China brand cars

Anyone bought/planning to buy them chink-branded cars? Haval, Chery, Geely. Dong Feng, things like that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not insulting people for buying them, just curious. I know plenty of non-american here and somehow had bought some chink vehicles (cars, bike, SUV, etc). Anything to share?

>pic related

I kinda like the design, and from the reviews it seems like a decent car as well

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I used to have a Chery QQ. Plasticy, underpowered, has safety rating of a tuk-tuk (only that it has seatbelts), all the dashboards rattled after less than 2 year

Tbf it is a cute little turd, but you could get a better city car. I sold mine 3 years ago and bought honda city instead.

>from the reviews it seems like a decent car as well

The chinese companies believe in fake reviews and fake sales stats. It's a chronic problem in mainland china as companies try to build up confidence in their products with western buyers and investors.

Roewe is the best I think,they're using older Rover tech and they make some large buick under license

They also currently own MG and they shit on the company's heritage, no sports cars no anything just this Rover 75 bodykit (same chassis,re-done k-series engines,same seat frames,same a lot of fucking things) that's pretty fucking good for a chinese car though,the handling is pretty good

>I know plenty of non-american here and somehow had bought some chink vehicles

Instead of asking us for reviews of them, you know the owners and seen the cars, so give us some reviews of them! Do they just pay lip service to having features such as having the barest minimum of a feature just so they can claim to have that feature?

The only good thing Roewe has done is slightly redesign the K series with a head gasket not made of cheese

There's a growing number of old MGs and Rovers with the N series retrofitted in, since it's basically identical except not shit

>Roewe is the best I think,they're using older Rover tech

So basically they are copying out of patent protection technology and selling it in order to train their workers and build up a distribution and servicing infrastructure in the USA.

The Haval M4 will be powered by a 1.5 with 106hp and 138nm, mated to a 5-speed manual or a CVT.

why would you want it.

ching shit general? we /g/ now?

Getting a korean car thats acceptable, A chinese car.

Hell no.

Even when the koreans came to out market they had higher quality cars then the current Chinese crap

>The Haval M4 will be powered by a 1.5 with 106hp and 138nm, mated to a 5-speed manual or a CVT.
>why would you want it.

A loaded new 2016 Haval M4 SUV with bigger engine and the options packages is priced at $18,300 dollars. The basic Haval M4 SUV as you indicate is approximately $13,300 for a new SUV. I don't know what kind of SUV has only 1.5, but that is chinese specs for you.

In my opinion, the Haval M4 SUV (aka Great Wall M4) doesn't seem to have a lot of infrastructure in it. Always open all doors fully, stand back 20 feet and notice how thick any structural members are. I bet you will not like the Haval if you look at it that way.

But the Haval M4 was not meant to race in Fast and the Furious. It is not Riddick tough.

The model's arm looks sturdier than the Haval M4 A pillar.

Uh, what?

Those 90s Daewoos are one of the worst things I've ever driven.

I've never drive any chink car before, but considering that they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars for their state-of-the-art factories(with new tooling, machinery, better standard than those imposed in the 90s as well as better CAD software), there's no way a 2016 chink cars being worse than 90s daewoo

>considering that they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars for their state-of-the-art factories(with new tooling, machinery, better standard than those imposed in the 90s as well as better CAD software), there's no way a 2016 chink cars being worse

That's why the 2016 Haval M4 SUV is such an excellent performer for the money?

Anyways, I think those chinese claims of hundreds of millions for this and that are exaggerated. While one can believe statements from other companies and places, when there is so much lying and even widespread falsification of inspection credentials and data, I require proof from now on.

Is it really that hard to believe? Hundreds of million of dollars for a car factory is pretty much a normal figure (on the low side, even. maybe enough for CKD assembly plant). Land acquisition itself would cost up to 10 percent of total factory building cost

I think Tesla is going to spend about 9 billion dollars to build its factory in China. It quite a big investment (so big that India tried to hijack the deal and persuade Tesla to build their factory in India instead)

i can only imagine the QC at a Chinese car factory

i mean dodge can barely keep it together

I really wish that they made an effort to import them to the States
That way I could pick them up for cheap in 20 years and fix and/or hoon them

Nope. At least that's not the way they'd do business here (too much effort for little gain)

What they'd do, is to buy ailing factories in the US and turn it assemble their cars there. That's what they're trying to do in detroit afaik

>letting the chinks to build take over our factories and our jobs

Why are we letting this happened again?

