Redpill me on the Supra Veeky Forums

Fuckin' suck, man. What kind of wheels are you looking to put on it?

what this guy said, it's one of the best tuner cars. kinda shit stock, but anyone who's ever raced a built one, or driven one knows to show it the respect it deserves.

google smokey nagata and the work he's done on the supra, it's fucking mind bending. One of his cars is 500k plus and has equal stats to modern hypercars, except he built it 15 years ago.

>kinda shit stock

An NA automatic maybe.

left-hand drive even, nice

is it an import?

It gives me chub

like i said one of the biggest problems with them is most were built with automatics.
just like a NSX. who the fuck thought that was a good idea? it was the 90's most sports cars were like that. fuck even in the C5 you had to pay MORE to get the manual.
i dont know, who wants an auto RX7, NSX, or supra? just sounds disgusting

id rather have a R35 honestly that looks molested
that looks like a a turbo lag king.
give me throttle response

Still undecided but i'm considering these bronze volks.

I have a fully built skyline GTR (which is faster than a 35) but i've also driven a 35 and a mate's fully built supra so i guess...

>Compared to the 35, both my cars are way fucking lighter.
>35 gets better launches, followed by the skyline
>Skyline carries absurd speed through the corners
>Supra is not yet modded (i have big plans for it) but my initial impressions are that even in stock form it's very controllable and predictable for a RWD car, which is nice. The weight is also not that noticeable.
>Both skyline and supra are way more fun cause manual

based on my mate's fully built supra, i would say once it's fully built it's on par with the 35 when it comes to traction, stability and putting the power down. (except on immediate launch, the 35 has a slight edge cause computers).

The difference comes in the way you can throw it around a corner if you want to. It makes very, very controllable slides. Fun is the best word for it.

The supra is also really fucking good at cornering, despite everyone thinking it's good just in a straight line. Weight distribution is great and after some carbon fibre, it gets to like 1200kg and is very nice to throw around.

i'm aussie

The thing is, the fully built supras are god-tier.

You can hardly tell the difference between a stock and crazy one, so you gotta be careful not to get cocky.

Know that F&F scene? The supra was famous well before the movie, they actually drew inspiration from similar incidents in japan where the supra tuners would humiliate exotics for fun on the wangan.

Agreed though, auto is not fun at all.

oh hey are you 33 user from straya?
love your gtr build threads

good point. im not sure i will ever be fond of the supra but you sound like a good owner.

i prefer the SW20 especially with a swap

SEH FAWNCEH

youtube.com/watch?v=S5S_iAvnD2g

pretty much like this
youtube.com/watch?v=bkfVnkFzeZk

you know, mod it well and sort it out, get a lot of pride and satisfaction.

I mean, it gets a bad bad fanbase (just like the GTR) mainly from cunts who will never, ever be able to afford a built one.

They are so deluded they think a stock 2jz is going to go to 1000hp with just a bigger turbo (pure dogshit) and you'll see them in youtube pretending the car is invincible.

On the other note, it is an amazing fucking car, it has a lot of great merits, some that people are not aware of (like it's cornering ability) but those never get talked about cause the above dickheads just yammer on about power.

The 2jz block is great, forged internals will get you to 1000hp but the rods begin to start getting unreliable at around 600hp. The engine's great, but it's not magical.

Anyway as i said in my first post, it's a tuner hero. The stock supra is good, it's fun but not amazing.

A heavily worked one though, is an amazing platform and there's a reason you see aventadors and 458's getting walked on youtube like they're nothing to it.

Average car that costs too much money.

Has a heavy pig fat engine that can make big power but weighs a shit load.

Popularised by the fast and furious movies.

good car

This guy is like 16 years old I think.

speedhunters.com/2009/08/car_feature_gt_gt_top_secret_v12_twin_turbo_supra/
youtube.com/watch?v=pJNW_Yt3sJk
youtube.com/watch?v=BACxmVx74OI
youtube.com/watch?v=kUh1OOFintQ
youtube.com/watch?v=nVWjYGxlLzw

Wrong, True, Wrong.

It's not an average car, there's a lot to it.

Furthermore, the car was popular WELL before the movies.
The movies only made it popular to normies, anyone who knew the tuning scene knew what it was.

t. 14 yr old

muh dick

Are you fucking stupid?

He's right, you know.

The supra had a ferocious reputation starting around 94 by my memory in the Japanese tuning scene.
If you were old enough to be part of the scene back then you would know this.
If you were not a child yourself you would not be using "muh age" as some sort of insult as if it's credible and not a logical fallacy.

