Threadly reminder that Vayne Solidor did nothing wrong.
Joshua Bell
>Wol is literally the only non-Core character to not have a Record Dive Well that's weird. Are they saving it for a second Mobius collab or something?
Joshua Allen
all rpgs are artificial difficulty. They're just increase of numbers rather than actual difficult content.
Luis Powell
So was Bartz. Welcome to RK, home of the dumbest difficulty curves ever.
Luis Wood
Reminder that irrational hate for a fictional character is just as bad as irrational adoration.
Parker Foster
Bartz was ez. Just slap some Wall/Breakdowns/Protectga and it's walk in the park
Jayden Long
I remember reading somewhere that we might get type-0 before lightning. I think I was drunk watching that Asian guy spend 300 dollar on chizuru during this FB banner and he said it.
Luis Ortiz
Yeah it's easy man all you gotta do is just reset a hundred times until it lets you do that. What's the problem?
Wyatt Peterson
took me literally one s/l
Ryder Robinson
And I got a Chizuru on my very first BE pull, what's your point?
Justin Perez
>reset a hundred times It only took me 1 s/l because I forgot to reapply SG before Four Radiance
Ryan Sanders
You are full of bullshit. He has like a 99% chance to kick as his first two moves.
>Every person who strongly dislikes a character dislikes them irrationally
Bentley Wood
and you can get a breakdown, protectga and wall out before his second kick
Hudson Watson
This. Only got one kick in (which I don't believe was all that powerful) then my wall and protectga was up. Mastered it on my first try.
Michael Thomas
Yeah, if all three of those units started out above half on their ATB. Even then, odds are he kicks again before most of that goes out or you still lose characters anyways. Stop making shit up already.
Evan Harris
>stop making shit up aready >counters with hypothetical situations of his own
Mason Brown
I'm not making shit up- There's no point to lying on the internet. I even did that shit as a cid mission. Quit crying about your bad atb rng.
Julian Martinez
I did that myself and even with that the second kick killed two characters. I think you really need armor synergy or something to hang on there. Only took me 3 tries to master though because I got lucky and he used a regular attack once.
Austin Walker
>hypothetical This screams "I didn't even attempt the fight, I'm just going to shit on the fire"
Luke Rogers
Maybe. My V synergy is probably my best. But after I applied all the usual mitigation shit those kicks were only doing 200~500 damage.
Nathan White
I'm nowhere near the level of attempting U's you're right, but you're still just countering everything he says about getting good atb with saying that you got bad atb
Hudson Young
You're being as childish and idiotic as the disgusting Lightningfags in the thread. I dislike the character (a lot) probably more than I dislike the useless faggot Vaan, but that won't keep me from using those solid units. They didn't kill my parents and pillaged my lands.
Ayden Ortiz
The point they're making is that you're much more likely to NOT get the atb you need.
Chase Nguyen
Shit, I see. I hope we get a % revealed at some point for some peace of mind. It, for some reason, brings me comfort to just know which method it is. I didn't know people got Extra Skills on consecutive battles on the same card. Thanks.
Asher Harris
Why does it matter? He's a bit of a cool character, but isn't he pretty shit as a unit?
Carson Perez
He starts out by doing kick, hits everyone for a metric fuck ton of damage. His next attack is an incredibly high chance of kicking again. He's incredibly fast, hits incredibly hard, to use wall you'd need the character using it to START at nearly full ATB to get off wall before his second attack. Not to mention he can counter physical, so that breakdown could get a lower HP character killed before he even does his second kick. Add onto the fact that people have shown that his AI is fucked up and it's a huge RNG shitfest to even get past the first round of combat.
Hudson Wilson
His whole thing is that he's got a lot of skills but most of them are low leveled (like 3* Combat, what a loser). Guess what Record Dive can and often does fix?
He can use Attack for his first move too, he did for me on the attempt that I mastered.
Hey you're right. I left the game for a long time and dive was already in when I came back so I just gave it a cursory glance and all I was meek ass stat increases in the few I checked but I had heard beforehand they unlocked skills for some. You're right, could help his sorry ass.
