So the new ND Miata is garnering a reputation for catastrophic transmission failure at 2nd and 3rd gear.
Mazda has chosen to ignore the problem and just replace the transmission with no changes and admittance. I've read where a customer is on their 3rd or 4th transmission right now, and it's only been out since 2015. When their warranty runs out, they are shit-up-a-creek.
When will Mazda fix the problem and do a full recall? When will customers bring this to the media and sue their pants off?
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who knows, they really are awful glass transmissions though, it's why the fiata uses the previous get NC gearbox.
it seems to get even worse when you add even a little bit more torque due to tuning or whatever
why don't they replace all of them with NC gearbox?
probably doesnt mate cleanly to the ND engine
man its gonna suck for anyone who buys these as a first sports car 20 years from now.
they'll probably do a design revision in a year or so, and as they break they'll swap them out with the revised design
usually these super early run issues become a non-issue later in the car's life
Is it the same box they were using in the S2 RX8? Because I had to have my RX8 box rebuilt 3x due to defective 2-3 synchros and then the mechanics being too retarded to rebuild a tranny properly.
some beancounter deskjockey poindexter shithead problem told them it's cheaper to eat the cost than admitting anything including redesign and replacing every on every fagmobile they sold
see 1990-1991 NA miata
you cant sue something that's already covered by the warranty
>go back to socialist reddit
-The gearing is much different - skyactiv is based on efficiency (not just marketing), part of which is found in the driveline, namely final drive ratio.
-ND-like gearing (5:1 first lel) doesn't exist for the previous transmission (the AZ6 thats also used in the S2000/RX-8/NB/toyobaru/S15/etc).
-they don't want to have to also replace all the diffs to get the ratios back to design.
Pic related, manual ND gearing from Mazdas website
>When will Mazda fix the problem and do a full recall?
When Ford recalls its bunk automatic transmissions in 2011-2016 Focuses and Fiestas: Never.
I mean if they don't fix it by next year, then when are they really going to get around to it? They're rolling the RF out this coming spring, if its still fucked they'll essentially have 2 cars with the same garbage transmissions. Then there's no mazdaspeed until 2021 at the earliest.
I'd have very little faith in mazda if its not ironed out by the 2017 models
It's funny that Ford owns 30% of Mazda
>Ford owns 30% of Mazda
Did I just travel back in time to 2006?
wouldn't have happened if ford still owned them as mazda engineering has always been substandard.
i really hope mazda can get through this, would hate to see them go the way of saab
thats because they want you to drop a 13b+6 speed as soon as you get one
>2016
>spending 30k on a miata
Wew Lad
>buying a 2+2 cuckbox
kek
friendly reminder, faggot
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>1:29.91 for the MX-5, 1:31.27 for the BRZ.
Are you implying to spend it on something slower than a fucking miata?
>implying the refreshed model won't be faster, even on Prius tires
it won't
it will be heavier and will make probably 1 or 2 hp more
Don't forget about the new differential, brembo brakes, and improved struts m8.
But hey, if you want to spend 30k on a miata, be my guest. Enjoy your notchy transmission
>enjoy your faster car
sounds like a deal
also
>improved struts
>struts
oh thats right, the toyobaru has mcphersons at the front right?
top kek
Why does it matter how fast a car is if it handles well? I mean isn't that why everyone owns an mx5 anyway?
the miata handles better than the toyobaru
which is why its faster around a circuit despite making 25% less power
The miata obviously has the weight advantage, but has too much body roll compared to the 86.
Not to mention the hard top is a nice bonus.
>Not to mention the hard top is a nice bonus.
if you enjoy the pigfat
> but has too much body roll compared to the 86.
yet it laps a circuit faster despite making 25% less power
funny isn't it
how will the toyobaru recover?
>shit-up-a-creek
What?
I think you mean "up shit creek"
from the saying, "up shit creek without a paddle" meaning, in a bad position with no way to help yourself.
go back to c/lit/
Go back to school
>mfw the Fiata will unironically be more reliable than the Miata it's based on
lmao
we live in fucking strange times
also, reminder that fiat has its head up its ass an will be really reluctant to give test drives early on for fiatas.
it's ok though, i'm getting one used next year so they can go get fucked
why are you interested in the fiata given their reputation?
the only real fiat bit is the engine, and it's the only reliable thing they make
Does it lap a circuit 25% faster with a blown 2nd and 3rd gear?
