Rear bumper and Lip HFP Side skirts HFP Spoiler JDM EP3 Type R Projector Headlight (HID) JDM EP3 Type R Tail lights (not installed) JDM EP3 Type R Headlight Level Adjustment Switch JDM DC5 ITR Side markers JDM EP3 Type R Front and rear red "H" badges PasswordJDM Red Tow hook front and rear (Front not installed)
INTERIOR:
JDM Euro R RECARO Premium seats (same as EP3 Type seats) JDM EP3 Type R Recaro Rails JDM EP3 LHD red & black Floor mats JDM EP3 Type R center console JDM EP3 Type R shift boot JDM EP3 Spoon shift knob JDM EP3 Key Fob (Key is cut and programed) HFP Carbon fiber Dash kit
I think it isn't so bad. Also this is why i'm also looking for the stock one at 7,5k
Ethan James
>doesn't have the JDM cigarette lighter >doesn't have the JDM cupholder >doesn't have the JDM ashtray Fucking trash.
Elijah Bell
ikr, but look at the stock one, kinda less interesting isn't it?
>better alternative than the ep3 civic Not taking BBC up your boipussy
Chase King
>Honda
Easton Kelly
$7500 is a fucking ripoff for a EP3 Si unless it's pretty much a full CTR conversion.
You could find a 80-100k mile 06-11 Civic Si that's a all around better car. Alternatively, Cobalt/HURR SS Turbos. Maybe a WRX if you find one that's somehow still stock after 10-15 years.
Michael Lee
Well it is the canadian market, so it sucked for everything. Also i wont be touching an wrx with anything else than a 20 foot long pole. Might as well keep my is300
Austin Hughes
Ep3 has a better more rigid chassis, ep3 type Rs are faster than dc5rs
Mason Ross
Import a Type R Honda then or just come to terms that you won't find anything decent within your budget and should save a couple thousand more.
2008.5+ TSI MKV GTIs are pretty decent too. Look at those
Levi Smith
Get an insurance quote on any Civic you look at. Most cars will be cheaper to insure, so you'll have extra money for a more expensive car, or mods. Any non-EP3 Si will also require premium, so factor that into your budget too.
Liam Allen
What's your budget? Will it just be a daily? How important is safety to you? Do you drive in snow? Do you ever have passengers?
Benjamin Garcia
I had an 2004 EP3 for awhile.
Great car: Great on gas, looks nice, very practical, pretty good aftermarket support.
Only downside is the K20A3. It is quite possibly the worst K-series motor Honda offers. If you can find a swapped car that was done right, jump on it. Even swapping the A2 head (don't forget the oil-pump), and a K-pro will make the car great. Check out an CR-V K24A1 block (I believe those are the ones with the oil squirters).
Also, one thing you absolutely must address first, before all other mods. Shifting bushings. The placement of the shifter is pretty neat, but the bushings in there make 1-2 shifts horrible. Get solid aluminum bushings to replace the rubber, and enjoy much better shifting.
After that, get a CTR or Mugen spoiler. I don't know why they gave that spoiler to the US market, it looks absolutely retarded.
Great car otherwise, just needs shifter bushings and a spoiler.
Charles Wood
Search your heart. You know it to be true.
Mason Roberts
RSX Type-S
Alexander Martinez
Yeah, the EM1 Si
But if I had to get an EP3 I would take some serious consideration into what was saying about the head swap considering it would be the cheapest route to go to get more power, or go K24A2 Bottom with a K20A2 head and some bolt on and get ~300whp
Liam Collins
MR2 spyder
2195lbs, like 140hp stock. if youve ever driven a midengine car I recommend going on a test drive. awesome chassis. theyre fairly cheap too
pic mostly unrelated
Anthony Collins
Celica GT-S, or (checked). Cheaper, so you can spring for the TRD supercharger right away. Be faster than most EP3s out there, plus you have a 6-speed.
Wyatt Jackson
2007+ Sentra SE-R Spec V. Same power as a contemporary Civic Si, but usually much cheaper. LSD, 6sp, red seatbelts to pull in mad pussy, etc.
Landon Wilson
just looked up your ep3, 2600-2700lbs 160hp.
mr2 spyder is looking mighty fine.
Brody Davis
I want an mr2 with a 2zz swap as my next car.
Thomas Phillips
except the mr2 is inferior when you actually drive it
Caleb Young
>wanting a toyota engine the only true swap is a k20/k24 swap
Juan Wright
im in the same boat, last few days iv been researching the 1zz and 2zz, specifically the vvtLi 2zz head is impressive as fuck.
the 2zz seems to have a lot of oil pump issues, people are fixing that by making a hybrid 1zzblock 2zz head.
Evan Sanders
the honda shills are mad we arnt talking about their over hyped decent econo boxes. pic related
if for no other reason op, leave the honda scene and go ENJOY CARS.
Parker Mitchell
The 2zz swap is a simple drop in. I haven't had any issues with my 2zz.
Gabriel Gomez
Just get a BRZ/FRS and be done with it.
Joseph Gutierrez
and yet the number one swap for a MRS is still k20
Adrian Martinez
Except it's not, for the very reason that's the 2zz is the easiest way to add power to an mr2.
