I'm going to go on record right here and right now: if you design a vehicle with an automatic transmission the shifter belongs on the steering column, NOT the console.
There's absolutely no reason to put an automatic shifter in the center console. It just takes up a whole bunch of space for a lever that the average driver touches at most 3 times during their drive.
"B-but what about manual shifting modes?" I hear you sniveling. "It lets me pretend I have a manual, and I can't do that if it's on the column!" Shifter paddles or buy a fucking manual transmission you limp-dick candyass.
i agree with you op. plus a shifter on the column will prevent people from mistaking their D for R to prevent them from crashing into cars in parking lots and businesses.
Landon Thompson
Car comes with manual as standard. Why go to the effort of changing the interior for the auto?
Cameron Smith
Or just put it on the touchscreen.
Lucas Green
>designing a different console for automatic and manual transmission
It's for ease of manufacturing you prissy little bitch.
Nathaniel Barnes
>tripfag >autism thread
no surprises here
Jaxon Jenkins
What about the large number of vehicles that don't even have a manual option yet have console shifters? Like the new Jeep Grand Cherokee
Grayson Long
Well that's just pathetic. Might as well call it the Jeep Grand Shopping Mall.
Cameron Garcia
werent these types of shifters recalled because people mistook there car being in R or D and started crashing into shit? you know, because they are fucking stupid?
Samuel Gonzalez
>wanting a manual in an off-road vehicle
spotted the guy with the mall crawler
Thomas Lee
manual 4x4 is the best combination ever. wew lad
Easton Jenkins
>shifter paddles No. I'll keep pretending I have a manual. ;_;
Nathaniel Young
Go ahead, crawl with a manual.
Guess how I know you don't own a manual 4x4, nor have you ever driven off road.
Brody Adams
maybe if you've never been beyond smooth dirt roads
Isaac Torres
Recalled for being a huge pile of stupid shit.
Logan Smith
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Jason Hernandez
>Go ahead, crawl with a manual. you would crawl in an automatic too if you were in 4LO fucking sperg. your right i dont own a manual 4x4. but i have driven off road in my buddies nissan 1986 1/2 hard body, manual 4x4 and it was the most amazing thing ever. the terrain i was in was large boulders mud, deep sand and large sand dunes.
i have been mudding you cuckold
Isaac Sanchez
Mad detected.
Auto is better for crawling and general off road because of the smooth throttle delivery and non violent shifts.
Samuel Morris
I don't think you understand my point. You can't easily crawl with a manual trans. Try climbing any kind of obstacle with precision and your clutch life goes out the window. Goodbye clutch.
If you think "mudding" is offroading, I really hope you find another hobby, because redneck tire spinning shit isn't offroading as much as it is degeneracy.
also, a family sedan can go over sand dunes, you odn't need a super special offroad masterpiece to climb a dune.
Bentley Carter
Not that guy, but clutch driven 4x4s are only inferior if you do to know how to operate one. Autos are good for loading up from a standstill, and that's it.
Matthew Morgan
They're inferior in service life as well. There is no way to have a clutch that lasts as long as an auto will doing the same low-speed crawling and maneuvering.
Michael Rodriguez
>goodbye clutch Sounds like you shouldn't/haven't driven a manual 4x4 offroad. If you're riding the clutch to traverse an obstacle, three pedals is too many for you. >inb4 armchair off-roaders posting rock crawling buggies
Brayden Bennett
>I've only ever had vehicles with granny gears
Joshua Martinez
Only if you don't know how to operate a clutch, or was fitted with an inadequate drivetrain in the first place. >mah anecdotes I've owned more than one frequently used 4x4 with more than 200k miles on the original clutch.
Asher Gonzalez
>implying i give a damn about smooth throttle delivery >non violent shifts subjective if you cant drive stick off road >You can't easily crawl with a manual trans. Try climbing any kind of obstacle with precision and your clutch life goes out the window. Goodbye clutch. this is subjective. if you can drive stick off road.
>If you think "mudding" is offroading, I really hope you find another hobby, because redneck tire spinning shit isn't offroading as much as it is degeneracy.
while true i have stated in my previous post i have actually been offroading
>a family sedan can go over sand dunes, you odn't need a super special offroad masterpiece to climb a dune.
go to comanche lake resort in ione california. then try to drive through sand in a sedan. my friend brought his civic out there and it was stuck immediatley
Lucas Wilson
Civics aren't 4x4.
