/domg/ - Dominions General

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Return of Sheep posting Edition

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Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.

The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.

It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.

Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

Our work-in-progress wiki
dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

Our pastebin
pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm

Dom4 Manual
jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

Play by email guide:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod.html

Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is kill.

THE BASICS
Read the manual
Read the wiki
Read the pastebin
Watch some LPs by Maerlande or NuclearMonkee
Jump into MP feet first
Do bully Elves

Submit completed games here:
docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform

Results Here:
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moddb.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/ma-ermor-strategies
llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NEETONLY
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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

First for Dominions 4 laughing at all your experience with RTS/4X and forcing you to relearn everything.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Oh, you potato-drinking doggy piece of shit.

Nojokur
Nojokur

veekyforums.com/thread/155059765/video-games
Stop pretending to be me you shit.

MPmaster
MPmaster

What's that? An impersonator?

massdebater
massdebater

My normie life makes me unable to take my turn right now. I'll need 12 more hours if possible.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

What is the hardest you've ever been memed on?

Soft_member
Soft_member

APOYO DE LOS MAGOS

DeathDog
DeathDog

what

Nojokur
Nojokur

What's up with all these sheep?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Just kiwi's posting their gfs.

girlDog
girlDog

Modnation game when?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Gents if you're going to impersonate me at least capitalise the fucking T lol

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

The thing that always amazes me about these is how ridiculously one sided the losses are. One would think that with THAT many ice devils (and the research required to summon them) that Niefelheim would be able to, y'know, kill things. I mean shit, 19 storm demons alone should be able to kill more than 4 chaff units, considering that they do 19 AN damage when buffed and that you can't give more than 5 lightning resistance.

Anyways, I'm just going to assume that the problem was that Niefel brought 5 goats. Goats are just always a bad sign, unless you have a bunch of charm casters lined up to snag that fire dragon.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Fucking chads.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

If I capture a citadel on one of the realms besides Elysium in CoE 4, will that keep me alive if I lose all my citadels including the starting one on Elysium?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Pretty sure if you lose THE starting citadel it's instant game over. Just like losing all your commanders.

Illusionz
Illusionz

how and why

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

74 druids

Methshot
Methshot

Demon Cleansing and basically every single battlefield enchant Fomoria could cast. Because it was my first game.

whereismyname
whereismyname

So I thought I sent off my admin password in the in game message but I guess some 2h file fuckery happened or I just accidentally reset my turn before sending or something. How should I transfer badmin rights to you securely?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Someone is bumping from an inferior agricultural community.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

start up Steam
Oh, there's a new message? It's from /v/anheim
Lambert raging because some idiot deleted a server that people were playing on
Business as usual among the identityfags, I see.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Are Fomorian Warriors actual worth recruiting?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Admin, do something already, you useless prick.

Techpill
Techpill

yes

do not fall for the bless giants trap

Skullbone
Skullbone

Why not just more Fir Bolgs?

Emberburn
Emberburn

I think you just need to have one citadel anywhere, but it's been a while since I played and I never did much with other realms.

WebTool
WebTool

Be polite, admining is a thankless job.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

It's a thankless job because you did fuck all, you maggot.

First using a bugged version of summod, now allowing shitters to stale.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I'm not that admin you dumb fuck

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You're a dumb fuck, dumb fuck.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

why do tiger riders and white one swordsmen have the same resource cost in summod? both have the same gear kit but tiger rider has a tiger

also the royal swordsmen cost more resources than an elephants despite having the same gear kit

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I assume since they ride the tigers bareback and they don't have any barding

massdebater
massdebater

ded and deder

Flameblow
Flameblow

Fuck you Ermor.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I can chat in Steam, if you're around.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Did someone wish for armageddon?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

So was Atlantis a total noob then?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Why yes i am

Methshot
Methshot

Reminder: Abysia must be destroyed or the game is already over.

Rus is AI and Mari and Abysia are allies, so it's even worse than it looks.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Shut your cock holster you goddamn waterelf. Abysia was saying that you wanted to gank my shit and you probably pussied out once you saw me hold my own against Rus while you did jack shit. and then you put 15 or so PD on the provinces you used "to move" and never even gave me back the gold. Never trust elves.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Weren't you gonna post actual graphs?

Or did you have something to hide after all.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I wouldn't trust him even if he posted them, theres photoshop n GIMP you know

Snarelure
Snarelure

What's your username on Steam?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Cirno, why?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

t. Abysia

Now that you reminded me, I'll post them soon babycakes.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Fibs

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Here's gem income.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Not that it was needed given the map, but still important to see in this form: Provinces.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Disregard the memer, it's Orion

RumChicken
RumChicken

Bah forgot the image.

Evilember
Evilember

Income. The dip is due to Ulm's efforts fighting off Abysia and my attack last turn.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Army size.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Would it improve the single player experience/the AI in multiplayer any if there was a way to offer it gem trades or item trades? Assuming of course it would only take reasonable trades

takes2long
takes2long

Only if there was a chance for it to accept the trade and not hold up its end.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

note the army size is because abysia(malakal) is a fucking cheater and abused the broken abysian xbreeding that scaled with an extra 10 units per extra level giving him 4 billion dudes per cast

farquit
farquit

If I'm sieging a fort and I move an adjacent army onto the fort to join the siege, will their reduction strength get subtracted from the fort's defense immediately next turn or do I have to use one turn to move them and another turn to make them siege?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

every summod game
"oh god there's a game breaking bug"

host a game without it
no summod I won't join

JunkTop
JunkTop

Realm of Roaring Scrubs Pan, are you around? I want to discuss your proposal.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I want ragha to take his turn
and take a fucking double this time

Inmate
Inmate

If I can't abuse a game breaking bug, it's not worth it.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Why is that sheep covered with marijuana?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

It's a seaslug that looks like a sheep

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

This one must be for the mer-welshmen.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I-is it bad if I actually liked that bug?

I wish all thrones had something like that.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Atlantis, UW dome isn't over yet. Return to the sea now

whereismyname
whereismyname

Push them back into the deep.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I will since he took my land to leave. Bad move on his part since I have a very angry jew stack right next to it

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

No turns for a few hours
3 turns in 10-15 minutes
Glad you got off work user.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Thinking about starting WAGESLAVEGAME where turns are a bit longer (36-48 hours in early game) to allow us fuckwits with a life to not stale.

would compensate by having staling twice be an AI-ing.

Would anyone be interested?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

actually I just got done cleaning out my entire house for an appraiser

WebTool
WebTool

As a full time person, I have no problem with 24 hour turns

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

48 hours for the first 10 turns

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

it would, admittedly, be a game for a small part of DOMG/vanheim. I love the game, but I have found myself in situations where 24+ hours go by without seeing a computer. I can't imagine I'm the only one who would have IRL troubles taking a turn.

stalers, of course, wouldn't be tolerated.

also work on the fucking wiki.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

work

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

you, in particular, go update the wiki.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I'd rather take it easy. Don't you know that work is death?

hairygrape
hairygrape

the germans, as they always do, said it best, most succinctly.

"Arbeit macht frei"
Work will set you free.

so go work on the wiki.

Supergrass
Supergrass

""""concentrate"""" on the wiki, if you will

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

That time of the day.

Game: TheBiggestFattestMeme
Atlantis Waiting for 2h file

Game: GinnungagapREBIRTH
Atlantis Waiting for 2h file

5mileys
5mileys

Atleast first pbem is 5 minutes from auto-hosting

cum2soon
cum2soon

his tutor dies
suffers the same attack
survives
takes on the mantle and becomes the Mighty Knight himself

This is almost poetical.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Question, when one say you can thug with skratti and Pans, do they mean like against under 10 pd? I'm just not sure what buffs to give them to get this to work. Quicken Self and Liquid body on the skratti? And Pans in general have eluded me on what to use their battle magic for.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Sum1's Scrubs- /domg/:
EA Mictlan, MA Pelagia
No idea where this clever strategy is going, to be honest. It's two lategame titans, one of which is also solid in the early and midgame but relies on a bless, and also relies on being in EA so will be worse against all ages. Will it be a bless build? Mictlan needs that to even approach their full potential. But Pelagia has no real use for it, their only sacred units are aquatic cap only and they don't even have good commanders for it, really. Am I missing something?

Supergrass
Supergrass

I might be interested. I can manage faster games, but I wouldn't mind one where everyone can take their time. I should probably be spending less time on Dominions and more on actual work anyway.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Apparently, yes.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Pelagia is fairly map dependent, but is by far the best nation at UW combat if there are connected seas. Taking that is basically denying the ability for any other team to pick a water nation without being at serious risk of getting rushed, especially given that the Mictlan pick lets everyone know that these knights will be packing a big bless. It seems like it would be better suited as a counter pick to something like EA Atlantis or MA R'lyeh, but picking it first basically makes those nations rush bait unless their seas are isolated from Pelagia's.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

My guess is Pelagia plans on dominating the entire ocean with gigabless and then providing remote support to the others with gazillion pearls. As you've said they're definitely gunning for lategame.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

EA mictlan

QUADBLESS

they are fucking doing it!

TechHater
TechHater

thinking about how many memes community clash will spark
realize they can't post screens of what happened every turn because it'd give out info to other parties

Dominions sucks as a sport to watch desu

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

The problem is the map is undecided as of yet, no one has seen it. If MA Pelagia is the only UW nation (possible, as no one wants to play into that) they'll probably get relegated to something like a 12-15 province pond at most.

JunkTop
JunkTop

What happened to that disciples natgen thingy going on? I'm about to finish 2 games (or rather get finished) and need something fun to play.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

and that's allright. they can just let mictlan be the big one. you don't need all players to be equally big, in fact you could even end up with one player only owning a capital for recruiting his cap only mages and going to construction 8 + some low paths for turning his cap only mages into SCs.

they can take an S9 and with a broken bless still make it seful early game while being broken lategame.
quadbless mictlan also runs the risk of being domkilled, but you can't get domkilled easily if pelagia is building candles in the ocean.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

No, that isn't alright. You just left EA Mictlan (who no one wants to see reach lategame) an ally down. It's pretty hard for Mictlan to be the big one when they're dead.

Picking rushbait+can't help fight off rush is the second most questionable decision made so far (still not beating EA Abysia ban though).

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Do you really consider tribless Mictlan to be rush bait?

takes2long
takes2long

They're quite clearly running a bless strat, which means that they're almost certainly going to pick a third bless nation. I mean, yes, if they pick Berytos they're probably going to get rushed, but most other big bless nations take it to fight early.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Dem Quadbless Aquatic Knights
THE SEAS WILL BELONG TO /DOMG/

RumChicken
RumChicken

Mictlan's sacreds aren't that impressive on a per-unit basis.

Their big advantage over other sacreds is rec-anywhere, and early on you'll only have your capital.

If you're going to fight Mictlan, it'll be easier the earlier in the game you do it.

Emberburn
Emberburn

If I put archers with different range weapons in one squad and tell them to fire closest, will they all move together or will each individual simply get into range of his own weapon and then fire?

girlDog
girlDog

The latter.

More interestingly, though, they all will always target the same squad, so if that squad starts moving away, it's possible that your shorter range guys will engage in melee while your longer range guys keep shooting.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

t. Lambert

happy_sad
happy_sad

Check out NoBully for that kind of game. 5 months in and turn 78

RumChicken
RumChicken

LOL thats it? Half my land is post Asphodel deadlands so thats a retarded comparison, my army is 90% wolves and crossbreds of no combat value and I cant even use the gems productively what with only having F mages in abundance. When you look at income you see how weak I really am.

All in all you are full of shit.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

You guys just never got rushed by a hord of Triple blessed lictors.

If I was in the /v/anheim team, the Ermor will be the pretender but not disciple, so everyone get heavily massed freespwans undead and some elite sacred cavaly. This will be a great buff for Lemuria as disciple with Ermor as pretender for the ghost are sucks.

But what is the truly horror of the Ashen Empire?

Let us stated a game with MA Ermor, we have a D2 spectator at the start, let him summon another spectator and it cost our 9 D gems, nevermind, we have 15d income per turn, so we should let that D2 mage summon more of his kind to our world until we have 5, including the first one.

While the first spectator was busy to summon undead mages, the others should started to research Constrcution to level 2, and with 10 rp per mages(in magic 1 dom), we can complete the study work late Fall in the first year.

At this point we have more than 50 d gems in our lab, spend it all and forged 5 black laurel for each spectator, and stated to summon 15 lictors per turn with you 15d income, soon you will have hundreds of lictors with let's say N9D9B9 blessing, that is the dreadful horror you got and you should swarm the first neighbor you met with that.

Fuck the magic and no army could stand up to your legion.

If you don't buy it just try it yourself.