Cooper Lewis
Krile a cute, A CUTE!
Sebastian Long
>there are people in this thread that DIDN'T roll Sheepsong nerds
William Gray
YOU HAVEN'T FIXED THE LOOP
Ethan Martinez
He can, but it's a stupidly low chance from my experience. How low I'm unsure, since I gave up after around 25-30 times, but he started with kick on every single try. At least two of those he countered my breakdown and both hits landed on Faris, killing her.
Cameron Cook
He has about a 10% chance to Attack on either of his first two turns. Reddit datamines for this kind of thing, you know.
Asher Martin
>going to reddit
Isaiah Collins
to the one person so far who said it's fine the way it is do you macro?
Ryan Green
330th eternal reminder that Terra is best girl
Adam Morgan
They're the ones with the numbers, the things you kind of need to know before you start an argument about RNG. Just saying.
Aiden Bell
You can get a SB off before he uses another Kick. Or at least not die from it and get something up next turn or from a low ATB character.
Ethan Jackson
It's supposed to be a lot higher, is the thing. Double kick is bullshit no matter the comp. Even a party perfectly geared for it is going to be reeling after that when the first one is 100% going to hit you unmitigated.
Zachary Bell
>6* lightning has 207 BASE attack and innate dual wield along with a ton of elemental attacks
H-holy shit, you guys weren't kidding
Landon Mitchell
>It's supposed to be a lot higher, is the thing I know, it's "supposed" to be 100%. They just forgot to lock off the Kick like they did for the other moves. Kinda stupid that they didn't change it even though they already knew it was an issue from JP.
Brandon Scott
why is that moogle so close to terras breast? is she going to breastfeed that moogle for some of its delicious kupo nut milk?
Charles Wilson
And within a couple months she'll be outclassed anyways, by easier to pull characters at that, not to mention upcoming 6* upgrades being moderately comparable. Whaling for her is pointless, but she is still going to be where the devs get a huge influx of cash.
Jose Davis
They better give 6* Zidane innate dual wield along with aoe mug barrage
Terra's character kind of bugged me in Dissidia. Yeah, I know Locke came to her rescue in FF6, but she's a little too much of a damsel in distress in it. Part of my problem might have been that the Onion Knight was the one to save her, though. It didn't bug me nearly as much when Vaan took over saving her in Duodecim, even though I never played XII or had any reason to give a crap about him.
Parker Lee
>Whale geared Gil with a powerful friend I'm not saying it isn't cool, but you realize they probably had to restart dozens of times to do it, right?
Isaac James
>by easier to pull characters at that I agree that she won't be the absolute best in the game after a while but this right here is just false.
Alexander Jones
Do I earn anything out of clearing every single encounter in a chapter in Mobius?
Tyler Morales
Her biggest competition is Luneth, who has almost 100 more attack over her but who requires a turn to buff and has significantly worse area attack and defense. Then there's Orlandu, who has 282 base attack and incredible single target attacks, but no dual wield. Gilgamesh gets like 250 base if you put a katana on him and pretty good single target potential, but no dual wield.
Luneth is the only real competition here, but they're all base 5* units. He has way more raw attack and single target damage, but worse defenses, no elemental attacks and doesn't chain as easily (lightning hits 5 times). It's debatable for sure, he's top tier too.
Camden Stewart
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Juan Stewart
>and has significantly worse area attack He's got the exact same area attack user, Lightning just has the advantage of having elements to choose from while Luneth is stuck with his weapon's element (still not a bad thing)
Landon Brown
>but they're all base 5* units. The most important point right there. Doesn't seem like they are even any easier to pull at all.
Landon Taylor
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Levi Lopez
>worse defenses He's got more HP and DEF than Lightning, what are you on about? They're pretty much even defensively, you're literally making things up at this point.
Chase Peterson
Yeah, you do. It's only like a phoenix down or crystals, but still worth doing at some point.
