Will an electric car ever handle like its petrol cousin on the track?

In the near future Veeky Forums can expect
>"Electric Car General" /ECG/
>"Model 3 General" /M3G/ or /MTG/
>etc

Golf GTE - 90% of the GTI ; 95 mpg real consumption
Volvo XC90 - 2litre hybrid - 400 bhp
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV - 65 mpg real life consumption
BMW i8 - supercars go hybrid

What a time to be alive !

Not for regular streetcars, thanks to battery energy density.

Only exception are extremely lightweight cars, where driveline weight for an AWD ICE setup would exceed battery + motor weight. An example of this are Formula student cars.

If Tesla just remade the Roadster using a new 510 hp engine, they'd get all the money. Why not slap the entire P90D drivetrain in there, anyways?

>Golf GTE - 90% of the GTI ; 95 mpg real consumption
90% of the GTI? Nope. A GTI weighs ~1350kg, a GTE weighs 1520. A GTE has 205 hp, a GTI has 220. That's 12% more weight, 7% less horsepower, which makes for 83% of the power to weight ratio. It's literally only 83% of the GTI in a straight line, a lot heavier (which hurts in the turns), and only about half the fun.

95 MPG? Hell no.
autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/92768/long-term-test-review-vw-golf-gte
>43 Imp MPG = 36 US MPG
autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/golf-gte/mpg
>44 Imp MPG = 37 MPG on the ICE
>60 Imp MPG = 50 MPG combined

>Volvo XC90 - 2litre hybrid - 400 bhp
You need those 400hp to move 2300kg of very, very big SUV. Having driven both the entry level diesel and the T8, the diesel was slow and comfy, and the T8 was swift and comfy.

>Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV - 65 mpg real life consumption
How about 36 MPG?
fuelly.com/car/mitsubishi/outlander/2014/cookiephev /323988

Funny story: Outlander PHEV's in the Netherlands were so increadibly heavily subsidised that the Netherlands accounted for a quarter of all sales globally - 39% at it's peak. The subsidies ar egone now, and sales out the PHEv have dropped from 3700 in december 2015 to less than 400 this month.

autozine.nl/overzicht/autoverkopen.php?mok=1812
Look at those sales drop in december 2013 and 2015, when two different kinds of subsidies stopped.

>BMW i8 - supercars go hybrid
362hp is not a supercar. The BMW i8 is simply an experimental hybrid sportscars, that is used to develop BMW's hybrids systems and expand their carbon fibre production. A beautiful, exotic sportscar, but not a supercar - it simply lacks the performance.

no because most small manufacturers can't into vehicle dynamics

I think he meant miles-per-halfgallon

Nobody is actually this oblivious to what their car is capable of.

When will battery storage tech and charging catch up to petrol?

Only thing seems to be holding it back is weight, charge time and capacity.

I suspect he might've been using imperial instead of US mpg, but that would still leave a big discrepancy.

>Nobody is actually this oblivious to what their car is capable of.
Some people actually think factory ratings are indicative of real life fuel consumption. Some people actually think their 200hp shitbox makes 200hp at every single RPM. Some people think driving aid = self driving.

Never underestimate the stupidity of an uninformed consumer.

>When will battery storage tech and charging catch up to petrol?
Around the time hydrogen gets a substantial market share, which leaves a fight between electric and hydrogen, with petrol/diesel ICE's going to thirld world countries and collectors.

so in 10-50 years?

mad i dont care

Maybe? Nobody knows.

Problem with both electric and hydrogen is, we would need a massive overhaul for our electric supply to deal with a 90-90% electric car park. We'd need to go full nuclear. Renewable at that scale isn't possible yet (and prohibitively expensive for any economy to carry), and fossil fuels would completely negate the environmental gain (although consumers don't care about that). Fusion is still quite a few years away.

Given the lack of energy to power electric or hydrogen cars, advancement is relatively slow. We don't have widescale adoptation yet, and won't have for quite a few years. First, we need autonomous driving, which massively reduces both road congestion and energy consumption needed for driving, so it's logical that manufacturers are focusing there now. Basically, without a valid energy supply, manufacturers might as well look into autonomous driving now, and postpone alternative propulsion a bit later (while doing research at a slower pace, of course).

It's just a traction control button and light batteries or it could be like electric sls that had 4 engines

Not unless they make an affordable enthusiast EV

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batteries will only get lighter and smaller, electric motors have extremely high energy efficiency and you can get a LOT of power out of very small (and thus light) motors

batteries are the only thing holding them back

and don't worry about gas cars getting banned any time within the next 50 or possibly even 100 years

i mean damn, you can register a model T and drive it around just fine with special licensing, and people don't scoff at it, they think it's really awesome that someone cared for that model T for a full century

replace all the shitboxes and crossovers with EVs and enthusiasts can be at peace

No question, it's just a matter of time.
Most of the weight in EVs come from batteries which line the bottom of the car. This creates a lower center of gravity than ICE. Handling is a function of weight, distribution, chassis and suspension. As battery tech improves EVs will have a fundamental advantage. Electric cars are already vastly cheaper to operate. Once the apex of performance crests ICE, and battery capacity matches a tank of gas, there will be no need for engines anymore.

>there will be no need for engines anymore.

What did he mean by this?

Humanity will disapear in a nuclear war

>What did he mean by this?
electric motors aren't engines

Im sure they would sell the electricity for atleast double what it costs otherwise.

what car is that in the OP? it's one of the few designs that looks pretty nice nowadays,

youtube.com/watch?v=eT7KKxoAvvk
there it is