And to /v/anheim, should we nap3?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

more than twice the gem income of the 2nd strongest
twice the number of provinces of the 2nd strongest
2nd in gold income before Ulm started sieging Machaka

'I'm really weak'

If Malakal wins yet another game with such obvious diplomancing, even with Eyes of God up and graphs being posted in the thread regularly, he'll prove beyond all doubt that /domg/ is shit.

Looking forward to that.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

he'll prove beyond all doubt that /domg/ is shit
Does that even need additional proof?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yea MA Abysia is the powerhouse that can win from behind on gold with gems alone. I look forward to that.

takes2long
takes2long

AllMAlakalGamesAreMemeGames

Spamalot
Spamalot

Not really, no. It'll be a nice, clear example, though.

TechHater
TechHater

Fuck off, cux47.

JunkTop
JunkTop

T. Malaclock

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

from behind
Do you just kinda assume that everyone in your game is a retard?

Methshot
Methshot

Isn't that true, though?

Flameblow
Flameblow

I just copied his post to make fun of it

Booteefool
Booteefool

I know, I'm just memeing. Cheers.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I cant even use the gems productively what with only having F mages in abundance

Mother Oak up for more than a year

*cough cough*

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

He also has Archdevils and Vampire Lords out.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Here's how it works
a medium to large player gets gangbanged
one of the gangbangers gets the lion's share of the territory
said gangbanger is now very strong
"We should all attack him or we will loose"
everyone agrees
nobody does it
if a player does it, he gets backstabbed by his neighbors
the gangbanger ends up winning the game

Every single /domg/ game ever.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I have never betrayed or backstabbed anyone.
Never won a game either tho.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

The two are very much related.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Thats more or less how it went this game.

hurr durr Asphodel is allied to Ermor
hurr durr Abysia halp us kill Asphodel, I am invading him from the north t. Ys
hurr durr Ys does fuckall, have to kill Asphodel myself with Man
few turns later hurr durr guys Abysia is runaway xboxhuge lets kill him

Firespawn
Firespawn

This made me think this strawpoll is relevant:
strawpoll.me/11270529

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Muh malakal muh 10+ wins.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Ulm was in on it too. In hindsight I should probably just have focused on Ulm or Man to do as much damage as I could instead of splitting into 3 (later 4) extremely weak fronts.

I dunno what the fuck was up with Ys, I expected way more so I rerouted troops from other fronts and suddenly there are like 10 sacreds and maybe 20 troops meekly taking 1PD provinces along the coast. I don't think we had a single battle.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I won, yay!
Who says you need research to win?
Later today I'll do a post mortem.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

And if I did not win you would have to deal with my Vengeful waters, I started spamming temples 8 turns ago, so attacking me would prove quite difficult.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

And burden of Time, because why not?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Hurr durr muh banter
I'm not even in that game, but stop memeing around.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I'm not even in that game
Then shut the fuck up.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Congrats, user.

Fuck off.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Never considered this before. How viable is a quadbless cancerscales moctlan pretender in disciple games with disciples that can't blood sacrifice?

FastChef
FastChef

Do boosters count for magic site research?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Yes.

Boosters count for everything except magic duel.

Inmate
Inmate

Sounds neat.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Ritual of Rebirth!

RavySnake
RavySnake

You should've redone the entire text instead of just the final line.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Wasn't my OC (I'm totally inept at drawing so I couldn't have made the elf ears anyway), I just posted random stuff from my Dominions folder to bump the thread

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Does Mind Hunt reveal the nationality of the attacker? Can't seem to remember if it does in the message or not.

girlDog
girlDog

Isn't it just the province?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Remember to vote in both of those:

I'll make graphs explaining /domg/'s population when they get some more votes (i'm almost done with the first one, but would prefer waiting until 50 votes).

strawpoll.de/xrasfas

strawpoll.me/11270529

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

how many games are you in
0.
how many games did you win
6.Against AI.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

How many games did you win

I hope you realize this is a pretty silly question to ask, especially since the answers are anonymous. You go in a room with 10 people who play games together. These guys have played 10 games. The answer will always be 10 wins and 90 losses, it gives literally no insight on anything.

RavySnake
RavySnake

The Win/Loss ratio should be more interesting.

TechHater
TechHater

There's a difference between one guy winning 10 games and 10 guys winning one game.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Yes but since they are different polls you can't make a connection between the guy with 1 win in 100 games or the guy with 10 wins in 20 games. You'll just get raw numbers not meaning anything.

MPmaster
MPmaster

join NEETONLY
One of the first players to join is about to stale his first turn

SniperWish
SniperWish

implying im not a wageslave who joined just to spite you faggots

Nobody deserves to have fun while I'm out at work.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Atlantis reminder to back the fuck off?!

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Come on fags I wanna join Team Kneecap-busters.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Really? Should I REALLY make it again saying "MP"? I don't really know whether or not you are memeing me.

Anyway 6 victories against the AI is something to be proud of, considering how slow paced and boring those games are, how could you endure it?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Nah, I didn't answer.

Since I won 6 games out of 25.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

how could you endure it?
make a 1v1 game on a small map
take a nation that has a decent early game
win before the first year is over

idontknow
idontknow

Yeah, well. Not all our guys play all of our games.

As you say, the amount of games in domg should be equal to the total of games won in the strawpoll. BUT I'm pretty sure not all of us play only in this board, and a lot of people playing our game don't even browse domg.

Also anyway even if that was true, I'm more interested in the distribution of victories, not the total of games or some shit.
So if we get a lot of 5+ victories players, this would be a non-very-newbie-friendly community, since the guys who win games tend to win games again and so.
Also we could have a lot of 1, 2 or 3 victories players, which means we also have games that newbies can win. This is in general, the results will be studied further.

Spamalot
Spamalot

What that user means is that if we get 1 10-wins vote and 9 0-wins vote is one thing, and having 10 1-win votes is other different thing.

Total and distribution isn't the same. I want to know how are the wins distributed, not how many of them there are.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Nah, better.

take the smallest map
take 9 dominions
spam temples everywhere
win without even needing to attack.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

The results are going to be super unreliable anyway, even if you assume nobody is lying about their wins.

For example, I've won 5 games (not counting memegames and blitzes), but I've been playing this game for 3 years so it's not like I'm winning games left and right. Someone who's only been here for a couple of months who's won the same number of games as me is probably a much better player overall.

King_Martha
King_Martha

9 dominoes
Why stop there? Why not 10 with awake stealth pretender and nation with recruit-able H2/H3.

Someone should make an experiment and see what's the least amount of possible turns necessary to win against AI.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Let's say 1 every 5 guys lie. So what about it? This isn't a science magazine, just a random strawpoll in an anonymous board. And I won't even put it in a newspaper anyway.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

custom map with only 2 provinces
pick a nation with a strong starting army
take max dominion and an awake pretender
win in 4 turns

w8t4u
w8t4u

I'm gonna post it in other Dom4 communities so you niggas better lie if you don't want to embarrass yourselves.

RumChicken
RumChicken

kek

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What's it like being illiterate in this day and age?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Go away, Cirno, your maths burger degree means nothing. Study it in Europe if you want it to be worth something.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Your poll is dumb and your waifu is shit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

A while ago we were talking about la man's extreme vulnerability to magic duel, and loss of ros. Here is my idea to fix that:

Change the guaranteed s1 on magistrate arcane to 2 50% chances at s1. Drop s1 from their randoms. 1/4 of mages will be immune, they get better e and a access, and still good s access and communion potential.

Spamalot
Spamalot

S6 Base with a -5S pathboost on the magister shape

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Just give up now

Emberfire
Emberfire

No.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Is that a joke?
And then peasants are extremely fucking powerful.

TechHater
TechHater

Hey, just for fun, make him a thug and post a screen of your pimped peasant.

Supergrass
Supergrass

In summod, peasants turn into dragons when they die.

SniperWish
SniperWish

do I look like a meme to you?

happy_sad
happy_sad

protection 26
leadership 2
already an affliction
Holy shit.
My sides have passed the moon and are moving toward Mars.

What if you give him a taskmaster whip?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

the affliction is feeblemind from the slave collar

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You put a slave collar on him? Why?

requires five virgins to build
What a waste of good virgins.

Illusionz
Illusionz

free event.

also you don't seriously think this is a saved thug right? I'm keeping that equipment stored in my lab fucker

Flameblow
Flameblow

You can't take the collar off, I checked.

That was a good laugh anyway.
I didn't even know you could pimp soldiers.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

you don't understand either. i didn't save the turn i did this in. power of closing a game window

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Haaa. Clever.

Then again, I don't think you would put a collar on a commander.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Curses.

Emberburn
Emberburn

i wont play a pbem without it!

whereismyname
whereismyname

That remember me an old game I used to play where one of the basic unit was some shitty lizard/salamander thing that turned into a fucking dragon upon reaching level 10.

Dragon Keeper, something like that. I miss that game. I never managed to unlock the secret torture scene with the Lords.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Dungeon Keeper, you fuck.

How can you even forget that?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I haven't played it for more than 15 years, dude.

TechHater
TechHater

Neither have I, but I have a functioning memory.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Cool story, grandpa.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I'm not the one with alzheimers.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I'm 21. Make the math and calculate how old I was when I played it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

being older than 15
still playing Dominions
kek

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

being underage
Rule number : 2 : You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

How old is that in Abyssian years?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Premature dementia is a terrible thing.

I'm so sorry.

Emberburn
Emberburn

t. Maerlande

Playboyize
Playboyize

want to take a break from Dominions, but don't want to go AI or look for replacements
I guess I should just start blindly attacking people so I get removed faster.

iluvmen
iluvmen

just start chainstaling
ez

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

That's a good plan, bu there's one problem: I'm not a faggot.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Just send messages to other players calling them faggots, disgusting eye-lickers, cunts, idols and scrubs.

In a few turns you'll find everyone's dicks stuck between your asscheeks.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I now want to do a game where I do diplomacy as normal, except I also just add insults to all of my messages.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I never played online because I'm too lazy to, but if I did, I would spend 95% of my time sending messages and 5% losing.

DeathDog
DeathDog

You play just single player? Like, actually? Is that fun for you?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Yeah.

Mostly because I'm still learning the ropes. How to use mages, what to research, how to script smartly...
The AI is just a sparring partner to be honest. Usually I don't even have to fight it, it dies from not having enough Dominion.

Skullbone
Skullbone

That's gonna take a while then.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Oh my.

TechHater
TechHater

autists write pages of shit
never read a single line

JunkTop
JunkTop

Someone post DG updates for this turn please.

w8t4u
w8t4u

That's exactly what happened.

FastChef
FastChef

Write that
Read over again before ending turn
taht every ancestral spirit

How much swearing do you think there was?

Nojokur
Nojokur

We diplo now?

Bidwell
Bidwell

hangman of LAteToTheParty
???

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Excellent

Illusionz
Illusionz

Ulmish scout
This is a blue board, for fuck's sake.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Nice.

5mileys
5mileys

summod
MA Abysia having more chaff than MA Ermor
balance mod
balance

All summod suporters have to be shot.

massdebater
massdebater

You better watch your tongue, kafir pig.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Literally all summod supporters are either total newbies or cheaters exploiting broken mechanics.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Abysia doesn't have all his neighbors on his ass.

likme
likme

What is Pan thinking right now?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Good taste.

Supergrass
Supergrass

He's probably thinking of lesbians.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Old paintings are amazing.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I wish I was home ploughing maenad nymphos, this dead fish act takes out all the fun from rape

JunkTop
JunkTop

Time for a post-mortem.
Pretender
W9 is obvious
I went dormant because this version of summod had AoE Quickness which is bonkers on a W9 caster. Every cast 9 squares of units get double attacks and +3 attack and +3 defence. The defence bonus stacks with the +4 defence from the minor bless so quickened blessed centaurs are pretty much unkillable in melee. I also like W9 because you can cast vengeful waters, one of my favorite globals on a nation with 200 gold temples.

Dominion 8 - wanted access to a lot of centaurs, since they are pretty strong. I was also hoping to cast Vengeful waters and a strong dominion helps.

Order 3 - first time trying Order on Pangaea, I guess it was ok? I relied a lot more on revelers than meanads.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I literally wrote the whole thing in one go, so if I made any typos, I was leaving them in
He actually didn't read any of it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

On turn 13 my expansion phase has ended with 18 provinces, second only to Xibalba. Very close in income to Xibalba. Everyone else seems to have barely hit 12 provinces by now.

On turn 14 I attack C'tis straight away, no point in me waiting around/researching, I doubt C'tis has enough to stop me.

Dumb things C'tis has done
1. He was building a fort on our border with something like 30 PD, with no army backup.
2. He went down evocations since I saw his mages cast Sleep Cloud.
3. AI before we even had a battle.