Zachary Smith
I keep thinking that Zell did squats in FF8. Am I thinking of something else?
David Sullivan
Luneth has the same AoE skill as Lightning does, just with a different name. And that of course is with his higher ATK.
Luke Hughes
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David Cook
Pretty sure Zell's thing was shadowboxing.
Gabriel Lee
Fuck that, I'm going back to the Chocobos. I have more crystal than I could possibly want.
Ethan Collins
Probably, it's been many years since I last replayed that.
Jonathan Gomez
Zell just threw bread at you.
John Cook
> this right here is just false Could have sworn one of the really good 6*s was a 4* base, but maybe I'm wrong there. Worst case, there are banners with comparable characters and multiple of them means an overall better chance of pulling something good. Even then, there are a number of non-5* base characters available right now that, while not as good, can still hold up really well at that point. Too many people make her out as some sort of super unit that you'll require to do things when she really isn't. Unless you really like her, it's not worth wasting too much lapis on. (For her original banner anyways, maybe later banners with her and other good units would be worth it)
Considering how much of this was called out, the only real benefit she seems to have is innate dual wield. Honestly, with how many unique events global has given, I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a chance at certain good abilities like that without TM farming down the line.
Typically shadowboxing, but I recall him doing squats at least once.
Zachary Lee
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Justin Watson
Luneth also has the better 6* passive, at least in my opinion. He's immune to all status ailments that stop him from ripping things apart (Petrify, Paralyze, Blind, Confuse). Lightning's gives her 30% evasion against physical attacks.
>Could have sworn one of the really good 6*s was a 4* base, but maybe I'm wrong there There are a couple like Tilith and Refia, but none of the actual physical attackers that match or beat Lightning (and would thus outclass her) are 4* base or lower.
Jacob Flores
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Christian Ortiz
A new level of autism. Congrats.
Logan Hughes
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Logan Brown
Eh. I feel the same way about Kuja and Beatrix. And I fed my kujas to other characters. I really, really like rats.
Ayden Gonzalez
>"Hey. Settle down." >"They gave me some new Materia, I can't wait to use it!" >"Just like a Chicken-Wuss..."
Anthony Nelson
>I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a chance at certain good abilities like that without TM farming down the line Considering how much they neutered our odds of getting Zidane, I think they know how good Dual Wield is and they probably won't be as generous as you think.
Xavier Walker
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Camden Hall
>There are a couple like Tilith and Refia Ah. That does bring up something, I hope they start working with mage units soon.
True, but they have been giving us a lot of really good gear and other stuff. I mean, we're up to what, 6-7 global exclusive pieces of gear where a chunk of it is going to be useful for months on end?
Adam Mitchell
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Juan Williams
He does pushups in one scene in Galbadia Garden IIRC
James Thompson
>I hope they start working with mage units soon There's Exdeath and he's base 3* to boot.
Gabriel Davis
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Mason Watson
>Doing a fuckton of Chocopocalypse >Decides to finally finish Chapter 2 to get the cap boost to not let the huge EXP go to waste >Comes back, stage I've been farming for the whole event kicks my shit
What the fuck happened, just finishing chapter two increased difficulty?!
Chase Phillips
I mean when you look at potential. Exdeath and Kefka both are pretty good as mages, but their top potential isn't anywhere close to what physical characters can achieve. I do hope we get a banner with Exdeath on it soon though, I'd like a chance at both him and Bartz.
Kevin Myers
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Zachary Bell
You can prep/spam defend for Bartz. Kaiser Dragon can decide to not shift to lightning/water until 5+ shifts later. That eats up buff time.
Christian Bailey
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Hunter Garcia
Yeah, check the achievements in etc to know exactly what
Cameron Hill
>A fucking Crystal Wow. Amazing. Well, I got my answer at least. Thank you both.
Jordan Brooks
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Zachary Nelson
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John Moore
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Gavin Gonzalez
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Hudson Myers
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Jayden Hughes
I forget, was it FFV where moogles were first introduced?