What's the hardest car to work on?

dude the efi sm is hot

One of the sexiest cars ever built.

Subaru you've got to pull the engine for just about anything

North star and head gaskets being blown are pretty much synonymous at this point. I belive it's less of a headache to just buy a while new engine while I'm sure aftermarket headgaskets are a major.improvement give no extreme damage was done to the origional motor.

yeah something with the germans and pressure balls that they cant seem to let go of

better or worse than the cardboard ones found in subarus?

dick status: muh

audis are easy to work on, just different and expensive when you have to get random little plastic parts from the dealer. If you know the routine then doing major service is not that bad

I get more frustrated with american cars, especially the FWD V6es (chrysler can eat shit)

Any EV, because not only are the systems complex as they're electronical beasts, the batteries are WMDs. Probably the easiest way to get killed

Imagine: Youre the CEO of the most profitable car comany in the world. You easily make $30billion each year and you can't manage to make a non-defective, reliable engine. Imagine, that 30b can't buy a good headgasket, can't make a head that doesnt warp, can't make a valve spring that lasts more than 10K miles, can't secure a proper airbag AFTER the takata incident, can sell a new engine that doesn't burn oil, can't install a piston ring pack correctly, can't make a VVT unit that doesnt rattle at every start up. Imagine you had all that money and zero talent. When you consider all of that, does Subaru really seem tnat bad?

fuel filters on Toyotas

most modern longitudinal engine cars look like a fuckfest like that with the front fascia and supporting hardware/radiators taken out.

>have to be a Citroen specialist to make sense of the hydraulics
>have to be a maserati specialist to make any sense of the engine
>have to be clairvoyant to make sense of the electrics

why does it need 2 cans of bleach attached to air intake

fucking pt cruiser

it's like they drew the body without thinking of the internals at all, and then were surprised that they had to cram this, and this, and this, under the hood

>built-in spare oil holder

70's Maserati engine, at least they knew what they were getting into.

where do you live that bleach comes in a god damn can? russia?

Motherfucking ford put a transverse i6 in the volvo s80

How about a veeate?

well that's no longer than an i5.

whats so difficult about it?
that v8 is a whole can of worms

America went absolutely haywire on transverse V8s between the mid '80s and the mid '00s. To my knowledge all of them front wheel drive, too.

but that has the same tranny as the volvo

>not having a spare qt of oil under the hood

LS1 and honda D series here

>muh oil consumption

its not the actual gaskets that came in the northstar that are the issue.

is it the head bolts then? its one or the other.

head studs. they don't have enough clamping force to keep the heads to the block. there's a guy in canada that was boring out the holes in the block and putting in larger headstuds with a more coarse thread. not sure if hes still around though.

At least this bay looks somewhat presentable and easier to work on than or

well that is shit engineering

Definitely not Japan though

someone dun goofed

The gearbox is behind the engine on that thing.

the navistar 6.0 v8 had the same issue. weak head bolts. the stock head gasket was ok ish.
so international probably hired the engineers from the northstar to work on navistar.

wow that sounds weird.

This, especially the B5's. I can't think of anything easier that isn't a utility vehicle meant to be repaired on the road, Audis are easy-peasy.

Pic related, got into the timing belt within a few minutes on a longitudinal engine, this was like two bolts for bumper, 7 for the bumper supports, 6 for the front frame and 4 for the headlights, ta-da. All bolts easily accessible too.

This car is perfect for anyone who wants to DIY.

>To my knowledge all of them front wheel drive, too.
Why on earth would they make a transverse rear wheel drive V8?

>guise wat is awd?

Because Fiero.

Audi and VAG in general is mostly easy as long as you use the service position (like in your pic) and have the tools required. (cam lock pin and cam lock bar) Looks like a timing belt job to me.

I've never worked on a challenging vehicle. I've mostly only messed with 4-cylinder coupes and V8 trucks which both usually have spacious bays.

Even the Audi TT 225 wasn't too bad.

Though I must say, changing the piping to and from the turbo in my STi was more difficult than belts / gaskets / water pump in my Miata; not more time-consuming, just more difficult.

oh shieeet negro is that one of those toilet paper filters??

>be a mechanic
>get paid $500/wk under the table
>'08 DTS w/northstar
>rear main seal leak
>the owner of the shop asks if i can get it done by 2:30pm the next day
>its 7pm
>MFW

by the way, its still not done, I refuse to do it, they dont pay me enough.

I said RWD not AWD you schmuck
Perhaps I should have specified front engined

Also, this was like an evening after work where I installed a completely new washer system and straightened the door.

removing the whole front is easier than hoisting the engine out. they clearly thought this out.
just saiyan.

What about Xantia and C5?

Xantia Activa bay...

And the C5.

I'm not a mechanic and these look okay to me. I intend to buy either one because of the super comfy suspension (I'm aware of its issues), but I don't like the idea of spending lots of money on a Citroen.