I understand that Chinese companies have little to gain with the US market since their own isn't saturated yet, but I'd just like some more ultra cheap vehicles here

Here in my earthquake favorite 3rd world country, we got models from almost all the "big" chinese car makers available on the market, Changan, Changhe, Chery, Geely, Great Wall, MG (Roewe), ZNA (Dongfeng), BYD, Brilliance, BAIC, FAW, Foton, Hafei, Jinbei...etc.

The only ones that have demostrated that are somewhat durable are Great Wall, Brilliance, Chery with their SUV Tiggo Line and MG.

All the other brands are pretty bad constructed, but have the advantage of as they use old Japanese cars bases aswell engines and transmissions the owners can use better spare parts coming from Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Suzuki Models, so then all these chinese cars have an alternative of keep going around.

In quality from the almost 10 years of their presence in the market they have improved a lot, but they're still years away from Koreans, and almost at the same quality of Indian made cars (Maruti- Suzuki, Tata and Mahindra). I think that if the chinese keep improving their quality controls maybe in 5 years they'll be able to reach or at least equate the quality build of a Kia or Hyundai.

So in 10 years it will be Welcome To Your New Car Manufacturing Overlords as chinese companies build non-union car factories in the usa.

I've driven pic related owned by company.
>Tyre pressure sensors go off at random
>Won't play most USB stick content.
>Auto shift erratic and jerky
>Won't hold a gear going down hill in manual mode 1000rpm before red line
>Jerky delayed launch
>Brake pad fell off backing plate
>Steering wheel controls on wrong side
>Can't remove jack without bending the holder bracket

>Buying a Chinese car
>not expecting quality issues.

Also
>Brake pad fell off backing plate
What the fuck? Like just fell off? While driving or sitting around?

>Brake pad fell off backing plate
Sounds like a RECALL issue. I bet all the suppliers were "profit taking" on the car. So the metals supplier might even have trash metal in the car instead of the appropriate alloy content. Chinese raw metal suppliers are famous for adulterated (impure or not meeting spec) product when they sell ingots, bars, sheet metal, and sintering powders to american companies.

Tell me more, I'm very interested in Chinese cars

I'd love to get the updated Jeep XJ that they basically ripped off. But of course it doesn't meet safety standards. Even though I can pretty confidently say it's got to be safer than my actual XJ.

>buying Communist products
Enjoy your shittier than shit-box

Short of the brake pad issue, this sounds exactly like the 2016 Fiesta. All the same fucking issues. But the rear DRUM brakes are howling like a mother fucker and it's only like three months old. Fucking absolute garbage and I hate driving it. At least I don't own the god damn thing.

>Brake pad fell off backing plate
It could have overheated from the handbrake not allowing the shoe to fully move back to the no contact position. Perhaps something is binding in the parking brake cable such as some strands are broken. It's better that it overheated and fell off due to cheapness than if it remained on to give a brake fire or damage the drum. Not bad for a 3 month old premium chinese car.

Wena weon.

OK, but now. I would absolutely never ever EVER buy a Chinese car. My personal experience has been with this shit and I absolutely hate it. The only good thing about Chinese cars is that they are cheap A to B transport, nothing else. Quality, materials, performance... everything is poor and disgusting.

For anybody that is remotely interested in cars, a Chinese car is suicide. Picture related is 100 times better than a Chinese car in all aspects, no joke.

It all depends on the targeted market actually.

In...uh, "frontier/emerging market" (most african countries, south asian, and even some south east asian countries), where safety assessment procedure is either unenforced or nonexistent, they would try to rake maximum profit by selling substandard cars (or cars with substandard build/qc quality).

Sometimes they would even reuse old chassis/engine and only do some cosmetic body "update". It's not really unique to chink cars tho, since japan also did just that (Datsun GO/GO+, Suzuki Maruti, and the likes).