Someone obviously got beaten by a supra.
What, you get triggered seeing videos of them dominating?

They are a good car, they just are not what they are made out to be.

I blame this on fast and furious children.

I can find videos of civics beating porches and corvettes..

It doesn't mean they are the greatest cars ever made.

yep. the supra scene was way better before the movie.

thing is, it's people who can't afford one shitting it up. They're fucking busriders.

the car's great, but you hardly ever see actual owners acting like cocks with them.

see above.

the supra is a pretty damn good car, it's just the same problem other car communities have with people who don't own one making up bullshit about it.

Young people have had less time to come to their senses and realise how silly the things they say are...

It makes sense.

Good car but not $30,000 good (there's better). Let alone $40-60,000 good like a lot of them go for nowadays.

That problem lies on the faggots in youtube comments who won't ever own one.

Just look, an actual owner in this thread gave his opinion on his and was honest about it's good and bad points. You will almost never see an owner claiming it's the ultimate machine, just that it's pretty damn good, which is true.

The price is overinflated but, for 30k plus an extra 30k of mods you will destroy a 60k retail car. Destroy.

Power comes very cheap in a 2jz.

I'd own one, they are one of my favourite japanese cars but when people get all..

"Hurrr these are the greatest cars ever forumula 1s and v8s should be scared of the 2j because this is the greatest engineered car ever"

It just gets ridiculous and embarrassing.

Is an NA manual one worth getting as a DD? I care more about comfy and looks than performance, got my BMW for real power.

Yep, i mean they are in the upper tier of cars when tuned, but they're not the "best".

And you'll also find a lot of hard work goes into those built cars, something these youtube faggots do not understand.

Great car, atrocious community (most of which is non-owners).

It's not my personal style, but i'll give it the respect it deserves, it's a quality bit of engineering on toyota's part and also amazing the aftermarket support it has.

The NA ones are not "fast" as in you won't win a race, but they are powerful enough to induce slide quite easily and have a lot of fun with.

Depends how cheap you're getting one, but if you like the looks go for it. The only differences between the TT and NA are all things you would replace with aftermarket parts, with the one exception being the engine (they are different internally)

why? just get a acura

These cars are comfy. They were made as a GT more or less so they've got thick leather seats and a good amount of space for the front two occupants.

Ye, want that sexy ass THICC look, NA ones are cheaper and I don't really care for turbos and winning races. If the thing goes a bit sideways with the NA engine, even better.

They don't sell them over here, only hondas and I don't want FWD.

Yep, just what I want, didn't plan on having any family extensions and if things go seriously sour and I do get a kid, I already have a 300C station wagon for that shit.

320 horsepower, 0.95g on the skidpad, 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, a top speed that would reach 180 if it was ungoverned. That's pretty damn good.

>if you were not a child yourself
I'm 27, so no I wasn't following supras since 82.

The reason they are expensive is because of how few of them exist in the US. Maybe you and your smokey nagata porn collection have been weebing out since then but the fact stands that they weren't that popular. The mk1 and mk2 have less aftermarket than a ford escort and the mk3 isn't doing that much better.

>hurr durr you can't afford one
That's usually what people say, but really $40k isn't a whole lot these days. Would I spend it on a 20 year old japanese car that's already getting to the point of being unreliable just from needing parts replacements due to age? No.

They're not the end all be all at this point and most of their features are now outdated.

If you've got $40k to burn there's much better vehicles out there from a collector standpoint and plenty more from a performance standpoint.

They're a poor investment and only worth it to those that absolutely must have one.

>you have one
>but you referred to weight in kgs
You didn't spend the US premium to get it, stop acting pretentious about "affording it".

but that's ugly as shit

Why is it when I say you should just get an 86 instead people call me poor but an 86 costs more than a supra?

Is it because Americans are dumb?

86 costs half of what a supra does in the US.

It really is a pain in the ass to own a car this old.

>276 hp
>3,300 lbs

Those are fucking base model WRX numbers

It literally costs less than a lot of modified civics.

Why do Americans spend money on such crap?

carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Supra-1993/SSE-AD-4051818/?Cr=65

>a car 25 years newer has similar power

Fascinating. Also, the turbo model had 320 horsepower.

>wrx
Another slow car.

It's funny how the USDM car had more power than the JDM car.

Gentlemans agreement

Wow, I didn't realize how rare these were. Just over 4,000 turbo manuals sold in America.

Generally inferior to the RX-7.

...

And yet still better than yet another soulless Toyota...

I don't know how a soulless mazda that spends half of its life broken and the rest in a garage is any better.