>25% less power
>500lbs lighter and no ability to be anything better than a weekend toy
would rather just buy a 86 as a daily and buy a 10 y/o sportbike as a toy with the $4000-5000 i saved over the miata desu
#bants
Weird that Mazda hasn't addressed the issue. But it's expected when a new model gets released.
Miata makes 135whp
86 makes 170hp.
Is that 25%? I'm bad at math
>6 forward drive gears
>not a single one is an overdrive
Are miatas really that gutless? Why does mazda build transmissions using engineering principles practiced in the 1950s?
It is better for a manufacturer to stop production until the problem has been addressed, or just keep churning out faulty cars while working on the solution?
Picture related, second gear of a 6 speed ND gearbox.
>this much carnage from 155hp.
> b-b-but it laps faster around a circuit!
Mazda faggots BTFO
Miata transmissions have always had problems
They get replaced/rebuilt on warranty and it goes away- same thing happened with a lot of NA/NB's
I'm excited to see how much the new brz is better with the performance package and all the retuned suspension and manual transmission will probably get one when i test drive it
>miata 135whp
>86 170whp
fiata makes 200whp with just a $650 tune :)
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I'll admit the fiata is a solid platform. I would never spend over 30k on a convertible though.
>his mustang can't pull a 2.86 final drive
lmao
did they not do real world testing? fuck
japs are getting lazy
>never spend over 30k on a convertible
that's retarded logic. just fyi
They'll probably fix it when they retool for the next production year like every other manufacturer out there.
>
When will Mazda fix the problem and do a full recall? When will customers bring this to the media and sue their pants off?
when will mazda stop making this garbage car?
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Bodyroll is easy as hell to get rid of. $400 on a pair of anti-rollbars that can be installed in less than an hour.
Why? Have you ever daily driven a vert? Do you know how many get cut into?
Probably not. The RX-8 transmission is the same box used in the NB Miata, Lexus IS, and FR-S, none of which are particularly known for catastrophic transmission failure.
daily driven one for 7 years. Not a single cut.
I wonder what I would buy with the $5000 I would save getting the Miata over the 86.
The transmission used in the first gen Mazda3 also had syncro problems.
It's heavier
what specifically fails with these? id there any actual proof that its a manufacturing error and not people driving like retards? just for the sake of curiosity.
when will you learn how to green text correctly you fucking nigger
Yeah man, the Fiata is totally more reliable :)
I think it's the lack of fluid capacity. It supposedly takes some ridiculously low amount, like 0.65 quarts.
The FR-S has less body roll because it has stiff sway bars, which reduce roll but also reduce traction. The Miata is faster around a corner despite, or in a sense because of the greater body roll.
Swaybars are like the easiest handling modification, so I don't even get why people bother complaining about the bodyroll.
Stiff swaybars greatly ruins the comfort.
That's pretty good. I didn't mean just about cuts though. I've owned a vert in the winter, and would not want to put up with that on a daily basis. That's my personal thing though.
I've dealt with ragtops, sunroofs, t-tops and targa tops. If given the choice, I will always pick fixed hard top.
I don't think it's that, I've just looked up capacities for manual miatas for the last 5 years, its a consistent 2L ish, pretty normal for a small manual.
I did a little bit of digging and so far I've found that the ones that fail are typically summer builds, and with track use. Most people don't have problems by the looks of things, just people being vocal when things go south. Nobody's every vocal when everything goes normally. I'm not convinced this is as big a problem as Veeky Forums has told me it is over the past while.
the only fiat bit is the engine, their 1.4 turbo
it's the same engine in the dodge dart and the 500 abarth
ask owners of either of those cars if they've had engine problems, they'll tell you no but EVERYTHING ELSE breaks.
the 1.4 is basically the best engine fiat could have put in anything because it's the closest thing to bulletproof they make, on top of having extremely good tuning potential
>Adding stiffer sway bars is the easiest way to fuck up the handling of your car
FTFY. Where did this ebin "flatter is better" maymay come from?
a new transmission every month.
$5000 is enough for a TR6060 and everything it takes to make it fit.
>spending 5k on a brand new sports car just so you can drive it.
Miatafags on suicide watch!
I did not know that the ND miata shared the same transmissions with so many other cars.
Honestly when I heard Mazda was doing this transmission and differential change I thought the diffs would be the problem area.