>pic related

Is a shitbox that kept being sold in South asian countries despite being about 30 years (and 6 generation) behind current models. They still make fresh batch of them

Suzuki alto was the first car i drove in Pakistan. It was a piece of shit, with a 3 cylinder 2 stroke and i swear non-synchronous manual.

Anyway, credit where credits due, it was SOOO EASY to repair. It made a corolla look like a BMW. I swear everything could be 'fixed' with household parts.

We had a fuel pump stop working, so my uncle and dad nigger rigged a small motor to where the fuel motor was and it worked fine.

Most of the car was duct tape.

But anyway. Shit countries only care about function, and reliability and ease of repair. that's it.

That's why a corolla was considered a luxury car. You knew a guy was a high roller when he drove by in his WHITE Toyota corolla CE and a factory owner rolls in the LE.

Also automatic is still a new thing in Pakistan, the Toyota echo is making record sales.

I don't know about that. If you've been to Detroit, people there would welcome literally any companies to save their dead city, even if that means having to work making no-name cars for no-name chink companies and bow to Chinese flag every morning with those cheesy, red-painted propaganda slogan (somewhere along the line of "Let's work for an everlasting China-US friendship" or shit like that)

>If you've been to Detroit, people there
Muslims have been moving there in great numbers because the land is cheap and there are tens of thousands of abandoned properties. Detroit suburbs have been reviving due to muslims. The first Muslim-run city in the USA is in Detroit now. The schools have more conservative rules and girls must dress accordingly even during "PE" type classes.

The muslim-run city also authorized islam churches to sound their loudspeakers across the city five times per day in the Call to Prayer. It is not classed by the muslim-run city government as "disturbing the peace" or forcing others to worship islam.

However, the islamic voters and the islamic city council do hire people that they trust. That is fair. They also don't hire people they don't trust.

Islamic exclusive schools paid by taxpayer money is coming. Does that mean non-islamic taxpayers don't want to pay taxes for that, so they move out, thus making sure the voter base is totally solid islam? That means islam laws will always pass with Super-Majority and not just simple majority. Some laws require super majority after all due to state regulations. Islam-only cities are on the rise in the USA.

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I've had a look at a few of them over the years- Great Wall, Chery and the Haval's
They're really "not good" would be the nicest thing I could probably say about them, kind of like the mid-90s Hyundai in terms of fit/finish but slightly worse. From an engineering and mechanical perspective they're fucking awful, handles like a drunk, really poor quality control, shit materials, antiquated designs, underpowered engines and basically a death trap. Which is fine for the Chinese, they've got no fear of death/consequences.

But they're cheap
Cheap actually counts for a lot in some markets where niggas love shit that's cheap.

>Which is fine for the Chinese, they've got no fear of death/consequences.

You are looking at some symptoms and drawing the wrong conclusion. Don't confuse the official lack of concern about death with individuals fearing death. They fear death too. But there is no social welfare like in the USA. When you accuse China of being communist, you are so wrong. The capitalist countries of usa and europe have far more socialism and pseudo-communism than China ever had.

The american negro and american hispanic population growth welfare problems cannot occur in china because they would not fund it and would give death sentences for it. Many things have death penalties. Even hooliganism has a death penalty. In the USA, niglets commit a great deal of hooliganism, but in China, that doesn't occur.

In china, if someone gets severely injured, the perpetrator may actually run them over several times to get rid of the person. Unlike the USA where social welfare allows you to have as many children as you can produce, there is a limit of one child unless at least one parent is an only child. As a result some laws about compensation are strict such as if you maim someone, you can be responsible for their care for the rest of their life.

However, the penalty for wrongful death is fairly low because that supports businesses and economic growth. So the solution many chinese have is to kill off the victim because the penalty for wrongful death has a much lower cost.

If they can be sold new for under 10k USD and get the bare minimum emissions and crash ratings, they will sell.

The chinese can't comprehend the idea of quality. They actually made a copy of a rolls royce phantom that costs FAR less, but is just poorly screwed together plastic shit. For them it's not about actual longevity or quality, just appearances to impress all your dog-eating neighbours.