I was expecting empoisoners ruining my day and him bursting out with skelespam once he hits Enchantment 5, but instead he scrubs out.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I can confirm TNN didnt even read a line of it.
And I didn't read it all even if it got posted a lot of times

Sorry.

cum2soon
cum2soon

By turn 20 C'tis was pretty much dead and his meager 12 provinces were soon mine.

Once I cleared his remaining armies I looked to the south. Asphodel was warring Mictlan and Mictlan was losing. Mictlan went some strange scales build and I saw no jaguars/eagle warriors so to surprise of no one he was being trashed.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I knew Asphodel had only 1 fort, so once I took his capital it was a matter of time before it was game over for him. Since C'tis was AI I decided sieging him out was a lower priority than killing off Asphodel while he was occupied with Mictlan.

I would have a 2-front attack, my pretender casting quickness + Pans with Wooden Warriors + Swarm + Maws of Earth would march for the capital while all reinforcements would try to tie up his forces near Mictlan.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

had 1/31 of the amount of enemies
did better
I mean, yeah.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

5 turns later everything went according to plan. Asphodel put up a fight before I sieged, so my centaurs were not forced to go through the narrow passage of a fort.

Asphodel cast Foul Vapours but simply did not have enough chaff to stop my revelers and White Centaurs from murdering everything. He had 10-15 Dryads which just stealthed away. Perhaps the battle would look a lot differently if he had given those dryads Death gems to cast HoS.
Alas, it was a victory for Pangaea. Asphodel was mine.

Evilember
Evilember

Even worse than on Mictlan. It's probably tribless.

That and they can spam ozelotls.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Using Archbishops is more cost efficient than black laurels in the long run.

Also, Ermor won't be the pretender unless they're going 100% death, which I doubt because yeah, there's Lemuria, but who would be the third death nation?

And to /v/anheim, should we nap3?
trying to do diplomacy to the point of using acronyms
Fuck off cuck.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Summod is a mod of Peace

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

As of turn 31 things were looking good for me, unfortunately Asphodel made all of their lands cancerlands so not much income was gained from that.

My next concern was bats. I have started mass-producing dryads for a while to try and disrupt his doomstacks while my forces were busy in the south.
I have also started going for Mechanical Militia to make his warding less effective. And water bottles to counter any counter-dryad shenanigans.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I still find it funny, considering the team, that people think Ermor was ever the disciple.
To be fair, most people don't know the story behind the /v/anheim team
W-what's the story?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Holy double faggot, that map looks good.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

how many games are you in
no option for zero
I only do one game at a time, so it's only natural that sometimes I'm in none, in the between times.

Techpill
Techpill

If I twiceborn one of my heroes and he dies, can I no longer use ritual of rebirth to revive him?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Somewhere around turn 36 Xibalba and Agartha attacks me. I have mechanical militia ready and plenty of dryads with nature gems.

Against Agartha I just use my armies, since they were already there. He says he wants to take care of TC and that I can have the throne.

Xibalba marches for my capital with a doomstack of mages with water bottles.

2 turns of
pic related
and Xibalba goes AI.

Inmate
Inmate

implying it won't be Ermor as the pretender with Lemuria and EA R'lyeh as disciples

RavySnake
RavySnake

Using Archbishops is more cost efficient than black laurels in the long run.
Eventually, yeah, and in a giant game like this one that's how you'd do it.

In a normal game, though, you can expect people to try to rush you. You need to be able to field more combat power quickly, and laurels let you get out a LOT more lictors. Even if you dedicate a set number of gems per turn to lictor production, it actually takes the archbishops a very, very long time to catch up to spectators with laurels.

idontknow
idontknow

EA R'lyeh without gold
Is this another chapter of "le bot face"?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Latus when? No one's joined in a while.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You have to shill it harder.

llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Latus_4_the_Early_Era_Meme_War

viagrandad
viagrandad

Looking for a sub or replacement for a turn1 TNN stale.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Once I got the UW throne of Xibalba and with the throne Agartha ceded I had everything I needed to win. So I went for the win.

Map from the end of the game.

My impression of players:
Arco 0/10 - did not attack anyone for 50 turns, maybe scuttled a bit with Ermor. Finally attacked me on the 53rd turn.
Ermor 0/10 - Got rekt by Marignon, not much to say here.
Marignon 4/10 - Destroyed Ermor and then proceeded to do nothing for 20 turns. I think he was planning on backstabbing Xibalba.
Mictlan 1/10 - Bad pretender choice and was swiftly killed by Asphodel.
Tien'Chi 6/10 - One of the players that actually went to war early-ish, but it took him a long time to kill off Bandar Log. Ended up being gang up on in a 2v1.
Agartha 5/10 - Even though he was warned by Xibalba about my dryads he proceeds to lose 4k+ gold in commanders to dryads. Good effort for diplomonstering Tien'Chi and I suppose Bandar.
C'tis 0/10 - AI'd before we even fought. Bad choice of province for building a fort and research goals. Probably a new player.
Asphodel 8/10 - Successful war against Mictlan , I think the fight with Asphodel was the closest battle I had. Unfortunately he did not have enough to stop me.
Bandar 6/10 - Props for staying alive so long in a 2v1, if I am not mistaken he had a crazy bless which allowed him to stay alive for so long.
Ashdod 0/10 - Did absolutely nothing for 40 turns after expanding except for shaving a few provinces here and there. After 40 turns he finally attacked Tien'Chi in a 2v1.
Xibalba dryaded/10 - A very good expansion but AI'd after getting dryaded in our war. He should have attacked me earlier.

King_Martha
King_Martha

What exactly is fixed in this version of Latus?

FastChef
FastChef

Maybe you should restart the game if it's still turn 2. I have a hunch the player joined to sabotage the game to begin with and might have taken deliberately awful pretender.

JunkTop
JunkTop

tfw we all knew this would happen

Supergrass
Supergrass

Just start, 12 players is plenty.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Valanis is one of the best-looking maps in the game, although there are some valid balance concerns. I'd still happily play on it, though. I'm a sucker for cave networks.

TechHater
TechHater

I'm not as good at algebra as I thought I was, because I'm trying to come up with an equation to find out when it would be more efficient, and I'm pretty stumped.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Fortunately, someone already did the math. It's in that big tribless MA Ermor blog, if I'm not mistaken.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

moddb.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/ma-ermor-strategies

MPmaster
MPmaster

He was one of the first to join. That's a bizarre thought.

I can always reset and reopen, though.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

so yeah, break even point in lictor count is turn 41 (by which point the game is usually decided), BUT once past there Archbishops become MUCH better VERY quickly

That said, the laurel strat also gets you front-loaded lictor numbers, which really does matter

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

That's if you're using all of your cap income and only cap income though. It makes sense that in a disciple game, you'd funnel all the D to Ermor. And aside from a site searcher or two, this Ermor is probably going to be lictor production only.

DeathDog
DeathDog

The more gems/turn you dedicate to lictor production, the longer it takes archbishops to catch up, but this is a pointless argument anyways since we both agree that archbishops are going to be better given the absurd time frame that we should expect from a 33 player game

TreeEater
TreeEater

The break even point is turn 18. One spectator with a black Laurel costs 22 gems, and produces 3 lictors a turn for 3 gems.

This is equal to 3 archbishops, which cost 69 gems.

So, we have 69 = 3x + 22.

Subtract 22 from each side, and you get 47=3x. Divide 47 by 3 to solve for X, and X=17.667

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

gg I was too afraid to attack Pan early due to me having an exposed position in the middle of the map.

Was hoping water bottles, amulets of gayness and stealth would save me from the dryadening but it didn't work.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Ozelotl research may come early, but getting the slaves to pull it off in significant numbers generally takes longer.

It's an important reason to take a bless, but unlikely to be a major factor in a rush.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

That's when they catch up in terms of production. Now add in the lictors that are already produced

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

so guys, in a team game if a disciple's dom is killed does he die or is it tied to the whole team's dom?

RumChicken
RumChicken

all team has the same dominion, same candles, so there is no such a thing as 'disciple's dom'.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

It's tied to the whole team's dominion

Playboyize
Playboyize

Also if you die as a pretender, your disciples can be alive even if it's your dominion and you are dead. The gmae even shows your dominion in the graphs.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

So, since you can apparently equip units individually...

Has anyone tried to forge 150 bane blades and equip his army with them?

cum2soon
cum2soon

you can't. If you still haven't figured it out the peasent even the snek dude was posting starts as a commander

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

You can equip only commanders

Also no, because summoned wights have bane blades already (and cold aura and good armor)

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I never got a commander peasant.

Dang, too bad.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

So I know that Disciple priests set to 'call god' call their pretender. Does this option just go away if the pretender's whole nation is dead?

FastChef
FastChef

If you could individually equip units Ulm could do some pretty interesting things

Illusionz
Illusionz

Not to mention equipping feebleminding bows to your units.

TechHater
TechHater

Join
llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NEETONLY

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I should have greened
Their big advantage over other sacreds
for clarity, that's what I was referring to.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Uh, so I was Helheim in the last game and didn't notice you restarting. Can I have it back or what?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Question: Should Mictlan ever be the pretender? Unless I'm mistaken, the lack of dominion spreading is a dom effect, meaning it comes from pretender and thus putting Mictlan in the throne is a bad idea, whereas the blood sac is a nation effect, so they get it regardless (and their disciples don't regardless).

SniperGod
SniperGod

That's actually potentially advantageous.

With Tri/quad Mictlan as the Pretender, you can churn out ridiculous sacreds without completely shitting all over the scales of your holdings.

Nojokur
Nojokur

RTFM IDIOTS

hairygrape
hairygrape

Hey guys I discovered the sum1scrub pretender.

Hands down the best quadbless.

Well, they could have gone demilich and got one scale in exchange for a point of domstrength, and a death bless in exchange for one of these other better ones. But I'd call that the inferior choice.

Or they could be just going tribless and have up to ten scales

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Yes. I don't think I kicked you anyways.

DeathDog
DeathDog

"read the manual that is notoriously outdated"

hairygrape
hairygrape

YES DO IT YOU IDIOT. IT CLEARLY SAYS THE DOMINION EFFECT ONLY AFFECTS MICTLAN ITSELF. GUESS ILLWINTER CHANGED IT FOR NO REASON EH

FUCKING SCRUBS I SWEAR ON ME MOM

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Sorry Captain Caps Lock, I don't read capitals. Use proper punctuation or don't bother posting.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Alright, nevermind, I just checked and it seems I still have Helheim. Thought maybe someone managed to pilfer Helheim from me while I wasn't aware of the restart.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Live!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

For those talking about Mictlan -
I haven't tested it with a Mictlan Disciple, but the temples of Pretender!Mictlan don't spread dom while the disciple's do.

Methshot
Methshot

llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SnekEatersAnonymous

So I'm hosting a smaller game, if anyone wants in. Face me if you dare, nerds.

Anything I should change? This is my first time setting up a game.

RumChicken
RumChicken

The fact that you're actually using the latest summod rather than one with gamebreaking bugs is a step in the right direction. I'll join when I get home in about 4 hours if there are still slots left

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Hol up, I think I've been calculating communion bonus levels wrong.

Is it 2n, where n is the level bonus. So 21 is one level bonus, 22 is a two level bonus, etc. Or is it 2n for EVERY level, so for a two level bonus you actually need add 21 and 22 for a total of 6 slaves.

I was under the impression all this time that it was the former, but I think that it's actually the latter...

Spamalot
Spamalot

Damn, the superscript didn't work...

Emberburn
Emberburn

It's the former
2 slaves =1 pathboost
4=2
8=3
and so on

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I have no idea what the hell you are attempting to ask, but the number of slaves required for a boost of n is 2^n.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Are you guys sure, because I was watching this guy's tutorial video on communions just for the hell of it and he clearly states that level two is achieved at 2+4=6 slaves. Also this is what the manual states:

A communion master gains n extra levels in each of his or her known magic paths for EVERY 2^n slaves in the communion.

"Every" being the key word there. It in theory implies that it should be 2^1 for first level, then to that 2^2 should be added to reach the second level.

Is the guy in the video wrong, or are we actually wrong? Has anyone actually tested this?

WebTool
WebTool

Forgot the damn video youtu.be/b7tw80P5v6g?t=54s

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

You can click the communion master icon and it'll tell you what the path boost is at that moment.

cum2soon
cum2soon

He's wrong. I am currently using communions in 3 games, one of which relies on 4 slave mini-communions to boost up my buff casters.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Oh, I actually recognize his name from the dominions subreddit. He's a newer player, and wrong here.

StonedTime
StonedTime

I am getting a lot of use out of this debug game I made ages ago

Emberfire
Emberfire

If he's a newer player who has at least 2 and a half years under his belt, what does that make with only a single year.