I do like miatas, I've owned 2, but god damn did mazda drop the ball on the ND. knowing that the fiata has more power, some interior trim options, and I think with the added benefit of a turbo adding power is much more simple and has much more gain who would choice the mazda over the fiat?
I
I don't know
Nothing here seems track used at all
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Flatter is probably better on flat and even surfaces, as the inside wheels will have more grip. But roads are uneven and filled with potholes. One pro with stiffer swaybars is that the cars steering is more responsive and it's more stable.
Tried running my NB with aftermarket coilovers without swaybars and it felt like the new ND sport. Comfortable and unresponsive.
the fiat will depreciate like fucking crazy, you'd be a fool to buy one new
>Fiat's current gen engines
>reliable
The 1.4 multi air is not exactly known by its reliability fami. Maybe by its cool sounding vvt, but after that, not much fucking else other than breakdowns after 40k miles
> mx-5: can drive with or without a top
> brz/frs: can only drive with a top on
> it's a nice bonus!
that car looks like Walmart designed it, ugly and bland as fuck
the ND looks sexy and fun without going too overboard
i'll wait til they fix this transmission shit
the miata gains 30hp and 30ft-lbs with a header and tune
so almost 200hp also
>forum.miata.net
Interesting, I was looking at a similar thread on the same site, but I honestly didn't scroll through all the pages. To me it sounds like the problem is with the gears themselves, perhaps a tempering issue with the metal. Regardless I doubt it will be recalled unless it ends up killing anyone.
The link to the thread i looked at, in case anyone is interested.
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Like I said, convertibles are fun, but I would never pick a vert over a hardtop.
I would feel differently if the car wasn't my DD.
Having seen one in person, I'll vouch that it actually looks pretty good, out of 30 people that saw it, they all liked it. They also all agreed it's a girls car. Surprisingly, it comfortably seated a 6'6 man. Not surprisingly, it had a trunk big enough to hold a small briefcase, no more. I liked it, unfortunately it bears the curse of the 1.4l, and is therefore doomed to live either in a shop or on an auction block.
that header and tune is way more expensive though
around 4 grand, no?
and it seems like adding more power to ND's current trannie seems like a really bad idea
You're spending $3k to reach 190 whp on a good day on the ND.
For the same money you're approaching 250whp on the fiat
>wanting a laggy shitty turbo over pure godly N/A
>ford
>it's substandard or aids
I guess we need to ad reliability to the list of things the Prius tired 86 beats the track reedy club miata at.
>It's a win to have more power and being slower
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY 12YEAR OLDS ON THE INTERNET. GO AND PLAY POKEMON FFS
So '86 owners consider tires and brake pads consumables, mustang ecoboost owner turbos and Miata owners Gearboxes and anal lube.
3:18.6 slower than 3:29.8? I guess they haven't got to subtraction in 2nd grade math.
>fakelap times
roflmao, see motortrned test
I was referring to the 0-120 time.
Also it's only GT86 fags who are trying to justify their purchase. I bet that every single one of them who bought the GT86 before the NDs release suffers from a bad case of buyers remorse.
Yet another reason to go for the Fiata. Not only will it respond to tuning better, it also won't blow it's gearbox to bits.
>Bad gear ratios
>Won't fit
>Heavier
They'd be better off redesigning the ND unit instead.
Because they lowered the gearbox ratios, and put a higher (numerically lower) ratio in the diff. That way your cruise gear (6th) is a direct drive, which is supposed to be stronger, but you've still got a pretty low overall gear ratio, which means your RPM and fuel use drop.
Hardtop rigidity should be a plus.
Convertibles are objectively better for daily use though, especially in the summer. For daily use, you won't notice the lost rigidity/added weight, but you will be able to enjoy the open top.
Yes, but typically convertibles have a smaller trunk and they tend to leak once the seals get old. So it depends, really.
ND owner here,
The transmission issues where what pushed me towards getting automatic. I needed a new car asap and the auto also fit my needs better.
I use it as a daily driver and put up with a crazy amount of traffic on daily basis. Shifting would have been a pain in the ass. Only time i would have been able to have fun with a stick version would be around 2 am on highways.
As for my thoughts on the miata nd.
I love the car, so much fun to be had on it. Automatic has some paddle shifters that do a decent job of letting me shift when i get the urge too.