Rotary's are only unreliable when the person that owns them have no idea how to maintain them properly.

And the only ones who do know how to maintain them are arcane wizards that would rather not.

じ〜〜〜

Comfy GT car, makes a good drag car, hugely expensive, fairly ugly.

>.but there's that 1% floating around that will rape you a new asshole and you can never tell what's what.
You can say the same about nearly any car. I personally know a person with a 10 second E30, another guy who had a 9 second Volvo 240 wagon, one of the higher ups in the company I work for has a 1,500hp SRT8 Jeep and my old college roommate has a 700whp VR6 swapped S4.

You're literally every meme spouter

You can get a well kept 996 for like $20k

Why not just get a Lexus SC300?

A better example is probably the STI/Evo. Few have their stock 300 horsepower anymore. Most are 350-450. A handful are 550+. And 1% are 1000+. I expect MkIV Supras to be the same.

It's a piece of shit.

No turbo, no 6-speed, weighs more.

Because it's the fastest while weighing about 1,000 more pounds than each one?

>EFFU EFFU

>fastest
Read that again, son.

>fastest
It lost to the honda you dumb cuck.

Toyota a shit

If you're going to be building it up to make more than 600bhp you're going to be swapping out most of the old parts anyways so the cost of turboing is more or less the same
And swapping in a 6 speed is piss easy

I'm curious how much quicker the 320hp version is. Also, most curb weight figures I've seen for USDM models are right around 3,500.

It's red and looks like a pill

My mistake.

But if we're being fair, giving the Supra modern tires would make it the clear winner.

Then you could put "modern tires" on the honda and it would still win.

Hey, don't worry man
People go denial mode IRL too when beaten by a Honda

Tell me how tire technology hasn't changed from 1994 (when the Supra was probably tested) to 2008 (when the Civic was probably tested).

The Supra in this comparison has just 43 more horsepower while weighing >900 pounds more and having older tire technology. Yet it only lost by .07 seconds. Does that make me in denial? Wouldn't it-

>it's a trip

Oh.

>ITT: everyone ignores driver ability

> not testing the 320 hp version

Shigs, digs, etc.

>literally cannot deal with losing to a civic
>damage control
On the same tires it would still win.
>excuses
BTFO!!

The JDM Supras only made 276bhp officially, bit realistically it along with the Skyline GTRs and the RX7 were all making well over 300bhp

I own a mk4 supra chassis with a lexus body and engine. Feels great man, want to make my car more supra esque with a supra close ratio manual and supra aftermarket suspension.

Toyota was on top of the game when the supra came out. As far as reliability and quality compared to euros.

How fucking ignorant do you have to be to think better tires wouldn't make a .07 second difference? And by all means keep shitposting instead of using empirical evidence to support your argument. Really proves your point.

JDM supras also didn't weigh 3600 lbs (more like 3,200-3,300) so there's at least a slight hint of a chance that we aren't dealing with the most accurate information here.

>makes claim
>doesn't provide evidence
>gets mad
stay btfo, cuck

its fucking awesome

source: have owned 2 and driven many more

good grand tourer. but it's just that a grand tourer.

Great for cruising around in style and overtaking and merging when you need to but pretty much that . It was never meant for big power or corners, it was meant for dropping your kids off at school and looking good while doing it. It was a Great GT but a terrible sports car, and that's completely fine

>so there's at least a slight hint of a chance that we aren't dealing with the most accurate information here
>Fastest Laps

How fucking new are you? Of course that information isn't accurate in the slightest

That scenery is breathtaking, wow... Where is that by the way? Beautiful looking Supra even with the "ugly" wheels, lol! Regret passing up a 5 speed earlier this year

Truly hideous.

>dropping your kids off at school
Not with those rear seats

The Mugen RR uses Bridgestone RE070 RR tires developed specifically for the Mugen RR. The source I found is American so they don't list the Mugen RR, but:

>The Potenza RE070 is Bridgestone's Extreme Performance Summer tire developed for Original Equipment use in sizes for the 2012 Lexus LFA Nurburgring Edition, as well as 2008-2009 Honda S2000 CR (Club Racer) and other sports cars.

The Supra didn't have tires specifically made for it. Clearly the Civic is at an advantage.

For the record, you're the one claiming tire technology hasn't improved since 1994 - a claim you have yet to support.

I actually never claimed that, retard.

You cry "damage control" and chided me for not supplying evidence for a claim you believe in? Shit dude.

You're the one who claimed it would be faster. Now provide evidence or gtfo.