Alright, so I wasn't wrong in my understanding of how communions worked.

Techpill
Techpill

Singlehandedly kill Ermor at a huge cost to my research and my general ability to do anything resembling winning the game

lol u get 4/10 ;)

Shit like this is the reason people don't fight Ermor ever. You LOSE if you fight the skeletons. You gain NOTHING while your enemies are free to conquer the world and research fucking everything they please.

Fuck you, you didn't even trade me that single province you didn't need for gems. You're a cunt. Enjoy the win. As usual it's a pathetic loser that only plays a game played by 1000 people worldwide to be "GOOD AT IT" instead of to have fun.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Huh. I didn't realize he'd been playing for that long. I guess 'newer' is wrong and more 'doesn't understand the game very well'

cum2soon
cum2soon

Ermor was AI since like turn 7 after we ganked him. If taking him on after that was such a drain on you then you are really terrible and deserve a -1/10.

b-but i only play for fun!

Pathetic excuse

Evilember
Evilember

Anyone who started playing since 4 came out is a newer Dominions player.

Illusionz
Illusionz

The map does indeed look very nice but if I understood correctly Pangaea started right next to this province with O3/G3. It's like a free capital ffs.

Techpill
Techpill

No, he started in the upper right. That province got depopulated by Asphodels dom before he even got there. See pic

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Pathetic excuse

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

It's typical of online game shitters to resort to this excuse when they get btfo.

w-well at least i h-have a life
i-i was only playing for fun!

No amount of smug reaction images will make you look less of a salty nerd.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Why do you assume that I'm even in that game?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Singlehandedly kill Ermor at a huge cost to my research and my general ability to do anything resembling winning the game

Because you said so.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Source?

Inmate
Inmate

it's a "everyone who has "Anonymous" in the name field must be the same person!" episode

SniperGod
SniperGod

you said so.
you

Illusionz
Illusionz

Yomi
Naturally the NEETs are huge weeblords

WebTool
WebTool

Is the Abysia bug fixed yet?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Which?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Oh, I see. Yeah. That should probably not be +10/lvl.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Which ones were fixed?

Playboyize
Playboyize

You won because
1) After eating Asphodel there were only 2 players bordering you, so the rest of the players couldnt even gang up on you. Good job starting in a corner with a lot of thrones in general vicinity.
2) Xibalba went AI like a faggot while fighting 2v1 together with Agartha against you. I dont think any amount of dryading could justify that, plus he should have known, you're pan for fucks sake.

Tien'Chi 6/10 - One of the players that actually went to war early-ish, but it took him a long time to kill off Bandar Log. Ended up being gang up on in a 2v1.
Thats a nice observation, especially considering chinks did jack shit against monkeys. Agartha won a major battle against the monkeys and killed their pretender, making them quit. If agartha did not intervene, chinks probably would lose to cascadespam.

FMPOV the game looked like that
oh hey, chinks are fighting bandarlog
i proably should team up with monkeys because eating chinks would give me better position, plus he is clearly a more novice player
Agartha intervenes and wrecks bandar
Agartha works as a nice buffer between me and Pan, so i probably should side with Agartha in their conflict against chinks
Agartha is actually diplomanceing me and chinks so that we fight. Chinks prove to be real bros
Start preparing help chinks against agartha
Xibalba goes AI, Pan is the only real enemy now, must side with Agartha so that Agartha can fight Pan
Coordinate with everyone so we all attack Pan before it claims all thrones
Its too fucking late, because 3 of us have no border with Pan, and i also need to eat Chinks.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What orders to ranged units execute when they run out of ammo? Does it depend on their previous firing orders or do they just default to whatever unscripted AI would have them do?
Like if I tell a bunch of 2 ammo javelinists to fire closest, will they move into range, fire twice, and then attack closest?

Techpill
Techpill

Is stream of life a worthwhile spell, if you have are casting it with a really high level nature mage?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Yes.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Units run out of ammos?

massdebater
massdebater

Yes, click on the weapon in the unit details and it will give you the weapon details. Ammunition is usually at the bottom.

Techpill
Techpill

Oooooooooooh.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I believe they usually move up to attack when they run out of ammo

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

So this is how you get frogs out of your lands.

Sadly Deiotaurus thought it was a good idea to smite a running N9B9 frog. RIP Deiotaurus the Arch theurg

TreeEater
TreeEater

I don't know what you expected to accomplish with that atlantis. Glad you wasted everyone's time.

Acro I hope you keep those bats in your cave too.

Skullbone
Skullbone

No, and before we get "maybe," "it depends," and "I don't know, maybe test it" let me assure you that the answer is no.

This spell will target enemy units. Like many targeted spells, it has to actually hit the enemy units in order to have any effect. If it does hit, it has a % chance to not have a chance of killing the units at all, and instead buffing them. If it does roll the kill chance, then they have an MR check before actually dying.

In short, it's a save or die spell that has extra things that can go wrong and you pretty much always have better things to cast.

WebTool
WebTool

Care to enlighten those of us who don't know? What tales can ye tell of yonder /v/anheimir?

Hum, how should I put this. You can think of them as the protagonists of the CC - the scrappy underdogs that have to defeat their more experienced opponents with a combination of zest, zeal, and the friends they make along the way.

Is this true, /v/anheim team?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Is it true that Moggers is the captain with okofire as the disciple?

TreeEater
TreeEater

You forgot the Autism, their biggest flaw yet greatest strength. Also have picked their second team yet?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

okfire
not the pretender

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I'm pretty sure that Wimp Lo is a more accurate analogy.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

RealmofRoaringScrubs
patala waiting for 2h file

Kichikuo_Domg
marignon waiting for 2h file
bogarus waiting for 2h file

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

30 turn resends for all of them, you are welcome.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Please do not do that.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Sorry, I already did it.
Don't complain about "waiting for 2h file" if you don't want them being turn-spammed.

massdebater
massdebater

all anons are the same
I'm not the person who complained about waiting for 2h file.

Nobody is making you be a shitter that fucks up llamaserver. Stop doing it.

Flameblow
Flameblow

maek me fagget
[spoiler[]30 more for your insolence[/spoiler]

RavySnake
RavySnake

This is not me.
Not all anons are the same, and i'm not those ones, but this one:

And I would do it any time.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

This is not me btw

girlDog
girlDog

This is me

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

t. Me

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Yes. Third is cirno.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Modnation game when?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

massdebater
massdebater

Does anti magic stack with resist magic?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

No, it's basically the same buff, only resist magic is caster only and atimagic is all friendly troops.

It also doesn't stack with protection of the sepulcher/shadelands. The former is guaranteed increase in MR, the latter is MRN spell that only affects a fraction of troops that failed their magic resistance roll.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Man, I told you that you lost the game at the very moment you took that library province from me.

Now you know why.

Bidwell
Bidwell

How much fatigue does a spell have to incur for a mage to refuse to cast it on script?
I assume they will always cast scripted spells unless they are either already at 100+ fatigue or the spell would put them over 200 fatigue.
Is this correct?
If they can't cast a spell but would be able to at a lower fatigue level will they wait and cast it when able or just keep casting unscripted and perpetually keeping themselves too fatigued to do it?

WebTool
WebTool

Real talk I would actually like Ermor if instead of the goofy Roman thing they have now they were just undead pro-wrestlers.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Consider it done in my next Ermor game.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Mages will cast scripted spells if they have <100 fatigue, yes. Sometimes they WILL cast spells that put them on >200 fatigue though. I didn't test it extensively, but my liches always cast Soul Drain no matter what (even though it lowered them to like 4 HP; they regenerated to full health the very next turn though).

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Dang, I wish descriptions were more consistent. You get things like mass protection and other spells explicitly stating that all they do is apply a specific buff on a larger scale, which causes you to logically assume that other large scale buffs which DON'T explicitly state this are different. But NO! There is no consistency to the in game spell descriptions.
I really wish the in game spell mechanics window had more info instead of having to glean what you can from the vague description window.
Why can't there just be a UI mod that adds dom4inspector values to spell descriptions?
I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!
I'll be taking it forever and there's nothing I can do about it

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Hm, maybe an HP calculation happens and they'll still cast the spell as long as the damage from excessive fatigue will not end up killing them?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Dom4 is like real life. You can cry about how unjust it is when you're a young teenager, but when you get older you just kind of accept that it's going to suck all the way, so you even start finding ways to enjoy it. And you laugh at people who are younger because they didn't experience their first communion fuck up/full doomstack wipe/divorce etc.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

The thing that baffled me the most was innate spellcaster AI working differently on Linux and Windows. What the hell is up with that?
Sure the outcome is the same but I use battle replays to figure shit out and they inform my future strategic decisions. Then I find out they've been lying to me the whole time?! It's a real kick in the teeth.

RavySnake
RavySnake

I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.

RavySnake
RavySnake

So, is my psuedo jewish friend around in thread (by which I mean Bery)

I would like to talk, and maybe trade tips on neat Melqart things.

massdebater
massdebater

Kichikuo Bogarus send your turn already. You are always the same and I want my turn already.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

You should be demanding submission from Bery, desu. Their people worship Melqart cock

askme
askme

Ahem, we *both* worship Melqart cock.

Besides, its only because of summod that I can even get as many Melqarts as Berytos

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I haven't played Dominions for years OP but I thank you for the new wallpaper.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

You from Wales or NZ?

cum2soon
cum2soon

No, but maybe I'll move there.

Flameblow
Flameblow

One of my first times hearing this
t. kiwi

Nojokur
Nojokur

Anyone want to sub for EA Ermor before we have another AI on our hands?

I assume Marverni has just been totally beaten by Ulm, and his total defeat shouldn't be that far off.

Lunatick
Lunatick

ulm has defeated mav
nifl is also AI
has unrestricted access to entire european region
all neighbors are AI

who will step up to the plate

WebTool
WebTool

i'm a noob to this game, where do people go to get more maps?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

If you're around, there's still one spot open for you (or anyone who claims it first).

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I claimed it first as sauro

iluvmen
iluvmen

I'm nowhere near niefelheim. I assume they're being eaten by vanheim or helheim. Or both. I'm also neighboring Pan, though he isn't very big on account of fighting both Ermor and Arco.

Marveni has lost everything except for 2 sequeni, and I think one cavalry unit. I don't think its worth a sub for him. Right now all I'm doing is sieging his capital.

TNN, if you're around, lets talk about you "accidentally not stealthing" an army of fir bolg and tuatha into my province.

viagrandad
viagrandad

TNN, if you're around, lets talk about you "accidentally not stealthing" an army of fir bolg and tuatha into my province.
Trusting elves
at all

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Mages don't take damage from casting spells that would put them over 200 fatigue.

You only take damage from fatigue if you're a communion slave or an enemy hits you with a fatigue attack.

TechHater
TechHater

a fatigue attack.
I don't think so? Only communions can deal damage via fatigue. Stuff like cascades or Sleep clouds won't do that.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Fatigue that goes over 200 is taken as hitpoint damage.

DeathDog
DeathDog

the star fires or whatever spell can def damage units if they get super fatigued by it

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Does vine shield entangle anyone whose attack gets parried by it?
If not, how does it work?
Do other shields with magical effects behave the same way?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Pythium set to AI

Enjoy the giftbasket Lambert :^)

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Right, but mages don't take it from the spell that would ordinarily put them over. They just cap out at 200 and nap until they wake up.

Nojokur
Nojokur

You can get quite a few from moddb, I think.

Methshot
Methshot

I'm surprised, New Zealand seems like a really nice place and everyone I've met from there has been cool.

Methshot
Methshot

Indeed, but mages can't take damage from their own spells. Any extra fatigue once they hit 200 is just discarded.

That's what I'd call a fatigue attack.

MR check on anyone who attacks the wielder.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

mages can't take damage from their own spells
Can't take damage from fatigue caused by casting their own spells.

They can definitely take damage from their own AoE spells if they're cast too close.

Booteefool
Booteefool

MR check on anyone who attacks the wielder.
Don't even need to parry? Neat.
Do the vine shield wielder's nature path levels or penetration bonuses get taken into account for the MR checks?

Methshot
Methshot

Do the vine shield wielder's nature path levels or penetration bonuses get taken into account for the MR checks?
Don't know, I didn't test it.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I thought Lambert was Ragha

Bidwell
Bidwell

daily reminder that filters take 2 seconds to set up and being a faggot turnspanner won't get people to send their's in any faster.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Can anyone clarify something about trample for me?
In the manual it says the defender takes a Defense–(fatigue/10)checkagainst10 and takes 8+2xSizetrampledamage.
I see no mention of DRNs in this calculation. Does that mean a unit with less than 10 defense will fail the check 100% of the time?
And does it mean that that a unit with say 15 defense will succeed in the defense check 100% of the time if he is below 50 fatigue?

