What is the best car brand GM killed off?

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Oldsmobile.

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Saturn

Holden

>asking me to choose between Pontiac and Oldsmobile

Consider the following:

Holden will still exist dumbass. Albeit as a rebadge only

Yeah but who's going to buy a front wheel drive rebadged Kia or US cast-off shitbox?
I sure as hell wouldn't!

M8, you're gonna buy it anyways so you might as well quit bitching about it

Pontiac.
>tfw i'll never own a f Body because europoor

Like fuck I will, I've grey imported since the late 90s and also owned the odd Holden here and there.
There's no way I'm gunna drive a Kia or Chevy shitbox.

You might as well get over the fact that the commo platform is dead, it was heavy and couldn't handle for shit, hopefully they make a new one out of a platform like the Alpha and it'll be better than the shit older ones

The new Buick is kind of cool, if we get the V6 AWD one I'd give it a look in, aside from that there's not a lot on offer.

SAAB

HUMMUH

I miss my oldsmobile.
I also miss my pontiac, but not to the degree that I miss my oldsmobile.

oldsmobile or pontiac, i can't decide maybe even hummer

I always wonder what Saturn Olds and Pontiac would have made if they
1. Never died
2. Weren't just used to rebadge chevys
It sucks. I miss them

Which Buick has an AWD V6 trim?

Unironically this
>hummuh dies
>raptor out of nowhere

LaCrosse

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>lolz Saturn

Saturn was doomed from the start when the very incompetent former CEO Roger Smith decided to launch the marquee.

The 2016 is so ugly compared to the 2017

WTF, I love Buick now

Pontiac was treated as the bastard stepchild ever since John Delorean left GM

Buick is still around, shit for brains

He was replying to the person who asked which buick had AWD

My apologies

See

hummer was shit since it became a GM brand.

the H1 was still designed and made by AMG

Oldsmobile

Because it's not our fault GM got lazy

>I miss the Aurora engine

I miss the Aurora ;_;7

Honestly. Oldsmobile had some great cars at the end. Nothing heartstopping or jaw dropping, but just neat, /fun/ little sedans and whatnot. RIP

Wasn't the Quad 4 and Oldsmobile design? If it wasn't for Oldsmobile, the Ecotec wouldn't be as good as it is

It was indeed designed by Olds. It was used in quite a few GM cars until 2002 i think. I can only imagine what Oldsmobile would have done for GM if they never phased oldsmobile out.

I blame Rick Waggoner.

*****FUN FACT*****

You know he is the only CEO of a Fortune 100 company to have been fired by the President of the United States?

>forced GM into bankruptcy so badly the fucking US government fired him from his own job
Holy moly I didn't even know that happened. G fucking G dude. You go

Saturn ftw

no best brand
just all the corvette infighters that were aborted and or stillborn

I'm pretty sure the Aurora just had a version of the Northstar in it.

The Aurora had a version of the Northstar engine in it.

FYI I'm the guy who wrote "I miss the Aurora engine". What I wanted to say was "I miss the engine in the Aurora".

My bad

Wasn't it just a destroked N*? On overbore North star is reason enough to miss it

the GT-R

Pontiac

What the fuck is up with all the contrarians and retards ITT saying anything other than based Pontiac. Olds were just cheaper Buicks which were Chevys with slightly more options and more tacked on fake plastic chrome and wood. Saturn only had boring as fuck econoboxes (save for the Sky). And who gives a fuck about Saab or Hummer

oh and btw, GMC is completely useless and they should have kept Pontiac instead

Where are all the Geo posters at?

