What cars have the worst suspension?

Probably blown struts and not the intended design.

American cars.

they are nicer than the expedition
also what fucking strut? it has leaf springs

It has struts for dampening.

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those are called shock absorbers you moron

Shock absorber is a more general term isn't it? A strut is a shock absorber filled with gas designed to dampen the movement of the suspension, basically how fast/slow it is. The spring determines how stiff the suspension is.

>superior

>fake laptimes

kek

a strut is specifically the shock/spring combo

you can have a spring or a shock but a strut is literally both in one package

>Implying its the same old leaf spring and not a transverse composite leaf spring.

Struts are dampers/shock absorbers that are used for locating the wheel. Nearly all struts are dampers, but many shock absorbers aren't used for location, such as in double wishbone or multilink suspension.

but the real question is whether you can have the same sort of progression as you can get from a spring. a lot of springs have different rates throughout the same spring to allow for different levels of compression depending on the circumstances

afaik a leaf can't do this without giving up integrity

Leaf springs naturally stack up in spring rate as they're loaded. That's part of why they're used so often in trucks.

>p-pls belive GM coirporate lies!!!

top cuck

but the corvette only has one, not a stack like a pick-up

so obviously it must be inferior to any progressive spring

It's not the stacking that makes it progressive, it's the physics of leaf springs. The distance between the mounts changes as it moves through its travel and that causes the spring rate to stack up.

Swing axle anything.

>try to get hektik
>outside wheel goes under car

Progressive spring is not necessarily good, because it has the effect of overall lifting the car when it rolls and pitches though.

no user, american cars a shit

Swing axle is not to blame, how you implement it is, and the triumph arrangement wasn't good. Mark IV's did a decent improvement of it, but the french showed how it was done, with a rear engine and rear wheel drive:

youtube.com/watch?v=20uayE1aJaM

A cop I talked to said its a huge issue in the chargers.

I have the same exact car and that could not be more wrong. Unless I've been lucky..

Ever been in a GLK, shit's like a canoe.

>Implying any of this has any actual relevance to real world driving experience/maintenance.

progressive springs' only purpose for roadcars are increased comfort. They're implemented when the car is too heavy (or the budget too small) to give good results without in-depth custom damper tuning.

linear springs give predictable handling.

stacked leaf springs are naturally progressive. non-stacked can be whatever. the metal doesn't fucking know what shape it's in; a spring is a spring.

all springs change rate as they compress, baby.

>what memers are calling "leaf sprung" is actually double wishbone

kek

this is possibly the most comfortable one-ton truck ever made

they're made to tow like 12000lbs. of course its fucking stiff

>struts
kek

Look at the camber

Wait, how does that have no positive camber at full droop? Arent those GT4s McPherson strut up front?

Nevermind I'm retarded

are you fucking stupid
no matter how good your suspension is as long as its a mono suspension your fucking shit

Citröens with hydropneumatic suspension - world class when its working, church pew when not

>struts

Nigga trucks have shock, spring and arms.

A strut is a combination of a spring coiled over a shock and it serves as a suspension member.

Trucks use springs and shocks

Sports cars use double wishbones and coil-over-shox

Garbage econobox hatches and bmws use mc pherson struts.

I know someone who's had to tear his entire car apart to fix the hydropneumatics.

It just needs the right care though, it's not inherently unreliable.

Everything needs the right care, but then there is the question of how much you're willing to put into an old car, and its shit that you have to scrap it due to something like that when everything else might be fine

Also shit is that it runs on the same pump/system as the servo steering, so that when one goes the other says goodbye aswell

but it doesn't cost that much unless you do something retarded, like fitting the wrong fluid or clog the filters, it costs about the same as keeping conventional dampers in good condition.

End thineself

>ywn drive this well
why live

>Also shit is that it runs on the same pump/system as the servo steering, so that when one goes the other says goodbye aswell
Not on the Xantia II

>I know people that actually get seasick in old American cars
That's because old American cars weren't designed to be driven by pussies

Ford mustang is pretty shit tier... last car was a 5.slow

nice damage control burger

Transverse compositie leaf springs combine sway bar and spring into one unit, while reducing overall suspension height. On modern cars, it's ideal - and it's literally decades removed from "modern" coil springs (which actually predate metal multileaf springs).

Only downsides are lack of tunability (useless on track cars) and GM design. Volvo transverse leaf springs (like in the new 90's) are pretty much great, offering a great, planted ride while offering more interior volume - which can then be used to house the hybrid batteries instead of simply lowering passenger volume.

You're thinking of coil overs, in which a coil spring sits over a gas strut (which functions as a shock absorber).

Gas struts can also be used to prop up the hood or trunk of a car. They don't perform spring duty

PT cruiser

You could make it thicker in the middle and thinner on the outside, that would make it progressive. Composite single leaf springs also have the advantage of functioning as a sway bar, and having lower overall height.

Progressive springs aren't always better, but they can be used to meet both comfort and handling goals in a production street car.

>Solid rear axle
There's your problem.

>Based on the Neon, which did amazingly well in ACCA or Auto X (can't remember which)
Explain yourself.

As much as i like the em2 and rsx they eat rear linkages.
>Inb4 user mentions the front being MacPherson suspension
At least its reliable.

Every Toyota ever produced.