I'm not used to absolutes in dominons, nearly everything seems to have a chance element to it so I wanted to be sure.

Also does the defender size matter at all apart from the simple matter of whether or not it is smaller than the attacker?

farquit
farquit

When it says "check" it means roll.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Both sides will have a DRN attached, so the chance element is still intact.

It'll be 10+DRN vs defense+DRN.

FastChef
FastChef

Ginnung Hinnom do your turn

Illusionz
Illusionz

Gotcha, I'm used to those mechanic formulas explicitly stating the DRN as part of the equation rather than leaving it implied so I was thrown off.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Is it typically better to set javelinists like peltasts or velites to a Fire or Attack order?
If I tell them to Fire on a certain target will they attempt to move toward and attack that same target after they run out of their 2 ammo?
Conversely, if I tell them to attack a target, will they fire on that target after moving if they weren't able to get into melee combat that round?

JunkTop
JunkTop

If I tell them to Fire on a certain target will they attempt to move toward and attack that same target after they run out of their 2 ammo?
Nope. Once the fire order is discharged, they'll go attack whatever

Conversely, if I tell them to attack a target, will they fire on that target after moving if they weren't able to get into melee combat that round?
Also nope. They will try to melee their target and not do anything else until their targeted squad is gone. More interestingly, after their targeted squad is gone, they will then throw their javs at whoever/

This is also the case with archers. For instance, if you are using those amazon pegasi with bows and order them to attack something, then when their targeted squad is gone, they will start shooting with their bows instead of meleeing.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Hey Fomoria, I sent you a message last turn about my moves and wanted to make sure we didn't bump. You can either post here to let me know that that's good, or we can chat on Steam to figure out who's hitting what.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Mages never take damage from excessive fatigue on their own spells. Only when you are a communion slave will that happen.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Can blood mages using blood communion connect to an astral communion?

Does each side have a unique communion?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Yes; no. Sabbath.Comm are one thing

SniperGod
SniperGod

Fuckkk. This changes EVERYTHING

Illusionz
Illusionz

It's standard lingo for tabletop RPGs, so they probably didn't realize they weren't being explicit.

SniperGod
SniperGod

each side
As in, do you share a communion with your enemy? They're unique in that sense. But for your side of the field, masters and slaves from astral, blood, or matrix items all share the same communion.

askme
askme

I'm sitting on their capitol so whatever.

I'm also claiming what little territory they have left as rightful C'tissian clay. C'tis always needs more land because Latus is stupid and surrounded me with nothing but wastes.

Any /domg/ games recruiting right now?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

As in, do you share a communion with your enemy? They're unique in that sense.
You know, it never occurred to me that someone might think that. If that's what you meant here then yeah, there's two different communions - one for each side (assuming they both are casting them / using matrices)

takes2long
takes2long

It's definitely a game mechanic that could be there theoretically, if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't work like that. That kind of thing is how slivers work in Magic: the Gathering and they were pretty popular at one time or another.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Good to know.

I'm playing my first game as EA Berytos 1v1 against a friend who has been playing awhile. He is playing Malverni. This is my first game against another person.

He's been using a communion, and I was trying to figure out if I could have a B1F1 priest connect to a battlefield communion (ie: his guys and mine) and then cast 300 fatigue shit to fatigue kill his communion, but it is sounding like that isn't possible.

I did, however, find a amazon camp with S1 easy recruits, and was wanting to use them, but none of my mages natively have astral paths (except the stormcallers, and its a chance at that).

Also, I know the end-game plan is Storm demons/Seirs and Melqarts, but what is Berytos supposed to do for the first ~20 or so turns. As it takes awhile to get a blood-economy going.

All their recruits are fairly money and resource hungry in the early game, elephants are amazing, but they cost so damn much.

I've been recruiting mostly spearmen and setting them to fire behind Collosi lines, mixed in with indie archers (as they are better than the native troop ones).

StonedTime
StonedTime

I realize this, the only reason it threw me off is because other similar descriptions state the DRN as part of the equation so I figured its omission meant it wasn't applicable.

Supergrass
Supergrass

All Berytos does early on is set up for the mid to late game. Research and get a wasteland for Se'irim.
That said, if you're new to blood you're probably setting the economy up less quickly than it could be done.

likme
likme

as they are better than the native troop ones
Bery's archers are MM2. That's a pretty big deal. If you need to fight early, Flaming Arrows can be good, and the fact that the archers are pretty bad as units isn't as big of a deal as getting more bows where they need to go.

Marv's not vulnerable to elephants for very long, but it's possible to use them to cause some serious early hurt to an unprepared enemy.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Oh, and the S1A1 amazons are dope. They don't need your nation to already be a com nation to set up a stormstrike com. They play really well with storm / windguide coming from stormcallers too

cum2soon
cum2soon

Yeah, this is how I planned on using them. I'm on about turn 15 right now and have two stormcallers who I have recruited, one of which has the astral path. I have the lab up for the amazons right now. Going evo for storm/t-strike deprives me of going Blood earlier rather than later, but I guess I'll figure this out as it goes. I don't expect to win this game, just a great learning experience.

Also, the map didn't give me a wasteland without having to go into full out war and win heavily, so I'm trying to see what else they can do without seirs.

Thanks for the help guys.

DeathDog
DeathDog

mixed in with indie archers (as they are better than the native troop ones).
Armor isn't usually a big deal for archers, assuming that's what you're talking about.

While it makes them harder to kill, it also makes them much slower to recruit. Three archers which cost 7 resources each and have light armor is much better than a single archer with light plate who costs 22 resources.

The main things to focus on for archers are precision, weapon damage and range (composite bows or longbows are great), and gold cost. Only bother with armored archers if you're at peace and building up a standing army.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

It's more that the indie archers are 10g4r and the native ones are 10g7r for what looks to me like the exact same stats for range/precision/damage. The only difference being that indies are MM1 and natives are MM2.

I don't particularly care much for any of the other stats, because if it gets to melee combat with them, my vanguards fucked up in some way.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

MM2 is kind of a really big deal unless all the terrain around where you're fighting is difficult anyway.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

This 100% "It's better to be on hand with 10 men than absent with 10,000". Unless you're already using a vanguard of MM1 heavy infantry, the mm2 archers are worth it nearly every time.

farquit
farquit

WAGES
i am starting a routine of work + school + self study + gym + maybe social activities.
i would be interested in a really freaking slow game.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

At what rate should I trade gems for gold? Is 40 gold per gem about right?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

It depends. How many times was this question asked? Is this meme?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

All the terrain near me is forests and mountains, and I'm planning on putting all of my forts on sailable locations. Two of the forts I've started have these archers available.

When nearly all of your native commander recruits have sailing, for defense and early expansion, I don't see why MM1 is such a big deal because
Berytos

But then again, I can see where you guys are coming from.

Thanks for the advice guys.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I-I wrote it down but lost the paper. Pls help.

Firespawn
Firespawn

If I cloud trapeze a bunch of mages onto a province, I assume they all fight together in one battle rather than individual battles. The way the manual speaks about this seems to be the case, but I want to make doubly sure before committing my mages. Any help would be appreciated! <3

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

20-40 gold is a general guideline but sometimes players simply can't utilize gems effectively (by lacking research, sufficiently high paths or a situation where stuff that can be gained from those gems is desirable) and sometimes you'd really rather not give a certain nation a certain type of gem (for example, Yomi is rather reliant on shikome summoned with death gems to do their heavy lifting) or gold (especially in the early game when gems cannot be utilized effectively anyway). On the other hand, it's conceivable to run into a situation where you'd benefit from giving stuff away for free (such as keeping your rivals in a perpetual war while you finish the game). Never mind that certain types of gems are generally speaking less valuable than others (fire, water and nature tend to be quite undesirable for most nations).

There is no real answer. In order to make a favourable deal, you have to take factors such as diplomacy in. Making a trade with a player about to lose will likely not come to haunt you so you can be with more liberal with trades, but you really have to be alert trading with your neighbours and potential future rivals because the fact that they agree to the trade means they believe they're gaining advantage from it, so you must be getting at least an equal amount of advantage: you don't want to give them the means of your own destruction.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Yes, all your mages moved into the province in the ritual phase will fight in a single battle after all rituals are cast.

Skullbone
Skullbone

The turn resolution in this regard goes like this:

1. Magical movement takes phase
2. If there are units hostile to each other in the same province, they fight
3. Normal movement takes place
4. If there are units hostile to each other in the same province, they fight

In other words, you can teleport and faery trod and cloud trapeze units to the same province and they'll fight together, but reinforcements with regular movement don't arrive until the battle is already over.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

new turns
bats are still alive

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Thank you very much!

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

MM isn't that big a deal.

It only matters if
you're moving between friendly provinces
there's a group of friendly provinces with no terrain (or plains)
nothing in your army has low MM.

It's not common for all of those to be true.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Kate's Speedbumps- /v/anhiem
MA Ermor, LA Lemuria
THEY'RE DOING IT, THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

But what will the third nation be?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

LA R'lyeh, hopefully

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Therodos, go domkill trinity or go home.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Of the teams that have picked two nations, we know some of them:
/v/anheim
Cancer and undeath. Memes inbound.
/domg/
Lategame Quadbless, rush in the water and blood/astral later on.
Bay12
Powerful midgame and good scales, particularly for gold. Also both cold blooded.

The other two with two nations announced are TROW and Necropolis, but I don't see a clear strategy there.

eGremlin
eGremlin

I think TROW picked for thematics rather than strategy.

likme
likme

Either that or they're total lunatics and are going to try to blessrush a 33-player game.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Yes.

hairygrape
hairygrape

His Asshole Batman is doing a decent job of keeping his cap safe (because I can't patrol while sieging)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Sounds like we need an assassin of assassins. I could send a dude, question is how to make sure I kill the batman and not lizards.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You people need more pic related.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

question is how to make sure I kill the batman and not lizards
You don't. Your assassins will always target the besieger, not the besieged.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Turn resends
My fucking WiFi is being a shit, this does not help.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

The year is 27 after Me
still using Wi-fi

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I have a plan.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

More dancing? I don't get this.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

More skeletons.

farquit
farquit

You mean like cataclysm or nationgen or awful nations?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

It's been fixed for several versions.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I mean like awful nations. But not limited to awful nations.

DeathDog
DeathDog

TROW took two giant nations with cold resist, and both have effective, if expensive midlate games.

Necropolis took two nations that turn gems into sacreds using different gems. (Air, water, fire for TC, death for Ctis).

TechHater
TechHater

You don't necessarily need to even get an equal amount of advantage. Just some advantage. If you make a deal with each of your 5 opponents, where each gets 10 advantage units and you get 5 per deal, you wind up with 25 to their 10 and net ahead. And since they insist on more advantage for any deal, they'll have trouble making deals with eachother.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Forgot to send my turn in before work. I won't be in danger of staling, but it'll be late, so don't bully.

FastChef
FastChef

Any memegames recruiting? I'm looking for some fresh memes.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

NEETONLY needs 1-4 more players

cum2soon
cum2soon

What's meme about it?

massdebater
massdebater

16 hr turn cycle. Guaranteed the hottest, freshest memes.

StonedTime
StonedTime

I wanted some danker memes but I'll probably join in a couple of hours.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Do it faggets.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Resent :D

Emberfire
Emberfire

If nobody else does it I'll do it in an hour or so.

happy_sad
happy_sad

What's some good and safe communion spells?

I mean stuff like Maws of the Earth as opposed to Earthquake which can fuck your slaves up.

eGremlin
eGremlin

What do you mean, in terms of effect or fatigue cost? Earthquake can be perfectly safe to cast if you cast mass flight beforehand.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Doesn't even need to be Mass Flight. Flight is AoE Caster.

So long as you have a communion master cast that beforehand, it'll propagate to slaves.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Wizard Aid

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Anyone got any trashtalk? I'm curious to see if Dom has these too.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Well yeah, but that'll kill your army instead.

Skullbone
Skullbone

I think that instead of "army" you mean "your worthless chaff that is supposed to keep your communion safe until they can earthquake the enemy army to oblivion and back and onwards to hell".

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Whatever suits you better, but my your worthless chaff that is supposed to keep your communion safe until they can earthquake the enemy army to oblivion and back and onwards to hell will crush your your worthless chaff that is supposed to keep your communion safe until they can earthquake the enemy army to oblivion and back and onwards to hell.
So be prepared to hear the noise of my your worthless chaff that is supposed to keep your communion safe until they can earthquake the enemy army to oblivion and back and onwards to hell boots walking all the way to your capital and getting ready to crush your pathetic your worthless chaff that is supposed to keep your communion safe until they can earthquake the enemy army to oblivion and back and onwards to hell.