Pontiac
>tfw no LQ1 Fiero

>tfw pontiac thread

my '99 LS1 Firebird Formula Trans Am

>geo

you mean rebadged Suzuki/Toyota

>I know this feel
I want an LQ1 Fiero

i just want a Fiero GT with the 2.8 60 degree v6

>to dd with my ls1 fbody

Saturn shitboxes are what GM needed to fill the Honda civic/corolla hole in their lineup that they were never able to fill and made them bleed money in a "death by a million paper cuts" way. if they had those kinds of reliable cheap and simple cars they could've kept them around under the Saturn brand making more reliable econoboxes until people saw saturn as a very quality and cheaper alternative of a Toyota. it might be too late to bring Saturn back but i do wish GM had kept the philosophy they used to make those very well-built SL1s.

I also feel like Pontiac should've been the BMW fighter instead of Cadillac. Pontiac when John Delorean was running it had some pretty advanced technology that not even the Corvette had as well as some very premium interiors (can't remember the exact name of the car). They could've been marketed as the semi-luxury sport brand that sells fast premium two and four door cars in the BMW M3/Z4 price-bracket leaving Cadillac to focus only on 1-upping Mercedes.

>yfw you realize GM continuously ruin and kill all the good ones and only keep the bad ones

The LQ1 is a 200 HP 3.4L DOHC variant. It drops right in using the 2.8L mounts and 2.8L transmission.

>Olds were just cheaper Buicks which were Chevys with slightly more options and more tacked on fake plastic chrome and wood.
Which is also all GM's fault. Back before the mandated shared components for all subdivisions they all had distinctive models, engines and engineering solutions. Only starting with the malaise era did you buy the same car with different sheet metal and trim from different brands.

Which Ecotec are you talking about. Maybe the old Ecotec, but the current Ecotec l850 has nothing to do with old one. Its 50% Saab and Open/GM

Certainly the most interesting car brand killed by GM, but I think the best might be Pontiac if you look at all the brands over the corse of their lifetime.

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Would the 5.3 from the Grand Prix GXP fit? I mean, probably not in terms of packaging (without modification anyway), but does it use the same motor mounts, etc?

I liked SAAB, but they were absolutely gutted by the GM takeover. Pre-GM SAAB was pretty cool though.

>And who gives a fuck about Saab
Without Saabs engine management and turbocharging expertise GM would have had a very rough time at the turn of the century.

yes. It's been done before. It's more work to fit though. The 3.4 is a drop in.

>Pontiac should've been the BMW fighter
Pls no
Pontiac was supposed to be cheap fun. Not crammed full of useless weight.

IKTF

Which explains why its terrible

>nobody mentions quadrasteer
I mean, I know it's not a brand, but it was a badass feature on their trucks and Suburbans and a lot of people never new it existed.

For sure. SAAB was ahead of their time in the turbocharging game, which is why it's so disappointing they weren't allowed to continue to innovate after their buyout.

I thought it was cool, but it was a $6000 option and a lot of places will tell you to go fuck yourself rather than repair one.

>a lot of people never knew

Its possible GMs marketing department didn't know either. It was told but the technology went over their heads in favor of the "oh-just-look-at-our-Star Trek-by-Fischer Price interiors"

Clumsy jackasses

Looks like I have a new project car fantasy...

Go get a Fiero, and get a junkyard 5.3 to drop in it!

More like Quadrabreak.

I hear ya. I can't help but want to pick one up. I think you just have to value the feature enough to be willing to find a guy that can work on it and throw money at the problem if something breaks on it. At least all quadrasteers came with 1 ton rear axles, although it would be some of the other moving parts in the rear end that would be more likely to break. Or enough mechanic know how and a place to fab parts if you are brave enough to do it yourself.

Yea, I kinda wish it had taken off. From my reading about them, it sounds like some dealerships never even knew they existed.

5.7s have been dropped into Fieros for a while now, but the cheaper route for more power would be to drop in a L67, it's a common swap and can make them fast as fuck and be reliable and get good mpgees

Opel by far.

Pontiac because they were interested in doing more than just giant ugly bricks that appealed to inbred redneck manchildren.

The problem is L67 swaps all sound like ass. There is nothing you can do to make a 3800 sound decent, let alone good.