>For them it's not about actual longevity or quality, just appearances to impress all your dog-eating neighbours.

For products feature claims and service, that is called "lip service". There are good chinese companies. But almost all the others only give superficial efforts into product longevity or durability. Those things don't give short term profit.

If they have long term desires, it's mostly not about quality, but about how to be predatory against other companies.

Does this count as a chink brand? Or is it just owned by a Chinese company in name?

>Step on the throttle
>Legs and lower body gradually get dragged into the mechanism and turned into a bloody meat and bone paste by the prestigious Chinese engineering with a design inspired by the mighty achievements of Communist party in unifying the people of China under one red banner

ISHYGDDT

That company is just owned by the chinks. Volvos are actually good cars that can take a front impact from a bicyclist without crumpling like a juice box.

>Or is it just owned by a Chinese company in name?
The cars are not assembled in China. And that car company still has QC that can reject parts which don't meet standards. Importantly, if the company relaxed its standards so that chinese parts that formerly didn't meet standards now passed (no child left behind act), some newbie worker would hopefully expose the company. The older workers would keep quiet since they don't want to jeopardize their pensions. Chinese companies are notorious about shedding worker benefits once they took over.

Chinese also own Legendary which makes those hollywood epic movies from 300 to Warcraft.

They also own the usa movie theatre chains.

>Does this count as a chink brand?

Top quality doesn't matter as long as it's "good enough". Harbor Freight is all chinese and it has killed off its usa competitors and even bought up some of the bankrupt intellectual property assets at pennies on the dollar of companies that it plagiarized patents.

Other companies that depended on tool sales such as ACE and Sears have basically lost most of their tool sales to Harbor Freight. Thus they scaled down their tool offerings and that furthermore put some usa tool makers out of business. It may be that Snap On and others become outlets for chinese tools in the end.

>The cars are not assembled in China.
When did they stop?

It's one of those Veeky Forums jokes that separates those who know about cars from those who don't. More obvious is when someone tells you the problem is "head gasket". And yet going further is "you need some headlight fluid".

Well the best seller here in Chile it's a Chinese Car, the Chevrolet Sail, a derivated from the Old Opel Corsa B made for the GM-Shanghai. These things are an absolute plague, because everybody who has an income of 500k CLP (around 800 USD) can opt to buy one with GM-credit. Here the minimum wage its of 250k CLP (384 USD), as referency.

So the Chinese cars are aimed to low tier of the gigantic sector of the population denominated as "middle class" of this country, and these chinese things have produced an particular phenomenon with Korean and Japanese branded car, with Korean mostly, the Korean cars where the Low tier brands before the arrival of the Chinese, poor on equipment and safety, and a price that was "fair" for what you where buying, but when the Chinese arrived with their cars they offered things that Korean didn't offered as A/C, 2 Airbags, ABS and other shit that made the illusion to the average buyer of getting more for the same money. And this made that the Koreans and Japanese branded cars rise their prices and give a little (but not too much) better equipment in general compared to the pre-chinese.

In the second hand market you can buy a chinese car with 2-3 years for the half or even less of the retail price. If you wanna check the market and models of almost any car sold here you can check chileautos(dot)cl the site its in spanish but its very simple to figure out.

Wena CTM

i drove one of these once, it is legitimately cool and basically cut price Tesla model x. i was pretty surprised because it's pretty innovative. You can drive/park it just using the key fob. it's not quite automatic parallel parking but it's still cool

it's also stupid fast. it keeps up with a cayenne or panamera easily. I would legit buy one if it wasn't $100k

i'll give them credits where due, quality has improved leaps in recent years on the more mainstream models but i'd be wary on safety still

>but in China, that doesn't occur
the chinese are just as fucking bad if not worse, don't kid yourself

>the chinese are just as fucking bad if not worse, don't kid yourself

Chinese transportation in NON-tourist areas can be pretty bad. The government and tourist businesses know they have to keep their areas nice and clean to not offend foreign visitors and business people, so those cities are nice and neat.

But go further into other parts of china where the government doesn't care or won't spend the money and effort, and you see companies that are lax at maintenance due to cost savings.