Dominic Flores
Better than an ep3 civic? An eg civic.... >or miata ya hairdresser
Hunter Robinson
That wasnt meant towards stock engines, and this is 100% forum and wiki knowledge. supposedly they destroy the fuck out of oil pumps often when tuned up. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2zzge_oil_pump_lobes.jpg
link to wiki image of the pump
Anthony Butler
I agree the current fastest mr2 spyder has a k series swap. Op is looking for a DD with decent power to weight. not a shill that goes fast at the cost of shill shill shill, go fag up a miata thread they're more your level.
OP Get a VW ghia, 1800lbs NO POWER but fun still
Robert Wood
For track use I would replace the oil pan and the oil pump with aftermarket parts.
Ethan Roberts
He could get an sw20 with a 3sgte Just built one of those motors for a celica, its a goddamn monster of a 2.0l Then again maybe he should stay fwd.
Jaxon Brooks
If I could i would totally dry sump it for sure, I would like to on my track 302, would make me feel alot safer.
James Gray
3sge beams was amazing, never got to play with a 3sgte but im sure its fun. very tested and proven motor
Another thought, idk what they go for but. I recently rebuilt the turbo on a friends mazda speed 3, fucking fantastic car. mild mods (theyre not cheap) and you can get 350+ wheel hp. and one guy has done 11.4 on mickey thompsons with a stock engine and turbo, just bolt on mods and tune.
Kayden Myers
t.someone who has never driven an ep3
Blake Cooper
Toyota engines are shit. Everyone realizes this that's why the kswap them. Hell even miatas kswap
Evan Barnes
Since we're talking about MR2s here, any of you know anything about making an AW11 fast? Not stupid fast just low 13s in the 1/4mi and fitted with sticky tires and stiff adjustable suspension fast. I am specifically interested in whether the transmission and axles can handle the ~250whp that would be necessary to get to that point.
Josiah Cook
3sgte guy here I used to work for mazda, the speed3 is a fun car but the maintenance is not worth in my opinion, they are also fairly heavy for their class of vehicle and things break trying to make 350+ Also understeer pigs
Oliver Flores
That's a big get.
>for youuuu
Jaxon Young
Miatas also SR20DET swap. And N54 swap. And...
Bentley Phillips
Idk about the aw11 trans, i know for sure the 3s trans is bulletproof Honestly you dont need more than 210ish in an mr2 Power isnt an excuse for poor driving
Adrian Walker
It would probably be very expensive.
Ian Lopez
Under-steer and torque steer were real on the test drives yeah lol.
If you have a 4age, the sky is the limit they can make great power but your gonna put a ton into building it. I would look into swapping a newer motor personally. but if you like the 4age (no reason not to) I would look at turbo kits and head work.
Kevin Gutierrez
Why is that?
>If you have a 4age, the sky is the limit they can make great power but your gonna put a ton into building it. I don't think so. It can make that kind of power with a small turbo and upgraded internals, no big deal. I do my own fab work and tuning so I wouldn't need to spend twice as much as necessary by buying a turbo kit. Head work would probably be the most expensive bit.
Jace Ramirez
Definitely a 20V swap and then turbo it, I've seen a lot of blacktop builds but a silvertop is only >5hp less >revs a slight bit lower >has stronger con-rods >has bigger combustion chambers >can get port & polish unlike blacktop heads >is cheaper The trans will mount in an AW11, and it is strong enough for the job
Henry Walker
Doesn't look like that's a very hard swap after a quick look at google results. I'll read more about it. Honestly 250whp is the max I'd be looking for here, as long as I can get into the low 13s in the 1/4 mile that's plenty fast for my tastes, and with a 2,400lb car that won't take much power, I already have my 2,600lb car in the 12s with less than 300whp.
Lucas Rivera
Sounds like you've never driven one
Elijah Torres
I miss being in the 12's now im stuck in 15+ 2004 gti >forge motorsports piping + frontmount >modified billy boat 3" turboback >street tuned by me >made 350 to the wheels at 32 psi >stock internals ,ko3 turbo >12.3 at 110mph also this car was an inch or so off the ground, broke my oilpan countless times and ate my fenders up 2wice
Wyatt Sanchez
that's from Quebec OP? I just saw the same one on kijiji. from laval
Oliver Nelson
Or he doesnt know how to drive fast. The mr2 is a weapon of mass hurt feelings in the right hands
Tyler Turner
Yes it is.
Luke Sanchez
The high redline is all it has going for it, it's still a fucking Corolla
Adam Barnes
And?
Christopher Moore
An economy various that makes weed waker noises isn't fun, put that engine in an MR2 Spyder and now you're talking
Kayden Reyes
Meh, it's fun for me.
Connor Howard
sounds like you've never driven one
Zachary Evans
>350whp >3,000lbs >12.3 @110 kek >so low it broke the oil pan and fenders oh that's why, stancefag.
Eli Carter
Is the Matrix XRS any good either? Same 2zz right?
Ayden Phillips
>arguing over which weed wacker engine is better Why not just buy a Fiero and stuff it full of V8?