Kayden Allen
Yup
Luke Cook
no shit.
Colton Flores
Never even had an offroad vehicle asides from a dirt bike, but I can imagine you're fucked when you get stuck and the auto won't want to get in the right gear.
Joseph Jackson
So like Mercedes
Jonathan Long
That's why the shifter has "D" "2" and "1". Also automatic doesn't have a pause of power output when it shifts, unlike a manual- so they do better in mud and rocky slopes.
Camden Lee
You can't use the throttle or shift smoothly with a manual? Not that hard bro
Michael Davis
I guess the prius has it all figured out
Samuel Sullivan
No absolutely not. Column shifter absolute suck money dick when you have to tow cars that won't shift. Console over ride for my convienence when towing your hoopty POS.
Landon Hughes
You're doing God's work, OP.
Nolan Anderson
whats with all these pussy ass psuedo offroaders using auto? Wft?
Has Veeky Forums became vagina central?
Nathan Richardson
It's a little hard when you're literally going at a snails pace up a rock.
Christopher Lee
Don't take this the wrong way user, but have you considered suicide?
OP was right, you're a limp-dick candyass.
Adrian Russell
That's what dollies are for, towbro. Stop being a lazy cunt.
Evan Gray
>pause of power between shifts You either drive the quickest shifting auto ever, or you just can't drive manual correctly
Even with a stock T case, you shouldn't be slipping the clutch at all in 4 low. Automatics are shit for crawling, and equally shit for mud due to the fact that you can't rock back and forth with an automatic.
You'd be laughed out of literally any discussion in real life with people that do that kind of shit frequently. Jesus christ.
Blake Nguyen
Oh shit waddup, I live in Valley Springs. I'm at Camanche all the time.
Aiden Powell
>you can't rock back and forth in an automatic well, this person doesn't have a clue what they are on about
Cameron Barnes
ayyy i worked there for 3 days before i quit. lmao
Sebastian Green
is this real fr-s automatic? fuck.... I have 0 respect to automatic gt86s drivers now
>implying merc doesn't put shifter on where the washer controller should be
Jeremiah Richardson
confirmed retarded poster >auto is better because hey! I tap the gas then car does it by itself! you're extremely bad at driving manual
Owen Nguyen
Not too long ago I got my first manual, a 99 Miata, and have been daily driving it since. a couple days ago I had to drive my 2012 ford escape again though, and I was going down the road and instinctively felt the need to shift gears. I put my hand on the shifter and reached for the clutch. except it was an automatic and I slammed on the emergency brake going 60. putting the shifter on the column saves lives anons.
Bentley Wilson
Pretty much this. What I imagine that poster is implying is you can't rock backward and forward with the vehicle's body momentum the same way with an automatic, which they're absolutely correct. Then you wouldn't be shifting anyway. And hunting gears while under such load is a sure way to apply unnecessary wear to the clutchpacks on an auto. If you wouldn't be able to shift smoothly with a manual in such scenario, you should probably have an auto locked in gear anyway.
Matthew Perez
Please go start your automatic (which you clearly own) and shift rapidly between Drive and Reverse while applying throttle.
For science
Angel Gomez
not being retarded and forgetting what the fuck you're driving saves more lives.
Jayden Gutierrez
No. That's just natural selection.
Robert Carter
>that poster is implying you can't rock backward and forward with the vehicle's body momentum the same way with an automatic, which they're absolutely correct.
except they're not correct , automatics have low gear and neutral for a reason
now i know you're retarded that's a good way to destroy any kind of transmission
t. manual and auto owner who has rocked both, ez
Hudson Clark
I agree with you, OP. Console shifters are shit.
Tyler Wood
>automatics have low gear and neutral for a reason Not only you're on a different page, you're in a completely different book.
Kevin Morgan
Yeah, that Star Trek guy who died recently was probably killed by one. Most likely thought he put it in park but left it in neutral.
Lincoln Morgan
you are just a fucking retard
William Smith
What is B?
Justin Morgan
B for "Both" motors?
Julian Sullivan
>being this assmad about his outdated manual transmission design
Daniel Williams
I learned to drive with pic related (ok not a Si, it was a 1.5) and I always thought the shifter placement was an efficient use of space.
Discuss.
Jackson Rivera
Degenerative braking.
Zachary Hill
why not just voice activate the transmission
Joshua Robinson
eww.