Booteefool
Booteefool

actually being this mad
turnspamming is the domg equivalent of bantz m8

SniperWish
SniperWish

Nevermind my ISP is being a whore and I'm on mobile, might be an hour, might be a day. Someone else has to host it.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Bantz are the equivalent of bantz.

Turn spamming for the sake of turn spamming is just being obnoxious without any cleverness.

likme
likme

No, bantz is the /domg/ equivalent of bantz.

Turnspamming is just passive-agressive autism.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

You're so mad that you're samefagging? Guess that means I win :)

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Doesn't matter, I set up a filter after someone spammed me for invading him.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Got screenshots? I love salt mail.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Epic as usual, Bob.

likme
likme

More to the point, turnspamming fucks up Llamaserver.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

t. Helheim

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

So it's over, it's done. The Aboleths rule the world finally and forever.

I'll make a long explanation of the game soon.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

That's exactly the point.
Do you're turns or I'm crashing this server with no survivors

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Game: MAdden_2016_Hexxy_Edition
Nazca Waiting for 2h file

REEEEEEEEEE

likme
likme

Fucking hell. Fine I'll do it if there is nobody else willing. I warn you though I have no fucking clue what mods are OP or not, so you'll have to whine about those in the upcoming steam thread. Yes I have to make a steam thread since I'll need a tally of all the nations I will need to merge the mods of, unless someone else has a better solution.

I'll make a thread as soon as I decide on a nation I'll play and then post the link here. So like 15 min or so.

Evilember
Evilember

He already said he would get it in once he had a working connection

cum2soon
cum2soon

Well he better hurry up, only 3 hours left.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Are we doing the disciples natgen or a normal one?

likme
likme

Ill sub [email protected]

massdebater
massdebater

For a Golem which bless would be better, F9N9 or W9N9 or D9N9? Based solely on this information with nothing else in mind.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

d9n9

happy_sad
happy_sad

W9N9

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

W9N9

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Modnation user, not natgen.

I'd be up for the disciples natgen, but I'll wait until Scrubgen X is done, which should be soon.

Spamalot
Spamalot

F9F9

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

W9N9

Emberburn
Emberburn

Going for the double Fire bless, eh?

A classic gambit.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

flaming weapon
flaming dick

Emberburn
Emberburn

Sometimes I ask myself if I have enough fire.
I always answer "No."

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

How bothered are people generally by other players casting non-harmful globals?

Can rushing Mother Oak be enough of a reason to get me gangbanged?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Depends on the global and the nation. Mother Oak is generally pretty much expected to be rushed by Pan or Asphodel.

LA C'tis casting Well of Misery is a markedly larger concern.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Some globals are pretty damn dangerous to leave up for a long time, like gift of health on any nation with good death access, arcane nexus is very strong, sitting on the bigger gemgen globals like earth blood deep well and well of misery can be enough reason to provoke a response depending on the nation. Mother Oak is usually ignored for the most part since it's fairly low impact and there are a few nations that can pretty much always get it and are expected to have it if they try (MA Pan, for one, since they like to research alteration as well as having the strong N casters and high basic N income)

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

It's not as much about whether the globals are dangerous, but about what they usually lead to.

Arcane Nexus leads to wish spam
Gift of Health + Well of Misery leads to Tart spam
etc.

likme
likme

how does this list make you feel?

WebTool
WebTool

You will be surprised. Mark my words.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Makes me feel that armageddon spam is coming since that appears to be the only thing R'yleh is capable of

Emberburn
Emberburn

Makes me feel like everyone who isn't actively removing squids is begging for armageddon spam.

I hope you're putting those D gems to good use against R'lyeh.

massdebater
massdebater

I see a lot of people talking about EQ, RoS and Maws but no one ever mentioning Gifts of Heaven. Are those worth casting, as say an Elder Druid in a communion over Earthquake?

Methnerd
Methnerd

steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/350542683191993436/

Made the thread, get in there. Yes you can avoid using Steam if you want, just read the OP at least.

Don't expect balance, at all.

WebTool
WebTool

Gifts of Heaven is a giant smite.

But it won't kill 20000 longdead in one cast, which EQ and RoS can do.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

It's worth casting in the right situation, but it's not as good as it may look.

The only advantage it has is that it deals a ton of damage, but it's very inaccurate (which makes it less effective against thugs/SCs) and doesn't hit nearly as many units as the alternatives (which makes it less effective against chaff).

TechHater
TechHater

Just gotta slap a couple of eyes of aiming on your mage then you'll be set.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

It's usually worth casting if you have the paths, but it's not commonly used for a number of reasons.

poor accuracy
You'll hit your troops a lot. Can be a worthwhile trade if you have shittier troops than the enemy, but still makes it a lot less good.

casting requirements
S1E2 generally doesn't come cheap. You need boosters, 1/4 randoms, or expensive mages. And that's if you're one of the few nations with relatively easy access like Marverni.

fatigue
50 per cast means you don't get many off compared to other evocations.

Are those worth casting, as say an Elder Druid in a communion?
Don't use it from a communion unless you have nothing else to do with that communion (or if you really need to kill something tough). It causes major fatigue problems if your communion slaves don't have earth magic, and it doesn't scale well.

Elder Druids can cast it without a communion, though, and that's probably worth doing.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Glad you won, fishman.

The game for me was summed up by this: I orchestrated gangbang on Hinnom with Helheim, Hinnom convinced Sauro to attack from my north, I rerouted my entire army and had a really cheeky sneaky ambush set up for Sauro's stack which he avoided by moving off my cap the same turn as my ambush. After Sauro was convinced I was too much of a nuisance to continue his assault, he backed off, so I went about attacking Hinnom again but by this time Helheim had been swapped with another player, so the gangbang wasn't as coordinated and basically I fell on my sword in killing a bunch of Hinnom's shit.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

How important are scales to Sceleria?

Seems you can easily dump sloth and cold.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Ashdod, I'll go ahead and send the rune smasher on its way in exchange for the crystal coin.

Nazca, thanks for the offer but for now I only need one coin. I'll let you know if/when I need another one... which gem type would you prefer?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Now see fucking here, I've had it for like a bunch of turn now, and I haven't armageddon'd once. I have better shit to wish for tyvm.

SniperWish
SniperWish

New game when? My late games are over and need more of the drug.

Supergrass
Supergrass

If he wishes for armageddon, Lemuria will have a big advantage. Pls don't do this.

girlDog
girlDog

tfw I will probably pick a UP nation and get steamrolled

See above.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

You're sitting on an alteration discount site and are wishing for more gems so that you can eventually spam a dozen armageddons in a row?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Why do you persist in acting like Lemuria isn't in the game? Also, rude assuming I have an Alt site (but wish+nexus is fun either way).

Should I wish for slaves to spam cast infernal tempest btw?

TreeEater
TreeEater

It would seem more profitable to me to use gems such that by using them to summon stuff you get enough pearls to make another wish, although I must confess I haven't sat on a wish engine so I don't have personal experience on what works the best

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

T3L3 or nothing for scales?

Is it ever worth getting L3 without M3 or any other positive scale?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

luck/death events are p good

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Don't use it from a communion unless you have nothing else to do with that communion (or if you really need to kill something tough). It causes major fatigue problems if your communion slaves don't have earth magic, and it doesn't scale well.
The major exception is probably MA TC, as it's probably the best thing your Alchemist lab rats can do without gems

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

B R A V O
R
A
V
O

hairygrape
hairygrape

we had a good fight. I can't believe I forgot to secure my retreat. Blunder of the century. At least I ran over TNN very early on.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

u n I t s u p p o r t
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Snarelure
Snarelure

HE FINALLY DID IT, THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I always believed in him!

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Too bad now Nick is going to eat all his provinces.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I just wish I started bloodhunting sooner
Or built more coastal forts
Or recruited actual useful mages as opposed to a billion labrats
Or had access to lands that actually gave earth income
I really fucked up

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Atlantis has nearly a dozen sorcerers of the sands and doesn't just rain of memes marignon's huge stack?

Evilember
Evilember

at least you helped win the waifu war

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I liked your LL reaction pics, though.

FastChef
FastChef

DUDE

AI

LMAO

SniperGod
SniperGod

Marignon has been losing to an AI this entire time?

RavySnake
RavySnake

A I 30 TURNS AGO

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Also, Nick, that's a pretty shit golem design tbqh family member. Good thing you have N9 though.

And Mari will still die to it. Oh the cruel world.

You only get that joke now?

Mari lost like 3 angels to this throne, and 2 full armies. I'll post a full collection of battle reports later.

SniperWish
SniperWish

not a NEET
could probably do this anyway
between games at the moment
Time to start thinking about nations and pretenders.

Who am I kidding, just gonna play as my main again.

FastChef
FastChef

gonna play as my main again
Fuck off, Cirno.

JunkTop
JunkTop

It's fine aside from the misc slots, and even those are ok.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The build is fine, but the name is awful.Who names their lovingly sculpted mud-child Saeg?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Hey snek jew, where meh pearls be?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I am literally forging those items so they turn into more pearls for more golems.

I only have so many erf gems for misc slots ya know.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I sent them

SniperGod
SniperGod

You can always buy my earth gems for your pearls, good customer.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Jomon's god. Interesting choice

JunkTop
JunkTop

one
two
three
four
NINE

happy_sad
happy_sad

the fuck

Spamalot
Spamalot

How much is big N really worth in a game?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Why.

I mean, I can kinda see the point of a Rainbow Demilich, because it's a reasonably cheap way of getting a rainbow if you also want decent domscore, and Immortal lets you get away with a lot of shit.

But that gear. What. Why?

Firespawn
Firespawn

reminder Jomon has been AI for most of the game after man wrektd his army early on

RumChicken
RumChicken

rainbow demilich
that can't even sitesearch anything besides its capital
which is fucking useless
u w0t

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It can Cloud Trapeze between provinces with labs, and after that summon shit to sitesearch for it, assuming you've secured any income in that gem type at all.

w8t4u
w8t4u

could take N9, make my line holders fucking invincible in a strategy that relies on attrition
plus tons of big N, since I have good N site-seachers too
or I could have seven fucking scales
God dammnit. Which do I pick?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

What nation?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

sitesearch anything besides its capital

Why would you ever sitesearch your cap?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Marverni. So the bless isn't that great, I know, it's more the big N caster that tips it in my balance. Though having that kind of tarpit does seem really useful.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Take B9

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

taking rainbow to sitesearch only when you get to transportation spells
summoning shit to sitesearch
considering this a solid pretender desing
No wonder you won 0 games.

That's the joke.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

TAKE BOARS

Skullbone
Skullbone

Most nations have a cheap chassis for N9 so imprisoned or even dormant N9 pretender affords you perfectly fine scales and it has some utility besides offering a bless (which, unlike most other bless effects, is pretty good on mages as well).

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

You won't. Because it's fucking useless. Which he said in his post.
No it can't. The only spell that moves immobiles is Teleport.
Summoning revs for site searching (or for dark knowledge casting, rather) seems fine to me. For other elements, I think only Fire has mages that you want to and can afford to summon a decent number of, and even then I probably wouldn't use them for searching since they're relatively expensive and good mages.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Take a W9E4N9 Hooded Spirit.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

For the love of boar-christ, do not do this.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Yeah, get e9 too.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

What would that be good for? Just to discourage evocation? I'm not seeing a lot of use for it besides the bless, since I don't have blood hunters. And even on Blood Fountain it's not of trivial expense. I also don't really have a good chassis to pair that with a minor earth to make the boars fatigue neutral, which seems like a good idea for Marverni.

That's what would use the bless, of course.

Best deal I can get is on the thrice-horned boar, and it does give me "fine" scales but I'd prefer better than fine.

Ew no.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Don't worry about making the boars fatigue neutral at all. Their job is to die. B9 makes it so that when they die, the enemies die too. You have nigh-infinite numbers of boars, whereas your opponent does not have nigh-infinite numbers of things to kill boars with.

There will still be counters, of course. Beast Mastery is the big one, but that's fairly late in coming. The thing is that it makes conventionally good counters painful, and even things that work great against boars like flaming arrows will now cause attrition when they didn't before.

takes2long
takes2long

That... Oh, it works out nicely in price after all. Thanks!

SniperWish
SniperWish

You have nigh-infinite numbers of boars

How tho? Doesn't Sounder of Boars cost 20 gems?

likme
likme

Also, random thing - in spite of not having any native blood magic, Marverni priests can blood sac. Breaking into blood is already nice for making blood stones, but once you've got a trickle of blood slaves it can be worth spending a few to pump dom further out so that your boar factories can be closer to your front lines

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Great Boars of Carnutes dom-summon them.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I'm looking through mod inspector and only see the Nature gem summon boars, is this what you're talking about or do they actually freespawn boars based on dom?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Was antiquis berytos around at all? Would still like to talk to them if possible.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Great Boar of Carnutes summons them.