Longpost Guy mentioned something about one of his college friends who went to do some training in China. He said she came back with some real horror stories.

Looks like a kia sonata

>...when there is so much lying and even widespread falsification of inspection credentials and data, I require proof from now on.

You can see strange things go on at Amazon.com with knock-off product problems. Chinese factories will create copies of american products such as toothpaste and paper towels complete with similar printing and packaging materials. On some products, they have reproduced the hologram seals too.

Two years ago, some chinese factory had made knock-offs for some proctor & gamble toothpaste. However, the deception was noted due to customer complaints about the taste being off. The entire shipment of rejected and returned. The chinese company naturally sent those products to some other market in central america. I guess those countries now think american products are not that good after experiencing the chinese copy of the P&G product.

Some time ago, I experienced the same disappointment but with a different P&G product called Bounty DuraTowels. I had used them before and they were the best consumer paper towels out there. Plush, tough, thick-feeling even when wet, and refused to fall apart. I found some in one of those discount stores that gets odd lots and products made in china. I paid no mind that the plastic package on 6 king size rolls was slightly thinner than I was used to since the printing was the bright familiar proctor & gamble logo and DuraTowel brand. Blah. They weren't like I remembered. They were much weaker and had shorter fibers and tore when scrubbing wheel rims. I would say they were 70% of a normal Bounty paper towel when scrubbing wheel rims.

I checked with Amazon buyers' comments. Some also had bad Bounty quality. Brand name products sold on amazon are always by official distribtors but 3rd party resellers. Chinese Knock Offs.

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>brake pad
>drum brakes

that would be a brake shoe

I wish I could post that webm of that chinese guy who got run over by two different trucks on the highway

he survived but zhang dong the janitor got assmad and banned me for 3 days the last time I posted it

I'm still unsold on their cars, but some of their bike brands are damn near worth buying to me. I'm mulling over getting a zongshen that's been imported by CSC. Not shilling for them, but in my research, CSC is the only company that bothered to have their bikes EPA 50 state certified so it's actually register-able for road use in Pennsylvania.

the ones with the star trek emblem on the front are GOAT

geely owns them but production is exclusively in sweden

Why would you buy chink when you can buy used and get a better car?

The topic isn't exclusive to american.

They have been investing but that's only because they have western companies to leech off.

China was still build 50s cars in the mid 90s and anything remotely modern was a foreign joint venture

They improved by fucking lightyears but that's only because of all the western tech they get to rip off

Those laws actually got changed in the case of running cunts over, having to pay for it etc- unfortunately they still do it!

They are fairly adept at corporate spying, but a lot of the time they don't have to as its simply the western country sending their shit over there to be manufactured, they'll just copy and re-purpose it. In my business dealings at least they're quite nasty to have much to do with, getting any info out of them is like getting blood from a stone and beating motherfuckers over the head wholesale.

Is the euro used market really such trash that chink bootlegs are really a viable alternative?

>In my business dealings at least they're quite nasty to have much to do with, getting any info out of them is like getting blood from a stone and beating motherfuckers over the head wholesale.

If you're good at criticizing them in print, you might disappear too like various critics in asian countries outside of china have become. They just disappear. Except one case, the chinese bookseller apparently showed up after a mysterious disappearance in China and repudiated what he said and claimed to be okay and there of his own free will. Sort of like how Edward Snowden could one day suddenly appear in the USA's Guantanamo Bay "resort hotel" stating that he was there of his own free will and that he was okay and that what he said before was wrong. That's the China in current history.

A number of years ago, one usa engineer had tests done of some chinese raw materials and found out they used bait and switch tactics. The initial chemicals had adequate purity but as time went on the purity declined. He reported on it in an engineering journal and then some local chinese culture society filed charges against him for racism. Very odd since he had nothing to do with their local chinese community. It was either the chinese gov't or company using their usa-side agents to force certain influential people to be silent.

They bought the tech. SAIC bought the Longbridge plant, the MG marque and the Rover designs off BMW in 2005 when Rover folded. The Rover marque, though, is owned by Jaguar iirc.

ooga booga noonga

No. Never seen any chinkmobiles on the road where i live.