Jaxon Howard
You can't possibly be this retarded
Lucas Garcia
>and I can't do that if it's on the column
Nigger never drove three on the tree before. Opinion absolutely fucking discarded.
Brody Bell
It engages the regenerating brakes before you press them to give you that little extra charge.
Noah Thompson
it Dougs
Jack Torres
idiots will always find a way to ruin your day
Nicholas Nelson
I've driven a 3 on the tree before, user. You think they'd do an automatic column shifter in that style just to let people pretend they're manually shifting?
Connor Moore
Maybe because it looks a lot better than having a shitty truck-style column shifter. It looks and feels a lot more sporty.
If you could look past your autism and stop being a retard, you would see that not everyone is physically capable of driving a stick. Having a car with the ability to mimic the feel of driving a stick is great for people who are paralyzed or lost a leg
Elijah Richardson
looks like an erect cock m8
Levi Johnson
it's actually really nice and comfy, you hardly have to move your hand from the steering wheel to shift
Nicholas Butler
I have never, ever driven a car with a column shifter and I don't want to. It would be so bloody awkward.
Joseph Thomas
go find out for yourself
Lucas Perry
No that's just wrong, even for a cable shifter. Honda did it because it's convenient and cheap. But it's just wrong. It's not even optimal spatially, even if you disregard the retarded look of it (which can be a matter of personal preference). I hate when companies experiment with tried and true concepts that don't need reinventing just because it's cheap and convenient to implement for them.
John White
I can already See the days where you have to scroll through cancerous infotainment menus just to put your car into reverse
Eli Hernandez
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Jason Ortiz
>dat ass He ain't gonna play no D.
Isaac Butler
>Simple and cheap >much more complicated then previous gen civics are you fucking retarded cunt?
Parker Howard
I know Veeky Forums loves manuals, but there's nothing quite like the action movie hero feeling of having a column shifter with a huge distance between P and D and pulling it down like a fucking attack plane.
Evan Powell
well if you put it that way..
Lincoln Butler
>column shifter >parking break pedal
Most comfy automatic config desu, so much space
Gavin Hill
Op wants this bullshit
Wtf are you thinking OP
Julian Wood
It gets better. He's from that cancerous sticker thread on here.
Luke Ramirez
why does it matter how you select D? Besides, that idea aint new, it's been around for the past 60 years.
Jace Flores
Arm rest + high gear lever is best combo. Very comfortable.
Bentley Ward
Its comfortable at my side. I have driven both center console and column autos and hated reaching up for the column one. Also, it felt flimsy. I can't imagine it being some little shitty knob you turn. That sounds like it would hold up reel gud 4 sur
Jace Hernandez
Ew fuk me
Disgusting
Mason Sanders
Don't diss it till you've driven one, it's great.
Jonathan Thomas
>Brings cost of car down by having more common pieces between models >Makes it easier to do a manual swap >not awkward to use like column shifter retard tripfag, as usual
Easton Turner
>implying your car even had a manual option in the first place.
welcome to freedomland
Jace Barnes
Stop opening portals to other dimensions
Gavin Young
The automatic shifter in the center console is pointless, but the shifter paddles on the steering wheel for gear-selecting, however, ARE actually incredibly useful. Engine-braking when driving straight down 8,000 feet of elevation is made substantially easier when the gear selector is located right along the steering wheel.
Andrew Morgan
>he can't into clutch control
full pleb
Aiden Lewis
I can't understand that people couldn't comprehend what mode they were in. Tons of other cars had a similar set-up (i.e. a "lever" type pull where the drive mode changes but the shifter returns to original position)
Levi Kelly
Or you could just get a manual with a long-ass throw. Long throws are indescribably fun.
On a related note, why do so many modern manuals seem to offer short throws? I test-drove a manual ND Miata, and there's so little arm movement required to change gears, you can basically shift with your wrist. As fun as the Miata is supposed to be, I can't help but feel that short throws ruin the fun. Unless you're trying to pretend to drive a supercar, in which case you'd be paddle shifting anyways.
Jayden Martinez
>all dat """stuff""" This is the truck that boomers wanted. It's sad that in America you can't even buy a mid-size single cab manual truck in 2016.
Austin Robinson
They're great for training your wifey for the glory hole
Jaxon Cooper
Apparently 'murrican habits are going to drive the console shifter to extinction