Because Marveni is generally a very impotent nation besides these freespawn sacreds, boar bless tends to be the cookie cutter way of playing the faction.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Neat. How many does it summon roughly? Would having multiple Boars of Canute help? And is 6 dom enough for a decent amount?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

somebody took Marverni in the game I was planning on joining, just as we were talking about this
fug
That's what I get for monopolizing the discussion I guess.

Sequani are also pretty great though. Stellar Cascade spam goes well with boars, and you can communion up for decent versatility.

Each one summons one per turn. Any amount of dominion will do it. You'll want a ton of carnutes to keep a steady stream of outgoing boars.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Each one summons one per turn. Any amount of dominion will do it. You'll want a ton of carnutes to keep a steady stream of outgoing boars.
Wrong. The number scales based on dom. It's something like 3-4 on average in Dom10

Bidwell
Bidwell

I thought the best way to play Marverni was to go full scales, spamming palisades and their S1 mages?

likme
likme

You get almost full scales with B9 mono

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Did you want to join NeetOnly?

If you want you can ask admin to delete mine since it's not the only nation I was thinking of trying out for the first time

happy_sad
happy_sad

Yeah, but you did get it fair and square, so it's up to you if you'd like to change. Feel free to ask for input on whatever you might be trying out.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Since I offered that means I'm more than willing.

Make sure to boar for me.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Done

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

My boars will blot out the sun.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Man you here? Can we talk?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

When_You_Stale_IRL is over!

Congratulations to Ulm.

DeathDog
DeathDog

What's the opinion on Dalkrin? OP? Relative to other modnations of course.

Played them a little, on one hand 20 research non-StR cap mages for like 50g leading to massive earlygame research. On the other, they are cap only and there are no other recruitable researchers (or mages), meaning mid-late game 20 research increase per turn is pathetic.
On one hand stupid amounts of units per deathgem with national summons. On the other they are all shitty low MR undead who will croak immediately to priests.

RumChicken
RumChicken

And now, I bring graphs!

Soft_member
Soft_member

On one hand stupid amounts of units per deathgem with national summons. On the other they are all shitty low MR undead who will croak immediately to priests.

I assume you mean the horde ones which give you ~50 units for 10D. Those are good for overwhelming PD or indies but not much else. However you still get really good summons at rather low levels, but those don't give you that many, more like 4 rather than 40.

hairygrape
hairygrape

want to play as kailasa
they seem to be utter shit

wat do

RumChicken
RumChicken

Stop tryharding and just play what you want regardless of how powerful it is or isn't.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

stop tryharding
weak

Emberfire
Emberfire

Just go play and Xibalba, you pussy.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

pillar men - the nation

In summod I think they are pretty ok.

Go down alt to get aoe scaling luck and protection. Spam those with a communion master on your sacreds.

Survive earlygame and use your summons and bigger communions to win.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Tell us the story! Looks like Lemuria was contained early, and then was released

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Any non-EA games recruiting?

iluvmen
iluvmen

saanta maria strela do dia~

w8t4u
w8t4u

EA is the best age, don't see why you wouldn't want to play it.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Why is there nowhere in the description of Oath Rod of Kurgi that says "Anyone in the same province as the wielder has a chance of being hit with Feebleminded"? I almost incapacitated my Iron Dragon generators.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

wanting to play poo in loos

Why?

w8t4u
w8t4u

I'm already in 3 EA games and to be honest I don't like a lot of EA nations.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

idealized fantasy versions of peoples and mythologies can be awesome despite their real world equivalent.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I highly doubt the monkeys poo in the loo either

happy_sad
happy_sad

You are messing with powers granted by horrors, you should assume that something bad will happen.

Inmate
Inmate

That's some esoteric bullshit you just said right there

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

There's a bunch of Blood and Astral items that don't have any consequences, and what few there are already have "Item is Cursed" or "Tainted" labels. Plus, it's not like there's a clear hint about the downsides, like Carcator the Pocket Lich or The Chalice barely slide by with. Just "the rod constantly screams".

massdebater
massdebater

Well, an anti-spook coalition was formed, and a beautiful example of why it doesn't work even when the coalition isn't full of backstabbing pricks was the result.

Lemuria was contained. Pushed back to their capital, which they promptly filled with 5000 ghosts and then cast Burden of Time and Foul Air, which is why everyone's income started going to shit. Man, who was the force of the Coalition, took heavy casualties during the Lemurian Removal, and was jumped by Ulm immediately after Lemur was imprisoned in it's cap. Man got stomped for a while and had to remove his anti-Lemur forces, at which point Lemuria was freed. Pangaea made a decent attempt to stop Ulm from winning but just couldn't deal with Ulm's vampstacks and ended up going AI. Marignon also went AI earlier for no reason, followed by Atlantis. C'tis did fuck all the entire game except snowball chariots and wight mages and then do nothing with them, then start spamming dozens of tartarians three turns before the game was over. Bats were removed very early by Marignon, but stuck around with only their heavily besieged capital left right up until the end. Atlantis also did mostly fuck all.

FastChef
FastChef

he thinks he can fuck around with items made by Kurgi and get away with it

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

That's right. There are designated shitting groves all around Mount Kailasa.

5mileys
5mileys

buttmad harder please after barely beating an ai

askme
askme

implying it isn't fun to be good at the game

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

such a rood toad

takes2long
takes2long

rushes Summod Ermor with less than 10 provinces as Marignon at like turn 3
backed up by every other neighbor
Ermor goes AI after losing his main army or so
somehow manages to cost him hugely when it should have been piss easy
proceeds to do nothing for the rest of the game managing to be less important than an AI
gets buttmad as fuck over it

Guess someone bought into the REMOVE ERMOR meme too much.

likme
likme

what has a better chance of getting me more income?
T3L3 or leaving them both neutral?

TechHater
TechHater

woops didn't mean to quote

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

You're wrong about a lot of things.

Lemuria was contained. Pushed back to their capital, which they promptly filled with 5000 ghosts and then cast Burden of Time and Foul Air, which is why everyone's income started going to shit.
Lemuria wasn't pushed back to his capital, Ulm outright conquered his capital. Lemuria turtled up in a secondary fort.

Man, who was the force of the Coalition
Actually, that was me.

took heavy casualties during the Lemurian Removal, and was jumped by Ulm immediately after Lemur was imprisoned in it's cap.
He took heavy casualties fighting me. He attacked me and killed one of my reinforcement armies, while I was fighting Lemuria. He then asked me for peace, and I agreed to this (because I was busy with Lemuria) at the cost of 600 gold to compensate for the army he killed. He didn't pay me, so I attacked him back.

Man got stomped for a while and had to remove his anti-Lemur forces, at which point Lemuria was freed.
I removed Man's anti-Lemur forces, because at this time Ulm had started to invade me and I needed allies. I reached out to everyone, and Lemuria agreed to join me in the hope of getting his cap back from Ulm.

Pangaea made a decent attempt to stop Ulm from winning but just couldn't deal with Ulm's vampstacks and ended up going AI.
That's not the main reason I went AI. The main reason was that literally half the game had gone AI at this time including big time faggots Mari and Atlantis who were both big and hadn't even taken any losses, so I didn't see the point in going on with a shit game like this.

Bats were removed very early by Marignon, but stuck around with only their heavily besieged capital left right up until the end. Atlantis also did mostly fuck all.
Atlantis removed the bats and had their cap under siege for almost the entire game, but as far as I could tell never stormed it.

Methnerd
Methnerd

If I was released earlier I could have stopped Ulm.
THIS IS THE FUTURE YOU CHOSE

idontknow
idontknow

Oops, wrong name. :3

Methnerd
Methnerd

t. Pan

Methnerd
Methnerd

It was a great game lads, just wish I was able to be active for more of it.

A list of things I learned:
Don't rely on sacreds to expand as LA Xib, as you will have taken sloth, and can't effectively mass them.
Bacabs cannot be used as thugs.
I probably should not be allowed to play LA Xib.

Well done everyone, and I look forward to playing with you again.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What are the downsides to both of those?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Spreads curses to units in the province, and sends Knight Commanders to assassinate the user respectively.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I was about to start doing something, I swear. Beyond eating AI Atlantis and Marignon, I mean.

I had near full diveristy, like six tart factories up and running, and like five SCs worth of gear ready to go. The turn I geared up the first titan (E3W2) is the turn the game ended.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Tainted has a % chance to horrormark, Cursed can never be removed.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Is there a way to heal retarded tarts other than gift of health?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

The chalice

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Them having blood and casting bloodfeast

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

that's what happens when you gear and focus so internally you lose site of what is going on throne wise. I had that happen to me not too long ago and won't forget it again.

Methshot
Methshot

The chalice doesn't work on undead, you cuck.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

If they're retarded, they don't have paths.

Not since Dom3. Not on Undead.

w8t4u
w8t4u

neither of these work. ONLY GIFT OF HEALTH HEALS THEM. I tested both of these options half a year ago they just don't work.

idontknow
idontknow

Actually, if you put a slave collar on your pretender then give him the chalice, the effect is replicated to all other feebleminded units in the province due to a bug.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Oh, I totally forgot about that. But I think summod fixes it, so it only works in non-summod games.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Yeah Summod does, but if you aren't playing with it, it's fair game. Not like anyone will notice.

Methshot
Methshot

Affects health means it doesn't work on lifeless you stupid shitter, are tartarians fucking lifeless? No they fucking aren't

Methshot
Methshot

heres proof

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

memers memeing memers with memeing memes

FastChef
FastChef

Nope.

That said, GoH isn't absolutely necessary to make a tart factory.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Nice try, Titans only get 7 randoms though.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Ever heard of empower?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

??? can you not see the pop kill icon right there in the second screenshot?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Hang on a fucking minute.

Does Pelagia currently have both of the undersea thrones?

Unclaimed, but still the provinces?

cum2soon
cum2soon

That's nice. Please explain more how you're empowering in blood while feebleminded.

I'll wait for you to figure it out.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Empowering while feebleminded is a waste of slaves/gems since the affliction literally just sets all magic paths to 0.

Considering the original poster was asking how to heal the "retarded" affliction, only gift of health would be able to help.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

He has almost all the underwater, Ys take heed.

Also
Ulm
tfw bullied

massdebater
massdebater

So, howls UWBOWL going?

5mileys
5mileys

howls
you mean shark attacks?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Atlantis is trying to get on land to escape his fate but I smacked him back down, refer to

massdebater
massdebater

If I happen on a fort from another nation that is besieged by yet another nation and I cast a nasty spell on it, who gets hit, the attackers or the defenders?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Depends on the spell, but army hit spells like murdering winter/rain of toads/leprosy/fires from afar from afar hit the sieging force (attacker). Send horror will target the sieging army as well. Arouse hunger and unit summoning thingies too. Mind Hunt should target both attacker and defender though, but I'm not certain about it.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I'm about to win.
Ys appears to be eating Oceania, Atlantis tries (and fails) to get out of the pond.

5mileys
5mileys

Do D9 F9 weapon blesses stack? Also what exactly do "an damage", "mr damage", and "ap damage" mean?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Ok, what about seduction while we're on the subject? Or plain assassinations?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

AN means armor negating. There's still a 'prot roll' but the defending bonus is set to 0.
MRN means magic resistance negates. There is a magic resistance check which, if passed, negates the damage (but not the attack) entirely. There are also MRN-easy and MRN-hard which mean that the magic resistance check is easier or harder to pass.

AP means armor piercing. It's like AN, except instead of the defender's prot bonus being at 0, it's at half its normal value.

FastChef
FastChef

Armour negating (0 prot), Magic-resistance negates, and Armour Piercing (half prot).

They do stack. Each hit will have a 7 AP fire damage hit rolled against target prot, and an MR check, which will cause a 1 AN damage hit if the target fails their MR roll against 10.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

They always target the army outside the fort (assuming both are hostile), even if the seducer/assassin has wall climbing.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Yes, they stack.

Read the fucking manual.
AN - armor negating, protection is not a factor when determining damage (though DRN opposed check is still rolled).
AP - armor piercing. Protection is halved.
MRN - magic resistance negates. Magic resistance opposed check is rolled, and if the defender succeeds, the attack doesn't happen.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Thanks! So I can safely assume when I see something that says "an+mr damage", that means it's armor negating but requires a magic resistance check?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Neato. Thanks a lot.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Correct.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Yes. Like Soul Slay, for example. It's a spell that deals 999 damage unaffected by protection, but a successful magic resistance check (saving throw of sorts) causes it to fail.

eGremlin
eGremlin

The manual is almost 500 pages long. If I can't find what I'm looking for with a ctrl-f search what's wrong with asking?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

The majority of the manual is outdated stat pages for units and spell descriptions

askme
askme

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-sbaLP93CysJ:www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/mechanics-of-flamingdeath-weapons has highly detailed information about the performance of those blesses in case you're interested.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Gameplay info ends at page 117. Everything else you can as well look up in dom inspector. Which is in the pastebin. Which is in the OP.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

TL;DR: D9 is absolute fucking garbage, F9 is great for offensive potential but still not the best bless all-around.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

There are plenty of obscure things that are difficult if not near impossible to figure out without asking/corroborating with other players.