Activa is a rare pepe though, regular Xantias look like any other I4 shitbox with a couple extra components.

Well that's a RS4, so I'd imagine it'd be hard. My A4 is pretty easy to work on.

Yeah, I did pick out the hardest-to-work-on Xantia. Regular ones have more room under there.

Anything with an LS4.

Nothing is specifically "hard"
Maybe more work, but not hard. If you know what you're doing apply theory, simple.
Doesn't matter if it's an Acura or a Benz

The Chevy 4.3 V6 is nothing but a Cluster Fuck

>meme air intake
poor car.

I hate to agree with GS400guy, but he's right. There's nothing very difficult about working on any car. It gets difficult when you buy dollar store service manuals instead of factory or neglect to buy the correct tools as shadetree mechanics are wont to do.

It was an OE-optional air intake, not aftermarket.

You mean it was in the parts catalog at the dealership.

You don't know what you're talking about.
Everything is give and take.
A timing belt on a longitudinal MR can mean pulling the engine is easier than not,
But a fairly rare service taking a little more work doesn't mean a car is hard to work on.
>I'm calling 20k mile service rare
Also inboard brakes, but ignore that.

The Japs and Americans love making basic things hard as shit to do.
The Euros tend to make common things easy to do. While the Americans will stick the brake fluid reservoir in a place you can't reach even with a funnel.
And the Japanese will put a clutch master in a position where you have to pull the engine to replace it.

Removing the radiator sucks in a PT. You have ot remove the fan first. But, the top pipe neck for the radiator is in the way. The books show the neck unbolting, but the radiators it hhas (at least for the Turbo version) don't do that, so you have to fuck puuuuull on the radiator and hope you don't break the lower bolt holes when removing fan.

European cars tend to be more maintenance-heavy, so it makes sense that they'd make them relatively easy to service.

As you said, it's all give and take.

Passat is shit to work on

Which gen? My dad's B4 is piss easy.

You must be a total retard

300ZX
jesus fucking christ, no I will not help

True if you have the right tools the only pain in the ass would be if somethings not going as it should i.e. something stuck, snapped, broken.

But. When all you are doing is wrenching there are cars that make it more of a pain in the ass. You shouldnt have to remove the front facia, radiator fans, intake, and water pump to change a distributor, but some cars require more love than others...and weekends.

Any transvere V-engined van

Lets flip this thread.
Whats the easiest cars to work on. Cars that actually bring joy to wrenching.

obligatory Civic mention, or most Hondas really

any pre 2000s hyundai

It takes like 15 minutes to get the entire front end off one of those you softcock.

volvo bricks?

It's a bitch to change spark plugs and gaskets of any kind on my EG33.

True got alot of Cadillac's lol had to do it

>special parts
You mean special tools?
From time to time mine has just pissed me off with a random socket. VAG and their triple square socket can properly fuck off.

>All the plastic stuff that decays
>All the little clips that will break.
>Having to replace my disptick tube because it crumbled to pieces
>Having to drop the oilpan because a piece of orange plastic fell in.
>That mess of a procedure to replace/look at the air filter.
As far as cars to work on, VAGmobiles are some of the most common bad ones.
For whatever reason I still don't feel all too comfortable on the lift points for the b5.

My 1.8t Mk4 GTI is pretty easy. I've also worked on a 1996 Toyota Celica and found that to be the easiest I've had to work with.
My worst was a Porsche 928 and an 03 Boxer

Part of the evap system, forget what specifically.

Source: own an S4

I'm a subi tech and yes those fucking turbo inlet tubes are the bane of my existence. I tend to pull a muscle ripping those fucking things out.

At least they have the common courtesy to give you alternator/drive belt access panels.

Yes, I do mean that, and I bought the car at an auction w/ 7k miles so...

French shitboxes from the 90s, but I'll post the most memeable one.

My metro is so piss easy to work on and I absolutely love it.

>(Older) Lambroghini

as if they're any easier to work on today

they got them pretty reliable now though, other than the damn sensors and electronics

>want to replace fuel filter
>gotta relieve the fuel pressure in the lines before i can touch that shit
>there's no fuel pump relay i can take out
>gotta remove the back seat, pop open this cover which is sealed with glue or some shit and then disconnect the fuel pump
i mean why not just have a fuel pump fuse or something in the engine bay

>timing belt job requires removing the entire front end including the AC condenser
>easy
Audifags have stockholm syndrome

>no fuel pump relay
How is the pump switched off and on if there's no relay? A manual switch? Is it hard wired to run all the time when the battery is in? There has to be a fuel pump relay somewhere, I highly doubt a fucking hyundai uses a solid state fuel pump controller with big ass mosfets.

i hear the pump whine when i turn the key so hyundai must have built a magic car i guess

There's a relay somewhere opie. There's no way it's powered by the ignition switch alone.

There will always be a fuel pump fuse and/or relay. find ALL of the fuse boxes in your car(the vast majority of modern cars have more than one) and then check your owners manual.