>they'll just copy and re-purpose it
Yup. I have a mate in china working with a factory to make aftermarket parts. After he designed all his shit from scratch the factory started making copies to sell as their own.

They only stopped because he raged so hard and goes to the factory almost every day to make sure they don't try it again

I don't speak american

>What the fuck? Like just fell off? While driving or sitting around?

No idea.

>3000 km since last service
>Drive car
>Hear grinding sound wile braking
>Metal on metal

The old guy who normally drives it is deaf so had not noticed.

>They only stopped because he raged so hard and goes to the factory almost every day to make sure they don't try it again

They'll do it on a 3rd shift. Other american appliance makers had that problem. The line runs normal hours and then it closes. Then late at night, it opens up again and makes the copies when you are not there to inspect.

What your friend has to watch out for is substitution. The supplier of raw materials might make a deal with the factory your friend hired to produce the parts. Your friend still pays the same, but the metal quality will be less, the alloy percentages will be off, etc. Whatever they think you cannot test they will cheat in order to increase their profit.

Heck, some of their buildings and even support columns have crumbled because the concrete was filled with trash filler materials. Literally construction garbage. By dumping that stuff into the concrete, the concrete company didn't have to make that much concrete and thus saved money. They make a private deal with the foreman and key workers on the site so those employees look the other way or do not inspect the concrete closely. That's a problem in china where your workers might have secret deals going on.

Nah, I'm entirely way too much trouble to bother with and no audience that cares.
Major problem I had when I worked there for 6 months as a contract engineer/project manager was the little shits cutting corners on everything and there's just no quality control unless you sink your foot so deep in their arsehole they can taste boot polish. Literally every day go out and knock the shit out of some foreman or another for either not using safety gear when rigging all the way down to patch panels being put together by spastics. I did another contract which was similar in India and its the exact same problems there, if its not some cunt running off with a load of copper wire you've got bullshit artists in every corner spinning lies to the white man and blaming underlings.

I mean I can forgive the odd fuckup, but its mostly just endemic apathy. Sure some people don't give a fuck about their job, its my prerogative after that they don't paid for it either. Money will shake the tree harder than yelling at them, cut off the supply until they un-fuck themselves, that works very quickly!

>A loaded new 2016 Haval M4 SUV with bigger engine and the options packages is priced at $18,300 dollars. The basic Haval M4 SUV as you indicate is approximately $13,300 for a new SUV.

For that kind of money I'd rather get pic related.

>the factory started making copies to sell as their own.
The chinese have no problem about claiming something as their own. Your friend is lucky they didn't hire some thugs to "make him disappear" and then his product would be totally theirs to sell from then on.

They even copy american restaurant and other franchises. Some companies such as macdonalds and KFC have had unauthorized franchises open in china. Some illegal franchises lasted for quite awhile because the illegal franchises ignored complaints and the court system was crooked.

Chinese entrepreneurs even made and sold franchises of Apple stores. Those Apple franchises were selling knock-off copies of Apple products.

>Your friend is lucky they didn't hire some thugs to "make him disappear"

If you're a reporter or westerner, that is when thugs show up or the government comes to interfere with you. That was mentioned by one reporter who went to china to report on the pollution problems deeper in china. The thugs were always well informed of his location wherever he went no matter how he tried to lose them. So they were probably using his cellphone and other gear to track his location.

>For that kind of money I'd rather get pic related.
Can't trust any Chinese warranty. And if you turned the car in for warranty repair, they might not really fix the problem but do some sort of band-aid fix before returning it. Or they do the stealership trick of finding ways to disqualify parts of your warranty as mentioned in

>The chinese have no problem about claiming something as their own.
When the chinese built that high-speed bullet train and claimed they invented the technology for it, they were later deemed by various experts to have copied (and not paid patent fees) for many parts of the train.

It's also a bit scary since the ride can be a little rough at times. Yet Japan's Shinkansen is smoother ride.

you get left alone for the most part as a foreigner.
but there are instances. i know some american woman who was randomly beaten up by a chinese dude recently. all he said was that she hurt his feelings and the let him off that night