Nojokur
Nojokur

AP/AN/MRN is not one of them.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Why not?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

F9 is great for offensive potential but still not the best bless all-around.
And that's against medium infantry or high defence units (in which case the attack skill component has a lot of value) unless the magical or fire damage itself has extra value (such as when fighting against ethereal opponents). Even quite modest armour reduces fire weapons effect to the point you'd have to roll higher than the opponent for it to do any damage and fire resistance pretty much eliminates it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Because they can be summarized by 2 paragraphs in the fucking manual. Which you should read right now.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

How bout for a nation that has sacreds with very long weapons? That extra attack skill will make them repel damn near everything.

Emberburn
Emberburn

What do the Axes of Rulership do when both are equipped by the same unit, anyway?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

The problem isn't the length of the explanation, the problem is locating it in the manual.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Here, I Ctrl+F'ed it for you in 3 seconds.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

F9E4 Heart Companions are p memetastic.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Gotta try it tbqh.

Awake dragon Arco?

DeathDog
DeathDog

I don't think you understand the problem. If I knew to search for "negating" then I would already know what "an" means and would not have to search for it.
Is there an acronym reference section in the manual?

Soft_member
Soft_member

I can answer that with this photo

girlDog
girlDog

Kind of underwhelming for 2 uniques

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

You'd know if you read it ;^)

Inmate
Inmate

Just stick with a S3 Seraph and hope to god they don't get chickens early on.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I agree

Hey sum1 &co - make the pair give awe, +110 leadership, and inspirational +2

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

So much for gameplay info ending at 117 huh?

askme
askme

READ

THE

MANUAL

FGT

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I'd probably turn that leadership into +3 Task Master instead.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I did

JunkTop
JunkTop

Then go and do your fucking turns.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

k

5mileys
5mileys

Last call for NEETONLY

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Incoming proof that you can ignore Lemuria, and still win the game.

It's just gonna suck while you do it. Also, I will say, there is nothing more stressful than having to defend 5 unforted thrones at the very center of the map.

Emberburn
Emberburn

As shown, Arco and I ignored Lemuria early to rape our other neighbors (Ulm and Jomon) instead. we shared this with N9E9B9D9 Mictlan, though Mictlan didn't get any of the capitals.

While I was worrying about the possible future of fighting quadbless Ozzies instead of Jags, Lemuria unleashed his attack.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Lemuria cast BoT, which I only partially cared about cause Galderman and Elves. Arco and Mictlan were much more affected though.

I elected to attack Lemuria while Mictlan attempted a hair brained throne rush that was never going to work (because I would have trapezed a shitton of air eles summoners to stop him while uncloaking elves). The Foul Air cast helped me make that decision, along with coming to the conclusion that I needed demons fast.

I got 1 fort off the ghosts before Arco staled and went AI.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Fortunately, I had a bunch of earth gems unspent both from a solid passive income, and from Jomon meme deathbasketing me not once, but twice. I turned these into fatigueless, disease immune, 15 MR in magic3/w antimagic Living Statues and Gargoyles, while also Binding Fiends of Darkness, Demon Knights, and Storm Demons.

With Arco AI, I made my ploy for the thrones, especially since Mictlan got a lot of their shit killed by horrorbombing a Monolith.

5mileys
5mileys

This was the point where I was trying to keep a hold of 5 thrones (2 that I couldn't even PD) from Mictlan, annoying AI Arco, Indie events, and hundreds of ghosts, with their god Cirno.

The Living Statues did fucking work. While the Fiends of Darkness were basically invincible vs ghosts, HoS killed them easily. I should have made more storm demons.

MPmaster
MPmaster

apparently being AI saves you from getting domkilled at the end, who knew.
It didn't save Mictlan from being domkilled though, and that was huge for me. Lemuria shared no border with him, allowing me to quickly sweep up those provinces for extra income I needed to stay afloat.

Lemuria kicked me off a throne once with Rigor Mortis, but couldn't hold it.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Lemuria cast BoT

Yeah you can ignore a scrub Lemuria, sure. A smarter one would cast something like utterdark or foul air over BoT.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

HoS

Don't recognize the acronym off the top of my head. What is?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

He also cast Foul Air with BoT, I adapted and didn't care much.
Lemuria getting to Utterdark in a nonmeme game
Lol. When the game ended I had far more research than Lemuria, and didn't even have a single school at 7. Lemuria had 0 chance of ever reaching Utterdark.

I am really glad he didn't go turbo expansion with centurions, because that is obnoxious as shit to deal with. If he rushed me with that (as the only non-human nation with sweet life span mages) he might have won.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

RealmofScrubs Pan, I'd like to buy a thistle mace from you, but you've not been around. Do you even post here?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Lemuria with skull mentors not reaching Utterdark

Soft_member
Soft_member

hosts a modnation game
picks Dalkrin
wew lad

massdebater
massdebater

So, real scrub here.

How do I into Blood as a nation with no recruitable B mages?
I've found some decent Slave-generating sites, and I don't want to leave these around unused. Right now I'm thinking about empowering one good mage, making a Dousing Rod for bloodhunting, and then just slowly building a small group of blood mages from there.

Obviously I won't be able to compete with real B nations, but what's the best use I can get out of a small slave income, preferably without sinking too much research into Blood Magic?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

REEEEEE MAKE A MODNAT GAME REEEE
REEEEEE DONT PICK THAT MODNAT REEEEEE

Like I said in the steam thread, I was looking through them. I'll just switch to another nation since I got a few I want to try. After playing them a bit they are stupidly strong due to a few things that are outright fucking broken.

Just so you know, someone will come along and pick a nation stronger than Dalkrin most likely, so I hope you're ready to complain in the thread.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Chill, just bantz
At least you didn't pick Lizardmen

hairygrape
hairygrape

The game ended turn 53, so no, they wouldn't have. Literally a 0% chance, and doing so would have made them far less a contender.

Ofc, a lot of that is because the map was a small 6-man arena. My biggest regret personally was not taking a mobile pretender, would have made life so much easier.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Lizardmen aren't even op only scrubs can't see their obvious weaknesses

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Basic demons - devils, knights, frost demons, storm demons. Very cost effective and powerful for a pretty easy investment.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

So, in case anyone isn't aware, Utgard is now AI for whatever reason. And Lemuria has started eating him. If people are going to organise and hit Lemuria, now might be a good time.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

If it's past midgame, it's not really worth it. Mostly you can use it to empower some mage into blood and summon a storm demon/demon knight/frost fiend per turn. That could be a nice non-expensive option for low blood research level.

If you don't want/don't have time to research blood at all, just empower a crafter and make some black hearts or blood stones or other blood items with good crosspaths. Never know when you'll need an assassin or an earth booster.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Blood stones are amazing. Soul contracts are nice, as they need no research in blood magic to make, but it does need lots of empowering.

If you have solid stealthy chassis, consider Black Hearts. But Blood Stones are, imo, the big one.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Finally finished it:
dropbox.com/s/b2sx6ai6d24ksja/Kingofbullies.pdf?dl=0

Conclusions on R'lyeh and summod at the end, and typos everywhere.

Posting graphs.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How goes the game gents?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Always Remove Ghosts or you're toast.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

You forgot to mention that Caelum ate half of Utgard and entire Midgard already.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Huh. I knew Utgard was fighting Caelum but I assumed they were the ones doing the eating, not the...eatee.
Still means Lemuria is right now gaining provinces at a very rapid rate.

Also
t. Lemuria

RavySnake
RavySnake

Last I saw Utgard had been sitting on Caelum's cap but birds are now pushing back hard.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Since Utgard went AI Caelum took like 5 provinces in a single turn because birds and sheit.

In other news, Man is retarded (he left 0 PD on all his provinces; I was tempted to attack him with my 2 scouts) and is dying to AI Arco, and Pythium is AI too. Basically, the central part of the world is Mictlan/C'tis/Abysia eating AI Arco/Pythium/Man. Also, Agartha attacked Mictlan through the earth plane gates. Mictlan has quadbless (sic!), Agartha has E4 and scales (presumably).

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Lemuria is also getting to Man. This ghost problem is getting spookier with each passing month.

Also what's with game endings in drove?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Good stuff to read. Felt like you shot yourself in the foot at the start though.

cum2soon
cum2soon

It's always a pleasure to bring you guys mediocre stuff to read.
I'm glad you liked it, thanks a lot for the feedback.

Also yeah, that jellyfish battle... never forget.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling watchers and that Monolith.

takes2long
takes2long

In large armies you probably want your communions boosting cap-only mages. Your alchemists can do Cascades.

In smaller armies, go for it. If I remember right you can get something like a 8 master, 4 slave communion which is completely stable (will never die from fatigue).

idontknow
idontknow

What really kills me is that the Monoliths were guarding fucking *2* thrones. The 3 thrones were relatively undefended.

I've never been so roused.

MPmaster
MPmaster

At the end you share considerations about the r'lyeh buffs in summods. But, did the fact that you played on a map with small water bodies change those? I mean, on a map with actual seas and more UW nations, would those buffs play differently?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Mictlan's rocking an N9B9D9E9 bless.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

but why

Lunatick
Lunatick

Well, I think most of the buffs on Rlyeh are aimed to land battles, I don't think amphibian polypal spawns would be any different against uw nations.

But however the grandmother and polypal mother buff helps a lot against uw nations.
My idea on this game was going full polypal spawns, and got 10 polypal mothers in every fort i had, plus some in unforted provinces.
Then I realized they were still aquatic, and felt stupid.

The buff on polypal spawn generators is great and feels really thematic, and the buff making those polypal spawns amphibian is a logic consequence of it, since having 8k of them felt useless since they couldn't leave the water.

In general, I would say free lil fishes give you uw dominance, and making polypal mothers good as labrats makes going full polypals not a bad idea. I would say always go 7-10 polypal mothers and a grandmother in every fort. Maybe even in unforted provinces (you can teleport grandmothers with a crystal coin and a ring, but I'm not sure of how useful is that).

I'm not sure if i actually answered you. Let's say yes, my opinion on that was affected by the conditions of our map, but even with that, EA R'lyeh is strong uw even without any buffs. I dont think they needed more buffs uw than they needed on land.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Your guess is as good as mine. It'll make kicking his arse somewhat easier.

farquit
farquit

You did answer alright, it's just that I've never touched EA r'lyeh, and I might never play them at all. It's definitely not on my list of nation I wanna play, but knowing a bit more about it and how things work and what you can do is always useful.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Rlyeh is good uw with or without summod. Maybe summod made them a little bit better uw.

Rlyeh is mediocre on land (no easy way to bring your mages to land with you), and with summod they are balanced on land, maybe even good.

Don't really know what else do you want, sorry.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Don't really know what else do you want, sorry
Nothing. You already answered my badly formulated question.
I'm tired so I make less sense

Lunatick
Lunatick

I should have gone to sleep a long while ago, so we are in the same boat.
Somehow i read "You didn't answer alright", that's why I tried to answer it again.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Someone play Star Wars

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Doom > Empire

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Which game?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Mod nations games
steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/350542683191993436/

happy_sad
happy_sad

before anymore falls for the memes reminder all the "gun nations" are easily shut down hard by a simple casting of arrow fend.

MPmaster
MPmaster

For the record I never fought Man at all.
Mari went AI after marching his entire force into Wind of Death spam. Not a good reason but not no reason either.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Welp, my "Imperial Alchemist" just rode by and told me that it looks like I got a bad case of weak expansion followed by elves.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Actually, that was me.
I didn't see the point in going on with a shit game like this.
t. Pan

SniperGod
SniperGod

I just wanna love you.

Please stand by for imminent loving.

King_Martha
King_Martha

page ten
Someone make a new thread.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

That's what screwed me over.
I would have won if the monolith provinces were the 3 point ones as one would logically assume.
But for some dumbass reason they weren't.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

take your turn before gfoign to bed helheim

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Quickest way to get rid of a statue pretender?

askme
askme

gate cleaver thugs

FastChef
FastChef

and people in /v/anheim were trying to say heart companions are a shitty sacred
this is what i get isnt it

happy_sad
happy_sad

New thread veekyforums.com/thread/155524116/video-games

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