Opel is still around dipshit.

>5.7s have been dropped into Fieros for a while now
This.
Here's one with a Chevy ZZ4 350 crate engine.
>pic taken from my local craigslist a month ago.

GM never liked to invest money and money into real technology. They were told by Uncle Sam to develop the Volt.

All they are interested in is developing engines and then wrapping a thin veneer of shitty plastic and thin sheet metal around it.

>They were told by Uncle Sam to develop the Volt.
No they weren't. The Obama administration actually told GM to kill off the Volt project because there was no way for it to make a profit until a second generation. GM fought to keep that development going because they thought the project was important. You forget the Volt project started in 2006, long before the Obama administration came along.

Not after 2006.

>told them to kill off the Volt

Wrong.

Actually President Bush pushed for GM to develop the Volt (as a part of his Energy Independence Initiative) until he was sidetracked by the Wall Street "mini crash" during the last quarter of 2008.

President Obama simply did what Bush wanted to do and told GM to pursue the development and the marketing of the Volt.

>you will never live in the timeline where Pontiac survived and there's a modern not-ugly-as-sin-aftermarket Firebird running on the Zeta platform
>where Oldsmobile survived and there's a modern Cutlass/442 beating the everloving shit out of the Hellcat twins, Hurst shifter non-optional

The Quad-4 was supposed to go in the second generation Fiero, too, until GM shitcanned that. Just imagine that, huh?

> I can only imagine what Oldsmobile would have done for GM if they never phased oldsmobile out.
Probably made a whole bunch of cool shit they didn't get to use themselves while it was given to the Corvette, like they did for the first ninety years.

It was a smaller Northstar, yeah. I think it came out to something like 4.0L?

Second generation Auroras also had a V6 option called the Shortstar, which was the same miniature Northstar with two cylinders chopped off the end. Cool little engine, it was in the Intrigues, too.

>Olds were just cheaper Buicks which were Chevys with slightly more options and more tacked on fake plastic chrome and wood.
Oldsmobile was literally one of the most innovative car manufacturers- not just American manufacturers- of all time. As the saying goes, Olds is where you went when you wanted to make something cool and Chevy wouldn't let you.

Quadrajet? Olds did it. Turbocharged engines? Olds did it. First front-wheel-drive American car in half a century? Olds did it. Then they stuck a 455 V8 into it and set a new hill climb record at Pikes Peak. First high compression V8 specifically marketed for hot rodding and the creation of the muscle car itself? Olds did it. First assembly line produced car period? Yeah, Olds did it.

braise rocket :-DD

>There's a new Fiero co-developed with Lotus

You mean OFFICIALLY co-developed with Lotus, not "99% rumored to have the suspension designed by Lotus but Pontiac can't officially say so because GM would get huttburt"?

yes. Engine options in the 2016 model are the 2.5L 200 HP Ecotec, the 2.0L 270 HP Ecotec turbo, or the 330 HP 3.6L V6

I had an Oldsmobile aurora with the 4.0 v8, it needed a SC from the factory and rwd.

It was slow and guzzled more gas then my v8 firebird. The best I remember getting was 17.9 on a road trip. Usually 14 or so in town.

The 4.0 made 250hp and 250tq, which was OK but the 3.8 supercharged sixes of the same time period made better then that. Seen some YouTube videos where they had andftermarket work done to them and they sounded ok, but never did anything to mine, aforementioned firebird filled that slot.

I liked cruising in it but wasn't sad to see it leave.

6000 STE was a sweet ride.

>President Obama simply did what Bush wanted to do and told GM to pursue the development and the marketing of the Volt.
And then the Stealershits promptly took a dump all over that effort by trying to hide the fucking thing whenever they could because you can't turn service profits on a vehicle without a fucking engine to service.

>tires
>brakes once in a blue moon because regenerative braking
>battery pack after 8 years
And thats it